Bush granted clemency to H. L. Lucas... killed C. F. Tucker.

[Flubadubya]

At first I was shocked while watching a documentary on serial killers yesterday, to learn that G.W. Bush (while Gov. of Texas) had granted clemency to Henry Lee Lucas (most heinous and brutal of serial killers). My thoughts then turned immediately to Carla Faye Tucker (who apparenty had remorse and turned her life around) and whose request for clemency he mocked disgracefully and killed her anyway.

I say I was shocked at first simply because of the moral chasm that this dichotomy in behaviors presented to my mind, but, on second thought, I just realized... "Well, that's George W. Bush." Still really, really scary though. Here's an interesting piece about it:

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/03/henry-portrait-of-bush-supporter.html

Henry: Portrait of a Bush Supporter

Although he said he was anguished by the decision, in an interview in Talk magazine, writer Tucker Carlson described Bush mimicking the woman's final plea for her life. "'Please,' Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, 'don't kill me.'" - Time Magazine

The man who mocked Karla Faye Tucker sure picked his moments.

As Governor of Texas, George W Bush notched 152 - count -em! - confirmed kills. A personal best, until 9/11. His giddy impression of Tucker (#58) even got under the skin of scary Republican presidential candidate Gary Bauer, who said "I think it is nothing short of unbelievable that the governor of a major state running for president thought it was acceptable to mock a woman he decided to put to death."

Bush did not care if the condemned were mentally ill or had been a juvenile offender. He did not hesitate to execute Betty Lou Beets, a great-grandmother convicted of killing her chronically abusive partner. ("What my husband started, Texas will finish," she said.) There was no exception to Bush's repeated position that "he would only consider granting clemency in cases of actual innocence or where the courts have failed to provide a thorough review on appeal."

Well, one teeny exception: Henry Lee Lucas. (More)...

[Swamp Rat]

1. Just back-scratchin'

:puke:

[NewJeffCT]

2. I guess the message is...

support Bush or die? I think Cheney said something along those lines prior to the election last year, too.

[madrchsod]

3. either henry conned bush

or bush admired him. to think this person is now the most powerful person in the world is truly frighting.

[Flubadubya]

4. I think it is the latter, most likely...

In Bush's psyche, I believe he has a true "killer instinct" just like Lucas, despite the fact that he claims to be a "born again Christian". So was Carla Faye Tucker, but that didn't cut any ice with Bush,whereas something in the nature and behavior of Lucas got Bush's "sympathy".

I think it speaks volumes about the REAL George W. Bush! He's a really sick PSYCHO... just as your image depicts there Swamprat, that's perfect.

[Hubert Flottz]

6. A serial killer starts out wanting to commit the perfect crime...

How many people did BeelzeBush get away with killing in Texas and then went on to be s-elected pResident! I'll bet Damie...errr...Dumbya has the big O every time he thinks about the people he's offed and gotten away with!

[Hubert Flottz]

5. If that story is true, then Bush is one more super sick puppy!

Demons of a feather?

Junior started out as a child, blowing little Texas frogs to pieces with firecrackers. Jeffrey Dahmer started out killing the neighbors dogs in Ohio and hacking them into pieces, to see what made them tick.(no pun intended)

I wonder if that's really "God", that Bush "HEARS" talking to him and telling him to invade other countries and kill all those poor people, or if it's the same voice that directed the hands of serial killers like the Son Of Sam, Dahmer and Mr. Lucas?

Evil begets evil.......If you believe in God, then you must believe that! Does HELL, really exist, only inside the twisted, uncaring, minds of these Evil people?

War is not only hell––it's insane.

We've seen the insanity in George W's war of lies in Iraq – WMDs that aren't there, perverted PR stunts about "Mission Accomplished," the White House effort to redefine "torture" as being okay, the transfer of "democratic power" to a handpicked Iraqi regime that isn't democratic and won't really wield power, etc.

But our own leaders are not the only ones acting insane. The tiny nation of Macedonia has now learned that its leaders also have been caught up in the hellish insanity and depravity of Bush's self-declared unlimited war on the world's "evil-doers." In an effort to curry favor with Bush, the top officials in the right-wing government of this Balkan country plotted in late 2001 to show their commitment to George's war on terror.

Macedonian police commanders were dispatched to lure seven impoverished Muslim immigrants from Pakistan into their country. Believing they were on their way to jobs in Greece, the seven immigrants were taken in a minivan to a farm outside Macedonia's capitol city. The van parked, the driver opened his door and fled, and a special terrorist unit of the police command opened fire, slaughtering all seven of the immigrants.

