What is Karl Rove?

[porphyrian]

Poll question: What is Karl Rove?

In our current climate of deception and paranoia, it is often difficult to discern the truth. In politics, it is almost always so. Given this, and the media's apparent inability to ask the question, what exactly is Karl Rove?

[Placebo]

1. A, B, D, & E

:patriot:

[shadowknows69]

2. you forgot F

arch-devil from the 3rd level of hell.

[porphyrian]

4. It's not that I forgot...

...it's just that happened to be a bit of disinformation he let leak to the press to help improve his image. He actually just ate dinner alone in the booth next to the arch-devil at Denny's after he was stood up one night. Shortly thereafter, they cancelled their "Moons Over Mi-hammy"(sp?).

[shadowknows69]

5. LOL

nice. :evilfrown:

[applegrove]

3. A creep who gets off deminishing the lives of others and needs that

fix every day.

[porphyrian]

9. If you can't elevate yourself on your own merit...

...tear down everyone around you. Nothing a good Christian conservative wouldn't practice, I'm sure.

[applegrove]

13. I think it is more pathological than that with Rove. I think he has been

in a frenzy of powerlust for most of his life. I think he personally enjoys it when he can ruin and mar and diminish the lives of the 'fancy pants liberals'. The more he hangs around..the more the GOP supporters as a group reflect his characteristics. They are shallow, they like to target, they enjoy tricking people they consider naive and not as great as them, and the only thing that is of value is $$$ or possessions.

The real leader in the WH is morphing the whole country into a thing that fulfills & mirrors his own endlessly empty ego. People don't trust elections? That is fine for Rove. That pays off big time in wedges amongst dems and in pain for his enemies in the form of fear & anger that the American democracy is being played with. He loves stuff like that. Look to Rove to do anything but legislate transparency in elections. It is far too enjoyable for him to see people suffer endlessly to give up a toy like the democracy called America.

[porphyrian]

14. I think this all started before Rove...

The entire Reagan presidency was a promotion of these same ideals; materialism with religious pretense, a sort of self-righteous selfishness. I'm not sure what Rove was like back then, but he may even be a product of that time, to some degree. Homelessness went way up as the rich convinced these conservative dumbasses to help them destroy the middle class and punish the poor, all under the facade of good Christian values and John Wayne black hat/white hat binary simplicity. What we have today isn't new, it's a more successful sequel. I just can't believe how many people are stupid and gullible enough to buy it. Personally, I hate all the fucking traitors.

[applegrove]

15. People like Rove thrive in the environment of "no empathy". They

rise to the top. Yes the anger at having to be connected in any way to the masses in the middle class, or the poor, or the blacks, through taxes is an elite thing. But not a universal thing amongst the rich. Just those who have character flaws and are empty. It is also a narcissistic thing. The elites & the GOP get the leaders they rewarded. And liars and winner takes all & make sure it is at the expense of others mentality that started up those think tanks, are as old as the hills. Anything to keep from having the needs of the people and democracy shoved down their throats.

What does it take for a rich family like the Coors to be so rich and yet to constantly back & fund evil? The same nefarious characters as the political operatives who have - covetous and selfish and adolescent and empty - they just didn't have the talent on their own to bring it to bear. So they built up a machine of like thinking ones. And decided they alone should decide exactly how the people in America should live..in every way.

And empty and struggling mired in hatred - they were putty in the hands of neocons and the Utopia. All their needs met 'just so'. Nothing to give up or 'go without' while America is at war.

Neocons are not free-marketeers. If they were they would not cry like babies every time some Oil rich country makes a deal with China.

It is just a coalition of the people who live their lives in baser instincts mode. Because they are not capable of anything else. Personality disorders & sociopathy all over the place. And using their money to get others to drink the kool-aid or vote against their own best interests.

