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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 09:22 AM
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Republicans are better media savvy than Democrats
Several polls came out this week showing Bush approval ratings at 42%. Now if a Democrat president had ratings like that, the republicans would mention it on every tv show about how unpopular the Democrat president was. Where are the Democrats, right now they should be saying why should we vote for John Roberts, looking at Bush's poll numbers the people don't like his choice. (of course his poor ratings are because of other issues) SO WHAT. The republicans would still use it. The Democrats should mention how unpopular Bush is no matter what subject they are being interviewed about. Iraq, gas prices, Plamegate etc. It has to be planted in the peoples minds that Bush is unpopular. The Democrats are failing at the media game.
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 09:33 AM
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1. It doesn't take savvy, it takes ownership
The rich Repukes are better at owning media than the poor Dems. See?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 02:05 PM
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8. Bingo.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 02:05 PM
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9. DOH! You beat me to it!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 03:49 PM
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18. Who is denying interviews to Dean, Kerry, Hillary, etc????
?????
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 09:35 AM
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2. See Newsweek's cover. Dems are catching up.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 09:47 AM
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3. "Republicans are better media savvy than Democrats"
"Republicans have more media savvy than Democrats"

But we use better grammar...

RL
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 09:55 AM
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4. not so much.. more the Fascist Coporate Media wont carry a Demo article..
all Tv media is owned by 3 Reich Wing Corporations, they wont allow Democrat a voice "IN" the Media...
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 03:50 PM
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20. Who is denying interviews to Dean, Kerry, Hillary, etc????
????
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 10:12 AM
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5. please, it's 'Mepublicans' from now on
says guy james....the republican party, for all its disagreeable history, was a legit part of the body politic...the 'mepublicans' aren't part of anything, and shouldn't be mixed up with the party of lincoln and eisenhower etc
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 10:31 AM
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6. That's good. May we also call it
DYou?

:evilgrin:



.............Dyoumocrats?

:kick:
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 02:07 PM
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10. I think pretzel is saying that 'Mepublican' adequately labels the selfish-
ness of Repub policies.

Do you feel the same about Dems?
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 02:47 PM
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13. Greetings MM, why RU stating the obvious?
"I think pretzel is saying that 'Mepublican' adequately labels the selfishness of Repub policies"

Why projecting?
"Do you feel the same about Dems?"

Sorry my humor was too suddle. "You" in the sense of caring about "you" not just "me."

Not in the sense of "it's not all about YOU."

:hi:
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 03:45 PM
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17. Sorry, I 'read' this the opposite of its intent. Too touchy (me). Only
decaffeinated from now on.

My apologies.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 03:59 PM
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22. Thanks for not correcting "suddle"
Eye wuz messin witcha. (Actually worked for someone who pronounced it that way: "Make it suddle.")

Green tea? Tazo has a good black tea called "Awake." Since there is a Starbucks every 20 ft. it should be easy to find. Coop has it too.

:hug:
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 01:44 PM
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7. Dems aren't given the same free reign to ride roughshod o'er the airwaves
Edited on Sun Aug-07-05 01:45 PM by emulatorloo
as the shiny bushbots, Rove Flying Monkeys, and mouth-foaming Coulter-clones.

ON EDIT - punctuation spelling and whatnot
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 03:50 PM
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19. Who is denying interviews to Dean, Kerry, Hillary, etc????
????
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 06:31 PM
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25. the interviewer is full of wide-eyed wonder at the wisdom of Ken Mehlman
Edited on Sun Aug-07-05 06:32 PM by emulatorloo
as he chews up the set.

and full of hard-as-nails tough skepticism for Governor Howard Dean, as the Gov tries to get a word in edgewise through the pointed questions which demean Democrats motives. . .

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 06:48 PM
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26. Dean could challenge Melman to a debate on those shows.
Edited on Sun Aug-07-05 06:49 PM by Dr Fate
And then in that debate itemize each lie Melman told.

He could also go on those shows and ask Matthews, Wolf, etc- "Did you know Melman was lying to you- or were just being polite? Allow me to list the lies he told- so that you can follow up next time he is on your show..."

If Melman refuses his challenge, Dean can say to Wolf Blitzer, etc- "I guess he is either afraid to debate, hiding somthing, or both. I am ready to debate the false statements you allowed him to repeat whenever he is."

Just how long are we going to blame the media as an excuse for everything?
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 06:50 PM
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27. Thats it thats it cut his mic!!!!!!!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 06:53 PM
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28. Then he could go on Air America & the Daily show and say he was censored..
Edited on Sun Aug-07-05 06:56 PM by Dr Fate
And say "Wolf Blitzer is obviosly biased- when I tried to tell the truth about Melman, he censored me- like they used to do in communist Russia."

He could also go to friendly news papers and talk about the fact he was censored- if that really happens. He could do an op-ed- surely at least one paper would print it- even if it was local.

He could make sure he says it in every single appearance and newspaper interview- so that everyone knows it happened.

Has Dean, Kerry, Hillary , etc ever made the charge that they were censored or had their mics cut on one of these shows- has that actually happened to a "star" DEM?
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 06:59 PM
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32. Judy Woodruff, election 2004 - Wide-Eyed Wonder at all things Republican
squinty-eyed skepticism at all things Democratic. Relentless aggressive interviewing of Dems so they don't get a word in edgewise. I saw it over and over and over and over and over and over, star Dems or the lackluster ones. Kerry held his own.