Shortly after the ambush, Macedonia's top government officials announced that these seven and been al Qaeda holy warriors, and that the police authorities had heroically thwarted their plan to conduct a terrorist attack on the U.S. embassy.

http://www.jimhightower.com/air/read.asp?id=11406

[Flubadubya]

7. Oh, the story is true... for sure!

On the documentary they actually played a clip of Dumbya standing behind a podium explaining why he was giving Lucas clemency. He said something about not wanting to kill a man if you can't really know he did the crime (i.e. orange socks was the particular case he was referencing). What you see for your own eyes is hard to doubt!

[Hubert Flottz]

12. I don't know why I'd doudt anything crazy I heard about W!

Just when you think you've heard it all...WHAM! I really have thought all along that Bush has a serious screw loose. What a loser!

I sent the story on to some Bushco fans, who were just telling me a couple of weeks ago, what a fine church going man Bush is and how they agree with Bush about the use of the death penalty to deter crime.

Why is it that about all the bible bangers are 100% for, the death penalty? Killing of any sort, is a major sin, of so I've heard all my life that it was!

[Flubadubya]

27. Exactly, what is it with the bible bangers?

For the life of me (no pun intended) I just don't get how they square their "culture of life" stance with their adamant adherence to the death penalty. That is just WAY too much cognitive dissonance for me to ever be able to handle. But these creep?... not a problem.

[Maine-ah]

8. here's some crazy shit. I googled Henry Lee Lucas

first link:
http://www.carpenoctem.tv/killers/lucas.html

[pitohui]

9. professional courtesy EOM

.

[moof]

10. Dang it, pitohui you got it posted first, LOL LOL

That was the first thing thought of here, after all it's the reason Lawyers can swim with sharks.

[wli]

11. this is rather unusual; how do we press the issue?

Current TV?

[Cha]

25. Yeah, send in a

copy of a documentary on it..they'd probably pass but worth a shot.

[LibertyorDeath]

13. I remember when I first read this at RI I blurted no fucking way

As someone interested in true crime I knew Henry Lee Lucas was and is one of the most heinous serial killers in recorded American history.

I couldn't believe idiot son would pardon anyone let alone such a
notorious serial killer.

Turns out it's true, the man is a complete sociopath

Here's Lucas


& his partner in homicide the mentally retarded, transvestite cannibal, Ottis Toole. Alone and with Lucas, Toole restlessly roved all over this country robbing, raping, burning and killing, attacking . Among his victims, reportedly, is son of America's Most Wanted host John Walsh's son, Adam Walsh.

Oh look and they were also artists isn't that sweet.

http://www.stephenkasner.com/lucas/






http://www.houseofhorrors.com/lucas.htm
Henry Lee Lucs: Portrait of a Serial Killer


"As Governor of Texas, George W Bush notched 152 - count -em! - confirmed kills. A personal best, until 9/11. His giddy impression of Tucker (#58) even got under the skin of scary Republican presidential candidate Gary Bauer, who said "I think it is nothing short of unbelievable that the governor of a major state running for president thought it was acceptable to mock a woman he decided to put to death."

Bush did not care if the condemned were mentally ill or had been a juvenile offender. He did not hesitate to execute Betty Lou Beets, a great-grandmother convicted of killing her chronically abusive partner. ("What my husband started, Texas will finish," she said.) There was no exception to Bush's repeated position that "he would only consider granting clemency in cases of actual innocence or where the courts have failed to provide a thorough review on appeal."

Well, one teeny exception: Henry Lee Lucas.

more
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/03/henry-portrait-of-bush-supporter.html

[Flubadubya]

16. Begs the question...

Who does GWB identify with and have more sympathy for... a) a born again Christian like himself (Carla Faye Tucker) or b) a completely unredeemed psycho-sociopathic serial killer (Henry Lee Lucas)?

I think this question has been most amply answered by Dimson's actions on each of the two cases.

[frictionlessO]

14. Oh so very happy to get this on the greatest page.

Thats your friggin' culture of life right there!

[SmokingJacket]

15. the problem is that Lucas was an obsessive confessor

He confessed to murders that happened when he was documented to be in other states; he got details wrong; he even confessed to murders that didn't happen. The texas police loved him because he so neatly cleaned up so many of their unsolved cases -- he got lots of attention and good treatment, even, according to a rumor, a strawberry milkshake every time he confessed.

I'm not excusing Bush, at all (though I'm against the death penalty) -- but I wonder if granting clemency to Lucas was just a way of keeping the death penalty legitimate. If they had executed him, and it later came out that he actually *wasn't* the serial-killer he claimed to be, it would be bad press for the Texas Criminal justice system... and probably investigations for Bush's pals.