Too bad the greatest country in the world seeded the bed for such patsyism by building in the American Creation Myth into school kids. Americans are often ignorant about the rest of the world. And that makes many of them stupid & easily led. And this group in power just wants to double-time that. And make Americans even stupider & colder than ever before. When you see freepers on the boards..some of them buy the whole thing hook, line & sinker. Some of them know the whole gay thing is a big lie. And they enjoy manipulating the others. Karl Rove is the leader of the ones who enjoy 'taking candy from a baby'. The followers of the manipulators be they Red Staters with middle class incomes or the empty elite..struggling to scapegoat others for their own lack of character because America could have gone into this lastest century as the leader of the free world. Instead they are nothing but liars and bullies & hypocrites who have proven to be incompetent. Just like the Russian peasants woke up when Rasputin was all over the Tsarina and said: "you know I'm not that empty or stupid or needy - why the hell do the tsars have so much power - I can make better decisions than that" (and then foolishly tried Utopia instead of liberal democracy along with many other fools around the world at the time - Utopias had not been proven to be impossible) all the countries in the world are waking up and saying "my ass!" "don't you bully me". "I better divest of the USA they are loosing it". "No deal is worth ignoring science" "stay away from them - they don't play fair" "why the hell can't I come up with my own solutions and demand them".

The whole magic of democracies that work are that it isn't an empire for more than 10 (15 years at the worst) in any country. The brightest of every generation roll over the generation before. Ideas are fluid and the science of governing more and more efficient. These neocons & the 20 year GOP empire Rove wants...well they are one trick ponies and stand for nothing actually. No government. Attack anyone who would get in the way of profit. That isn't actually the mentality of the vast majority of the people of the world. They don't buy it - they wont buy it and America will become the land of thinking of one mind. While everyone else will try new things and old things and not ignore all the things that work & don't happen to give the corporations & the right wing elections. This WH is throwing out half the tools. More than throwing..it seems the first thing neocons do when they get into power is make sure the government deficit is as high as possible as quickly as possible. And governments around the world are wise to this and will not fall for the baiting & wedging the USA fell for.

Remember - nobody fell for communism after a time. Everyone learnt from the Russian example. And unless you had a country with elite rule or crimes against people on behalf of the right wing...communism had no traction. The same here. Nobody will fall for neooconsism. Except for the ones with the personality disorders. As they are today attacted to the covetous nature of the Bush WH & the political theory. And that just plane makes for bad advertising as their exploits, flash, lies, hypocrisy & bad personal behaviour continue to make the news.

And these sad character types are by far the minority in the world. They perhaps covet power more than your average person. But nothing makes an average, empathetic, leadership type more political than constant lies, hypocrisy & incompetence in their name.

[porphyrian]

17. Isn't it incredible...?

What I have a hard time wrapping my mind around is just how many Americans ARE suckered-in by the lies. They aren't all just stupid rednecks, either. This causes the problem of presenting the stupid with an "authority" to believe, thus reinforcing the ruse. Reflexively, the more intelligent duped "authority" believes he/she must be on to something, because of all the people who believe as they do.

Is it a necessary result of a capitalist consumer culture that the power of businesses exceeds the power of the citizenry, bringing us another step closer to fascism, or is this merely a coincidental effect of corporations simultaneously turning everything into a commodity and manipulating us into consuming it, whether it be a burger or a soundbite? After all, a good consumer doesn't believes what he or she is told 4 out of 5 doctors recommend is what they should buy, they don't start asking questions about those doctors (after all, they are "authorities").

Almost everything on television today is actually a complex commercial. Take any talk show. On it, various celebrities come on and talk about nothing for a while, hopefully in some entertaining manner. They are always pushing their new show/book/movie, with the exception of the times that they are filling in for someone who cancelled. Thus, the talk show is merely a medium for conveying advertising to the viewer (like a Trojan horse). The talk show is an advertisement for the celebrity, who is advertising whatever product they are/were recently part of. So, a commercial for one of those talk shows is actually a commercial for a commercial for a commercial. After years of this, I suppose it's no surprise that corporate media, which has become nothing more than an advertisement for the conservative values of its owners, hold so many in its sway, especially given that many are still alive that remember when the media had some integrity.

Which leads me my next thought, that corporations don't operate in a vacuum. Each one is directed by a person or board of people. It is apparent, by the actions of many corporations (corporate media, most importantly) that these people quite often subscribe to this Rovian sociopathy. It is parasitism at its worst as it uses up peoples' lives for the profits of a few without any regard for the consequences.

I guess my point, if I can salvage one from this rambling, is that I really fucking hate the traitorous pieces of shit.

[Democrats_win]

22. I really think that neocons just hate most people.

They enjoy the harm they're creating. Harm that really isn't benefitting them. Their rich masters such as Coors are benefitting and laughing at the hicks, but they themselves can't vote bs into office so they get the people who hate people to vote against people who love people.

Hey, we love Streisand: People, people who need people are the luckiest people....

