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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 11:49 AM
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The term "homocide bomber" is silly.
Yes, I know it's some odd attempt by the right-wing to redefine the language, but taken literally, isn't every bomber designed to take human life a "homocide bomber" whether they kill themselves or not in the process?

When I was channel surfing the AM dial I heard some idiot use that term, and I just thought to myself how silly that term is and how it can be applied so broadly.

I feel like calling up one of them when they are saying something like "nuke Iraq" or some other idiocy and say "Oh, so you want to become a homocide bomber?"
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Lannes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 11:53 AM
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1. Its one of the reasons Larry Johnson the former CIA analyst
Left Fox,he refused to use that term.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 11:54 AM
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2. Any word or phrase coined by Faux News is silly
Edited on Sat Aug-06-05 11:54 AM by IndianaGreen
Faux is still repeating the RW smear that Joe Wilson lied when he said that Cheney send him to Niger. Wilson never made such claim! The truth is that the CIA was responding to a query by Cheney's office. It was the CIA that sent Wilson to Niger, not Cheney and not his wife.
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 11:57 AM
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3. It is a simple demonstration of lunacy
The term suicide bomber was developed to encompass the new tactic of intending to kill oneself whilst killing others (in that the novel part was the self destruction). To use homicide bomber to distinguish this new form of terrorism from older forms (which sought to kill people, just not the bomber) is utterly asinine and illiterate.

I'm delighted to find that there's somebody else as irritated by it as myself - thank goodness that it hasn't been touched by any of our media outlets here in England.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 11:59 AM
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4. Well, that's exactly it...
The term "suicide bomber" has a specific meaning and is an accurate description of the kind of attack.

I don't really understand what they think they are trying to accomplish with this "new and improved" term.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 12:03 PM
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5. Yes, totally inane.. sort of like defining a BAD MURDERER!
Edited on Sat Aug-06-05 12:04 PM by hlthe2b
The RW is so determined to define everything in their terms, it just gets friggin ridiculous. But, it is amusing when it backfires (like the "WAR ON TERROR" or "Nuclear option" re: the Senate fillibuster)
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 12:08 PM
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6. Actually, I'd like us to fight a war on terror. That would be refreshing.
I remember when they coined "Creationism" in order to sound really scientific. Now ID adherents say "No, Intelligent Design is NOT Creationism." Ten years from now they'll be saying "No, Ordered Cosmology is not just a new way of saying 'Intelligent Design'."
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 12:16 PM
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7. it started before the war
The pro-Israeli americans thought "suicide bomber" was too sympathetic to the Palestinians. (?!)
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 01:37 PM
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14. My understanding, from speaking with someone who
lived in Israel was that term "homocide bomber" was created by Israelis in their own country - not by pro-Israeli Americans, and that it is the phrase used in their papers to report on such events. The concern was that suicide didn't describe the intent of the bomber - to take others out with you - you could accurately be described as a suicide bomber and only take out empty building along with yourself- suicide was a consequence of the means selected to commit homicide.

I don't agree that homicide bomber is an accurate descriptor, since it ignores the unique nature of the means of commiting homicide (the suicide) - but the origin of the phrase is not right wing spin.

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 12:31 PM
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8. Homicide is the name of a crime. I thought that Rove said the liberals
were wrong to want to indight? Why call them criminals now?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 12:41 PM
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9. The correct term is "Self-immolating explosive device courier." n/t
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Egalitariat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 12:43 PM
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10. Is the primary objective homicide or suicide?****
nm
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Egalitariat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 12:45 PM
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12. Oops. Never mind. That's a bad argument.
You're right in that the wingers are simply trying to change the language to suit their own wishes that everyone view Islam as an evil religion.
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Lannes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 12:44 PM
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11. I guess Oliver North is going to change the term "Kamikaze"
"To homicide pilot" in his "War stories" program on Fox.
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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 01:29 PM
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13. The US engages its Iraqi enemies by flying bombing missions.
Aren't they trying to kill people when they drop their payloads? The killing of another human being, whether intentionally or not, is homicide. When our MOABs or 500-pounders or cluster bombs explode, isn't that a homicide bombing?
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 01:48 PM
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15. It's redundant
And it also shows how much the crazies worship Bush. As soon as he said if FAUX was using it.
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