Under the spell of Arabia - it has stolen his wit away....

[kentuck]

How soon they have forgotten 9/11 ? Who were those terrorists that attacked us on 9/11? Where were they from? Remind us again. As Monsieurs Cheney and Bush trek to Arabia to pay homage to the princes and owners of the black gold, where were those terrorists from? Surely it was not Iraq. Have they forgotten or do they believe that we have forgotten?

[knowbody0]

1. there you go on the logical path again

remind yourself, you live in george's reality now.
btw, your words are always like music to read

[Son of California]

2. Damnit! God, this is so blatant staring people in the face

But maybe, we WILL have to stop telling the truth and start telling lies to fight fire with fire.

But what will our classic "Big Lie" be? That it was the Saudis who attacked us -not just a few crazy Saudis, but the government, the royal family, the whole Fucking country? I mean, is that really even a lie? Would it be wise to drive this idea home? Would mid of the road, independent voters be turned on by Dem candidates demanding accountability from the Saudis, to demand the head of Osama before anything else?

[Bluebear]

3. A quick and dirty photoshop for your post.....

[Coastie for Truth]

4. Let me ask some dumb "Peak Oi"l and "Energy Independence" Questions

Refer to the "Embargoed EPA Report" -

Between 1980 and 2005, automotive technology (including injectos, combustion, microprocessors/automotive data bus, and continuously variable transmissions) have advanced to the point where we could have 35 plus miles per gallon in a 1980's car, or 22 miles per gallon in a 2005 weight car. The "industry" has not applied these improvements to increasing CAFE -- but to materially increasing weight without a concomitant decrease in fuel economy (SUVs and light pickup trucks are a different matter and regulatory regime).

Let's get even more poessimistic and conspiratorial. If you work the ton miles/gallon numbers in the EPA discussion (non linear, but assuming linearity makes the pencil and paper, back of the envelope calculations quicker and easier) - we could get a CAFE of 35+ miles per gallon - with a 1980's vehicle weight population, and 1980 acceleration. That's without hybrids.

If you assume hybrids ....

This is all doable. Honda is only one demoing it and publicly prototyping it.

Do you ever wonder why GM and Ford are "junk bond rated"?

Go to the PDF's of the embargoed report -- http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/28/business/28TEXT-EPA.html

BTW - I do not believe it is all the fault of the American Petroleum Institute or the North American Automobile Manufacturers Association or the United Autoworkers -- I do see the Saudi hand in the back room with Bush and Cheney.

Now, let's look at hybrid cars and tax credits, and hig occupancy vehicle lanes.

Limits loom on benefits of hybrid cars

DIAMOND LANE USE, TAX BREAKS ARE EXPECTED TO BE RESTRICTED

By Paul Rogers

Mercury News, Friday, August 5, 2005

Sure, they provide great gas mileage and environmental bragging rights.

But if you were thinking about buying a hybrid car because of the sizable new tax break and a free pass to the carpool lane, Congress has put up a detour.

The massive highway bill passed last week in Washington, D.C., includes complicated rules that could delay by six months the day when California hybrid drivers are allowed to drive solo in the state's coveted diamond lanes.

Similarly, the huge energy bill that Congress sent to the president last week included tax credits of up to $3,400 for people who buy new hybrid vehicles starting Jan. 1. But the fine print of the bill limits those credits to 60,000 vehicles per manufacturer from 2006 through 2010.

That means buyers who choose cars made by early innovators Toyota and Honda, which are selling thousands of hybrids a month, will almost certainly find that their tax credits run out fairly quickly, probably by 2007. It could help American carmakers like Ford or General Motors, whose hybrid programs lag Japanese makers', because the credits will last longer.





I do not believe that these limits on hybrids are solely the work of the American Petroleum Institute or the North American Automobile Manufacturers Association or the United Autoworkers (even though they certainly benefit) -- I do see the Saudi hand in Congressman Dave Camp's back room with Bush and Cheney

We are selling out the American people and the American economy for the shortest short term gains of the auto industry (the junk bond rated auto industry) -- and the the benefit of the autocratic Arabian oligarchs. And what do the Saudi Princelings do with the "monopoly rents" on oil? Hint - it doesn't trickle down to the "people" - it trickles down to the Wahabi madrassahs and the terrorists and the Taliban and Al Qaida.