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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 11:06 AM
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Is America Finally having it's Walter Cronkite Moment?
Edited on Sun Aug-07-05 11:10 AM by mopaul
like during the vietnam atrocity, one day walter just spoke his mind and said this shit is fucked, it's lost, it's over, let's end it, in so many words.

are we there yet? does it even make a bit of diff to fuckhead?

Tonight, back in more familiar surroundings in New York, we'd like to sum up our findings in Vietnam, an analysis that must be speculative, personal, subjective. Who won and who lost in the great Tet offensive against the cities? I'm not sure. The Vietcong did not win by a knockout, but neither did we. The referees of history may make it a draw. Another standoff may be coming in the big battles expected south of the Demilitarized Zone. Khesanh could well fall, with a terrible loss in American lives, prestige and morale, and this is a tragedy of our stubbornness there; but the bastion no longer is a key to the rest of the northern regions, and it is doubtful that the American forces can be defeated across the breadth of the DMZ with any substantial loss of ground. Another standoff.

On the political front, past performance gives no confidence that the Vietnamese government can cope with its problems, now compounded by the attack on the cities. It may not fall, it may hold on, but it probably won't show the dynamic qualities demanded of this young nation. Another standoff.

We have been too often disappointed by the optimism of the American leaders, both in Vietnam and Washington, to have faith any longer in the silver linings they find in the darkest clouds. They may be right, that Hanoi's winter-spring offensive has been forced by the Communist realization that they could not win the longer war of attrition, and that the Communists hope that any success in the offensive will improve their position for eventual negotiations. It would improve their position, and it would also require our realization, that we should have had all along, that any negotiations must be that -- negotiations, not the dictation of peace terms. For it seems now more certain than ever that the bloody experience of Vietnam is to end in a stalemate. This summer's almost certain standoff will either end in real give-and-take negotiations or terrible escalation; and for every means we have to escalate, the enemy can match us, and that applies to invasion of the North, the use of nuclear weapons, or the mere commitment of one hundred, or two hundred, or three hundred thousand more American troops to the battle. And with each escalation, the world comes closer to the brink of cosmic disaster.

To say that we are closer to victory today is to believe, in the face of the evidence, the optimists who have been wrong in the past. To suggest we are on the edge of defeat is to yield to unreasonable pessimism. To say that we are mired in stalemate seems the only realistic, yet unsatisfactory, conclusion. On the off chance that military and political analysts are right, in the next few months we must test the enemy's intentions, in case this is indeed his last big gasp before negotiations. But it is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way out then will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy, and did the best they could.

This is Walter Cronkite. Good night.


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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 11:08 AM
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1. Hmm
Anyone got a quote or transcript of what Walter said? For those of us who weren't alive at the time
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 11:10 AM
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3. thanks for asking, here it is,
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 11:14 AM
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5. Thanks
Change some of the place names, and someone should say this about Iraq
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 11:08 AM
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2. Way far away
Walter's retired. The current crop TV newsers are more interested in their hair.
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 11:10 AM
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4. No. We're still in the Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly moment. And there's
not a Cronkite in sight. Nor will there be as long as corporate America is pulling the strings.

Maybe it's time for all of us to get out the pitchforks.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 11:15 AM
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6. No. Not even close.
And it won't make a bit of difference until the repubs reinstate the draft, and all of a sudden, when joe freeper and their friends, and relatives are actually going over there and getting killed, or coming back with missing limbs and completely shell-shocked they may see it for the cluster-fuck it really is.

Until it directly affects them like it did in the 60's, they will continue to sit on their fat lazy asses on their recliners, while they get spoon fed propaganda from the MSM and rah-rah the quagmire as a great victory.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 11:41 AM
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8. You are absolutely correct tjwash
When a right wing pundit can denigrate returning soldiers for being cowards while the pundit hides behind his desk and receives no repercussions, than we have not turned the corner. Until those right wing cowards are forced to face the reality of war and put their yellow necks on the line for what they believe, nothing in this country is going to change. It is so, so easy to say you are for a war when you don't have to fight in it.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 11:41 AM
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7. have you no sense decency?
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/Have_you_no_sense_of_decency.htm
U.S. Senate: Art & History Home > Historical Minutes > 1941-1963 > "Have You No Sense of Decency?"....

another great monent in american history...we can only hope that someone will change the course of history as this man did.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 04:53 PM
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9. no, the MSM is a propaganda agency of the govt. these days
Back then there was the opportunity to slip out of line. That sort of opportunity no longer exists.
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