Now you C it, now you don't, perhaps the cheapest form of

[HysteryDiagnosis]

preventive healthcare ignored by the mainstream... what else is new... make mine a double.

http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/page2.html

Recently published scientific studies now confirm that high-dose vitamin C taken throughout the day may dramatically reduce major health risks. But funny thing, nobody noticed. Even though the data was published in the Annals of Internal Medicine in the early months of 2004, doctors paid no attention. The news media also appears to be oblivious to the report. It should have been a major headline. But worse yet, government researchers who conducted the study failed to alert the public or the news media. Countless millions of Americans could avoid cataracts, aneurysms, gallstones, cancer and heart disease with this knowledge.

[havocmom]

1. Havocdad's theroy of health problems: Someday they will find viruses

to blame for most of them. Sure, lifestyle choices and genetics paly a part, but only in so far as they make particular people more vulnerable to particular viruses.

He may have a point.

He also laughs at doctors who pooh-pooh the notion that suplements can make a difference (his best friend is just such a doctor) but insist that the 'proper diet' will prevent many problems. "What do they think a 'proper diet' is?!?! It is the RIGHT combination of nutrients for the individual... just like the RIGH supplements can provide!" sayeth Havocdad, as he wanders to the vitamin cabinet.

Hey, 4MoronicYears, want me to whip ya up some chard patties for brunch? ;)

[HysteryDiagnosis]

3. Mmmmmmm, chard.... that isn't a singed chad, is it... lol.... I do care

for eggplant done right... but yes, the chard will do... then there's endive, kale, okra, dandelion and the rest. If you "ever" have a REAL concern. Do this for me... google your concern and glyconutrients. That is all.

[havocmom]

6. A young pal with Lupus has already got me googling glyconutrients!

Started that last summer in fact. Was tickled to see my ol pal fenegreek in there as a source for some! We keep that in capsule and seed form here where there is no real health care. Have nursed many serious cases of pneumonia and other respiratory ailments for many people with that little seed!

Yep, all we need is out there. We just have to stop believing everything Big Pharm says and do a little reading on our own. Also helps to pay attention to granny and the other old wives ;)

[HysteryDiagnosis]

7. Do you have a reason to google for them? Nothing specific

please..... however, their legacy as of today is nothing short of unreal. Google for glyconutrients stem cells for a real hoot.

[havocmom]

8. Yeah, a good pal with Lupus and my own

arthritis!

[HysteryDiagnosis]

9. Well girl... you are on the right track. Here is a link

www.glycoscience.com

[havocmom]

10. thank ye kindly!

:)

[kliljedahl]

2. You forgot Scurvy

Keith’s Barbeque Central

[HysteryDiagnosis]

4. Oh yes.... how many people have subclinical scurvy and will never

know it.... hey, check this out.... how many people are going to be told this by their docs?? Oh, wait, a good diet is all that is required... hooey.

1: Biomed Pharmacother. 2005 Aug 1; Related Articles, Links


A review on the role of antioxidants in the management of diabetes and its complications.

Rahimi R, Nikfar S, Larijani B, Abdollahi M.

Pharmaceutical Sciences Research Center, Tehran University of Medical Sciences.

Diabetes is a prevalent systemic disease affecting a significant proportion of the population worldwide. The effects of diabetes are devastating and well documented. There is increasing evidence that in certain pathologic states, especially chronic diseases, the increased production and/or ineffective scavenging of reactive oxygen species (ROS) may play a critical role. High reactivity of ROS determines chemical changes in virtually all cellular components, leading to lipid peroxidation. Production of ROS and disturbed capacity of antioxidant defense in diabetic subjects have been reported. It has been suggested that enhanced production of free radicals and oxidative stress is central event to the development of diabetic complications. This suggestion has been supported by demonstration of increased levels of indicators of oxidative stress in diabetic individuals suffering from complications. Therefore, it seems reasonable that antioxidants can play an important role in the improvement of diabetes. There are many reports on effects of antioxidants in the management of diabetes. In this paper, after complete bibliography and criticizing all relevant articles, the relationships between diabetes and oxidative stress and use of antioxidants in the management of diabetes and its complications have been well reviewed. This review well indicates that oxidative stress is involved in the pathogenesis of diabetes and its complications. Use of antioxidants reduces oxidative stress and alleviates diabetic complications.

PMID: 16081237

[havocmom]

5. Folic acid supplements are extremely cost effective & help a huge bunch

of problems for people too!

Read about folic and people with choronic insomnia long ago. Seems most are deficeint in it. Then... hm, deficeincy of folic seems common in a lot of people with chronic depression too.

Jeeze, after nearly dying from the ups and downs of psychoactive meds while the doctors play 'find the right one and the right dose', I read about folic. Figured if anybody was gonna use me as a guinne pig, it was gonna be me. The folic helped more than anything.

Sleep is good. Not fataly depressed is good. Lower blood pressure is good. And if I were in child bearing years, less likelyhood of birthd defects would be VERY good! All from a $2.95 bottle of folic supplements which lasts 2-3 months.

Yeah, I can see why Big Pharm wants Congress to put all sorts of hoops up for the supplement manufactures to jump through.

And I love my vitamin C! I love it in fruits, veggies and tablets!

And, 4MoronicYears, I love your posts about how things affect our bodies. Have read much myself, but have no where near you level of knowledge! Keep it up. Many of us really appreciate the information you bring for us to use! Many, many thanks!

[firefox]

11. I believe in Vitamin C

Most plants and animals make Vitamin C, but humans do not. The most popular alternative health website is Mercola.com. I subscribe to their email newsletter. Using the search engine at the bottom of today's email for "Vitamin C" I get these results at Mercola- http://www.google.com/custom?cof=AH%3Acenter%3BAWFID%3A5cdb2968a482194d%3B&domains=www.mercola.com&sitesearch=www.mercola.com&q=Vitamin+C&sa2=Search+Mercola.com

Linus Pauling was the researcher/doctor that made some of the biggest statements for megadoses of Vitamin C. I believe he won two Nobel Prizes, so he is not some crackpot. The fifth result above was an interview with Pauling- http://tinyurl.com/9t7t8

My favorite drink is lemonade with Stevia. Stevia is a natural sweetener with no caloric significance. Lemons have a lot of vitamin C. You can add cinnamon to this drink to help with the craving for sugar/carbohydrates.

There are 18 pages in the Vitamin C forum at CureZone - http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=400&t=47885 Owen was the one that really knew his stuff, but unfortunately he was driven off. If you scan the forum, the best way to reduce the "noise" is to look for Owen's messages. He was a real cheerleader for Vitamin C.

Heart disease is the #1 killer in America. What does the medical establishment offer for it? Surely not Vitamin C and lysine as mentioned in the Pauling interview in the above link.

Edit to add- CureZone list the top websites on alternative health here- http://curezone.com/websites.asp