There are levels of denied access. . .it is something we have to contend with, and we can't whine about it. But we can't pretend it isnt there either.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:09 PM
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35. And how does this keep Dean from challenging Mehlman to televised debate?
Edited on Sun Aug-07-05 07:11 PM by Dr Fate
And then saying the things I mentioned?

And which DEMs are making the charge of denied access- and listing examples?


No one said they need to "whine" about it- just be blunt- and ask "WHat are they hiding? Why wont they let us tell the truth?"
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 02:08 PM
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11. reich wing fascists own the airwaves; it's all Goebbels-esque propaganda
They'll be stepping up the propaganda campaign to progressively more feverish pitches the further Bushler's poll numbers fall.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 03:51 PM
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21. Who is denying interviews to Dean, Kerry, Hillary, etc????
????
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 05:04 PM
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23. I don't watch it, so I don't know, but I suspect more CYA-type stuff
I figure that they noticed that people noticed the bias and they're putting on a dog and pony show to regain trust. I don't trust them period so long as the financial ties remain and there's no accountability for the propagandafest that's already happened and no transparency or regulation to prevent it from ever happening again.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 05:10 PM
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24. I've seen Kerry, Dean and other "star" DEMs on TV plenty of times.
No one is holding a gun to their heads and making them not talk about all the things DUers complain the media is not covering.

Like the DSM, or 2004 election fraud, for instance.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 06:54 PM
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29. Interesting point, Dr. Fate. But so soorry we're out of time. . .Now John
Fund, I believe we haven't heard enough of your unchallenged talking points yet.

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 06:57 PM
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31. Which DEM is making the charge that they are being cut off or censored?
If this is really happening, I'd like to hear them say so- and often.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:00 PM
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None, because our dems aren't whiners. . .they make the best of a bad
situation.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:06 PM
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34. If censorship of DEMs is really happening, then they need to say so.
Edited on Sun Aug-07-05 07:07 PM by Dr Fate
They can do it without sounding like cry babies- they can couch it in terms of "What is the media and Bush hiding from the American people- why are we censored when we try to tell the truth?"

Until I see a DEM saying this happens- I'll assume it is just a conspiracy theory/excuse for DEMs not speaking up about things the media refuses to discuss.

Allowing lies to be told and not pointing out censorship (If it really happens) is not "making the best of a bad situation"- its a losing game.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 05:22 AM
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37. Editing, amount of face time, who can talk without being cut off,
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 05:23 AM by emulatorloo
who is badly summarized or mischaracterized by the host, who isn't given time for a rebuttal, who is smirked at, who gets the loaded questions and the words w negative connotation, etc etc.

It isn't blatant Censorship, it is more subtle than that. Dems have to deal with it strategically, they can't go all tin foil hatty. Unfortunately I don't have any answers to how they should.

But it is a problem, and they do recognize it. One thing Kerry campaign did in 04 was really focus on local media. . .and they got good press, at least in my state.

If you were here for '04 you may remember a poster called DemStrategist. . .he/she was verified by Skinner and WilliamPitt to be the "real thing," w ties to DNC if I remember correctly.

At any rate - s/he would post suggestions as to what DU could do. S/he was pretty articulate that the national press was our enemy and would not give Dems a fair shake w/o extreme amounts of pressure from viewers/readers. S/he had all kinds of suggestions about letter writing phone calls etc. Unfortunately DU went totally Viscious and really really trashed this poster.

(PS tried to do a search on DemStrategist for you but apparently all his/her posts have gone down the DU memory hole)
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 05:20 PM
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39. DEMs need to say what you just said- with documentation.
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 05:20 PM by Dr Fate
Otherwise I have no choice but to consider it just an excuse/conspiracy theory.

You dont fight censorship by being afraid people will call you a tin-foil hatter- you fight it by talking about it.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:00 PM
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33. self -delete - trigger finger DUPLICATE POST
Edited on Sun Aug-07-05 07:00 PM by emulatorloo
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 02:10 PM
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12. NO....they just LIE like SHIT. democrats dont. that isNT savvy
Edited on Sun Aug-07-05 02:10 PM by seabeyond
that is lying.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 02:50 PM
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14. Great that you can
seabeyond it.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 03:11 PM
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15. arent you clever.
telling hubby how i like clever so. lol. just yesterday. my comedy is in the clever. i dont like stupid, comedy. but then....that .....just goes into the whole education academic (evolution vs creationism), clever vs stupid, bush feeding the nation in stupid. yep yep yep
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 03:19 PM
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16. Yeah, "President Bush"
Edited on Sun Aug-07-05 03:21 PM by omega minimo
doesn't really need a punch line.

You do comedy? Writing? Performance? Gorilla? Grocery line?

The Stupid IV has been dripping into the US bloodstream longer than Dubya's pResidency....... that's the only way the Bushiburton Admin. could get away with this. First rule: Send the dumb guy to the podium and keep the masterminds in an undisclosed location. A handicap for smart candidates like oh-I-dunno-- Gore and Kerry.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 06:56 PM
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30. Nope. They are merely more calculative LIARS and BETRAYERS!!!
The Republicans feel no remorse or regret, whatsoever, at defrauding and manipulating and tricking the American people. They have no guilt about sacrificing every ideal this nation STOOD for in order to WIN POWER.

They are barbaric, greedy, human scum who have proven their inability to take the power they have to advance the nation they are suppose to serve. They are weak in character and courage and patriotism and principle.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:16 PM
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36. and they do it in unison
with out skipping a beat. same words, same lies, same BS over and over again.
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Lannes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 05:38 AM
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38. They know how to push the right buttons.
We have to show americans why they do it and our alternatives to their mind games.
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