[KittyWampus]

17. There Was Solid Evidence Of At Least THREE Murders He Committed

his mother
girl where he lead police to her graves
someones bones in an area he inhabited?

[SmokingJacket]

19. Hey, I'm not saying he was a good guy.

Just that there were probably legitimate reasons for not executing him -- as well as illegitimate reasons!

It's far from clear exactly what his crimes were.

If nothing else, it would make sense to keep him around to try and figure that out. But he died in prison, IIRC.

[jbnow]

20. You're a little right

There were questions about the murder he was sentenced to death for. But how many cases was that true for? And in most unsupported by evidence crimes given the death penalty, the prisoners were not serial killers. However many he killed the three CERTAIN ones make him a serial killer. Why would he be the sole person on death row to be given this?

From the article in the original post:

The funny-strange thing is, many of the 152 who were not fortunate enough to receive the Governor's favour also had evidence supporting their claims of innocence. But Lucas did not just receive a temporary stay while his case was reviewed, but a full clemency

[SmokingJacket]

30. Well, I despise the death penalty anyway, so I'm a bad person to ask

but he would have been more helpful alive than dead, IMHO.

[LibertyorDeath]

18. You're right about Lucas he would admit to killing people he had never met

I think he did as you say for good treatment & the attention while in prison.

This does not in anyway negate the fact that Lucas along with the even
more twisted (imo) Ottis Toole were prolific serial murderers.

Adam Walsh case

In 1983, Toole made a shocking confession. He claimed to having committed one of the most famous, unsolved crimes in recent American history, the abduction and murder of six-year-old Adam Walsh in 1981.

Walsh was abducted from a Florida Sears store, and his head was later found in a canal. The rest of his remains were never recovered.

Adam's father John became a crusader for victim's rights and was the host of America's Most Wanted.

Toole stated to many people that he had murdered Adam; he even wrote to his father and offered to show him where he buried the body for a cash reward. Toole would recant this confession, but "Lucas still firmly insists that his friend was responsible for that killing" <1>, and after Toole's death, Lucas claimed Toole had shown him Walsh's body <2>.

John Walsh, and many police officials, suspected Toole in Adam Walsh's murder.

It was later revealed that there were many mistakes the authorities made in their investigation. For example, Toole's car was impounded, and blood-soaked carpet was in the front seat. Toole had said he had cut Adam's head off with a machete in the front seat. This evidence was lost by the crime lab, and many have said that modern-day DNA detection could have easily convicted Toole. Toole also said that he had punched Adam in the face, and forensic examinations of Adam's skull revealed trauma consistent with such an injury. Toole had pointed out the exact department store where Adam had been abducted, a fact that was not made public.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottis_Toole

[rucky]

21. Meanwhile, I misplaced a decimal point on my 2000 tax return

and I'm still paying for that mistake.

How does this fucker get away with so much?

[AlCzervik]

22. I brought this up b4 and a lawyer DU're said it was out of *'s hands

legally although i've no doubt he would have pardoned him anyway. I lived in Texas when Tucker was executed and i remember so many Monday nights that the news would cut in at around 6:10pm to annouce Death row inmate # was pronounced dead at---.

[UpInArms]

23. I almost became a Lucas victim in the early 80s

- what a creepy guy - scared the shit out of me on I-40 between Amarillo and OKC.

Didn't know who he was until he got caught and I saw his picture.

When Bush pardoned him, all my anger came rushing back.

http://crimemagazine.com/lucas.htm

[Cha]

26. Jesus H.!!

The day bush gets his Karmic Return is the day Millions of People will rejoice and sing Halleluja!

[Cha]

24. It figures...this henry guy killed

his mother..and Betty Lou Beets..she killed an "abusive" husband.

Anybody that votes for bush should know what a homicidal maniac he is.

Thanks ever so much to all the bush voters who put him up as our so called leader.

He's a piece gargoyle trash.

[Straight Shooter]

28. Lucas's first kill was in Florida. How about that, what a coinky-dink.

Yes, something stinks to high heaven about the difference between Lucas and Karla Faye Tucker (I was living in Houston when that crime occurred *shudder*).

IIRC, the Board that oversaw granting clemency told bush he could either grant it, or not. It was up to bush. Why in the name of hell would bush grant clemency to Lucas and not to those such as the man whose defense counsel actually fell asleep at trial?

I wanted them to make an issue of this in the campaign. No one raised it. Compassionate conservative, my a**. bush and gonzales were up to their eyebrows in something nefarious.

[tavalon]

29. sociopaths gotta stick together n/t