Of course they hate her!

Call it schadenfreude if you wish. Of course some might say we're engaging in that too in this thread, but not really. We just want Rove to get what's coming to him. Some of our fellow Americans have lost their lives because of his lies. The poles show that most Americans are seeing this. Hey, who doesn't love people?

[applegrove]

23. If corporations & elites do not have control over the tools of regulation,

then corporations are encouraged to be good citizens. The problem is the leaders and the cook-aid.

[Ksec]

6. a fat , manipulative piece of rotten putrid diseased cancerous lump

of corrupt lying shit stained crotch stank.

[shadowknows69]

7. let it out

say what you really feel, don't use euphemisms.

[FrenchieCat]

8. A big mouth filthy piece of shit!

And I'm being nice!

[lonestarnot]

10. A potbellied lie oozin puss that destroys lives.

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[Swamp Rat]

11. ChumP! >:-D

:D

[lonestarnot]

12. ewww swampy this one is goooooooood!

[Zorra]

16. Rove is a conscienceless, immoral, unethical creature that would

commit ANY rotten deed, no matter how heinous, in order to end democracy in the US forever.

May 27, 2002

Paul Wellstone is a hunted man. Minnesota's senior senator is not just another Democrat on White House political czar Karl Rove's target list, in an election year when the Senate balance of power could be decided by the voters of a single state. Rather, getting rid of Wellstone is a passion for Rove, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush and the special-interest lobbies that fund the most sophisticated political operation ever assembled by a presidential administration. "There are people in the White House who wake up in the morning thinking about how they will defeat Paul Wellstone," a senior Republican aide confides. "This one is political and personal for them."

"This race is going to be a case study of whether you can maintain liberal, progressive positions and win in this country in 2002," says Wellstone as he campaigns among Laotian immigrants on a sunny spring morning in St. Paul. "We're not running a race that asks people to vote for me because, as a Democrat, I will be a little more compassionate, a little better for working families and children and immigrants, than a Republican. We want to draw the lines of distinction. I'm saying that there is a big difference between the America the conservatives want and the America I want." He adds, "I don't want this to be just about me. This race has to be about basic questions of whether liberals and progressives can flourish in national politics. That means there is a lot more on the line than whether Paul Wellstone wins or loses."

Wellstone is right. His race is being read as a measure of the potency of progressive politics in America. If he wins, a blow will be struck not just against the Bush machine but against those in the Democratic Party who argue for tepid moderation. With Senate majority leader Tom Daschle and House minority leader Dick Gephardt still struggling to identify the themes on which Democrats will stake their claim for control of Congress later this year, Wellstone is refreshingly different--he knows where he stands and he stands there proudly. For years, progressives have argued that Democrats will win big only when they distinguish themselves from Republicans on fundamental economic and social justice issues. Here is Wellstone--arguably the most prominent elected progressive in the country--doing just that.
snip----
Now, Rove is gambling presidential prestige and Republican dollars on the prospect that the upper Midwest is the key to taking back a Senate that went Democratic last spring after Vermont Senator Jim Jeffords exited the GOP. "Midwestern voters don't feel the connection with the Democrats that they once did," crows Rove. To that end, Wellstone, South Dakota's Tim Johnson and Iowa's Tom Harkin, all up for re-election, are getting what GOP insiders call "the Rove treatment": recruitment of high-profile Republican challengers, major-league fundraising assistance and regular presidential visits. All other things being equal, picking off either Johnson or Harkin would be enough to split the Senate 50-50 and again allow Vice President Cheney to break partisan ties. But beating Wellstone would be the sweetest win. "They have made it very clear that if they could beat one Democrat this year, it would be Paul Wellstone," says Minnesota political consultant Richman. "Paul gets under their skin."

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0510-04.htm

[MsConduct]

18. All of the above except for the 'kind ,misunderstood' part. He's

A BIG, FAT BOIL ON THE ASS OF LIFE. :D

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

19. On the show American Dad, they portrayed him as being a mix between

Satan, Darth Vader and the Grim Reaper. Very intuitive on the writers parts.

[Vektor]

20. All of the above, and let's not forget "maggot."

A total slithering maggot, feasting on the carrion of our dead soldiers, and shitting out talking points.

Rove is a sick, sick, man.

[Spock_is_Skeptical]

21. All of 'em, except the "kind, misunderstood Repuke" one.