Where is the pro-War, pro-Bush Cindy Sheehan?

[Taxloss]

Sheehan's bold assault on Bush makes for horrible GOP PR, and if they have any sense they'll be panicking about it. They'll also be looking for ways to respond.

It strikes me there are two methods. The first is swiftboating - there are hints already. If Cindy turns out to be pretty clean - and it sickens me to say this - they'll attack the son. I don't doubt it. Or some other factor in his family and upbringing.

But ...

The second is the "AntiCindy" strategy - they dredge up some pro-War, pro-Bush woman who has lost her son in Iraq but still thinks the president is wonderful man, the invasion was a great idea, and everything in Iraq is peachy. She'll say how she's sure her son would feel the same way. Bingo! Something for Fox to work with.

The news agenda will then shift. AntiCindy will challenge Cindy to a debate, or a meeting, or something, and this will divert media attention from the core of Cindy's message. If Cindy declines, she will be made to look bad. If AntiCindy is even slightly criticised, then the HORROR and OUTRAGE exhibited by the RW media that anyone could do such a thing will make DU's criticism of smear attempts look like warm praise. Voila, the RW has reclaimed the talking point.

NOW, here is the kicker: if no AntiCindy emerges - why is that? Couldn't they find one?

SO this is the fresh Cindy talking point - if an AntiCindy were around, she would be high profile. So why isn't an AntiCindy being deployed? Can't they find one, or are they still waiting for the cheque to clear?

(Yes, I know it implicates all the other bereaved families in assent with our position by silence, but that's been their tactic for years.)

Just a thought.

[Sal316]

1. On Drudge, they're already sliming Cindy.

I won't post it, but they're comparing her comments from last year to now in a feeble attempt to portray her as a political opportunist.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

9. Ms. Sheehan appears to be an astute individual. She seems to be

able to hold her own and I wouldn't doubt that she has been engaged in debates with "antiCindy" types before. I'm sure she's up to that challenge.

Of course, any word she spoke in the last 48 yrs of her life will be scrutinized, analyzed and seized upon.

However, there will be no smoking gun, forcing the RW to rely on innuendo. And, it seems if she holds her ground, her current stance will trump innuendo every time.

MKJ

[kenny blankenship]

2. She's a Flip Flopper !

She used to be all for the President killing her son. Now she says she's against it. Who are we to believe? Who was lying--Cindy Sheehan, when she claimed to be a Bush supporter? Or this Cindy Sheehan, cruelly lying in wait just outside the humble home of George W. Bush?
Did you know little Georgie has to sleep in the manger? Isn't she mean for trying to waylay him?

[Sal316]

4. Stop! It's WAAAAAAAY too early for sarcasm.

:spray:

At least here in AZ..it's 8am.

[kenny blankenship]

17. OK ok but did you know that the Gold Star is a decoration of the Soviet

military, sometimes awarded to non-Russians? Cindy Sheehan and her fellow travelers CLAIM to be Gold Star "Mothers", of the American variety. We at FOX News are wondering though when she was awarded this medal and whether she got it in the mail with a letter from Donald Rumsfeld, or did she travel to Red Square to pick it up? Oh, Hammer-and-Sickle Cindy MIGHT be on our side it's true. Or she might be a cunning old Stalinist propagandist out to disrupt the war effort and DESTROY AMERICA. But how can we trust ANYTHING she says until she offers some proof to clear up this ambiguity? And why hasn't she done so already? Many people are now saying that she has a LOT of explaining to do!

[Taxloss]

5. Flip-flopper, jeez. You'd think they'd find a new line.

The clue train is leaving, morans, and the ticket is: WHY did she change her mind?

[Sal316]

7. In the article from last year...

...she asked him to 'make her son's sacrifice count for something.'

I honestly can't think of anything that's improved.. water treatment, electrical grid, security....

I cannot blame her for being pissed. My heart goes out to her.

[barb162]

3. good points. They WILL find some way to sabatoge her, that's the

main weapon those slugs use to deflect an opponent's message.

[tenshi816]

6. Cindy Sheehan could talk rings around any anti-Cindy

the Repubs could dredge up. Cindy's an articulate, intelligent woman who sees what bullshit this war is and knows first hand its terrible cost. Any "AntiCindy" who has gone through the same ordeal Cindy Sheehan has and still remains a pro-war Bush-lover wouldn't have the brains to debate her.

[Taxloss]

11. But AntiCindy wouldn't need brains.

She'd just need mindless appeals to patriotism and meaningless calls to "support the troops". Any AntiCindy who has gone through the same ordeal Cindy has and still remains a pro-war Bush Supporter is clearly a hardened ideologue.

[tenshi816]

24. True, you're right about that,

but people like that lack the passion of a Cindy Sheehan. They can convince people who already think like them, but never reach people sitting on the fence. Or that's what I tell myself in my naive optimism...

[jojo54]

8. It's called 'losing a child'.

Now she's questioning it. Why? Because she suffered a tragedy; her son thought enlisting was the right thing to do to help the Iraqi people and when he died, Cindy thought it was the right thing to do to look into WHY he died. She finally saw the light and I don't think anybody has the right to deny her the fresh insights she has found.

That's my thoughts anyway, from one mom to another.

btw-MSNBC just had her on for a minute, talking about her protest.

[DemonFighterLives]

19. Not to dispute you,

but in her interview with Wolfie, he asked her if her son was for the war. She said no, he wanted to go for his buddies when she tried to talk him out of it. I suppose he didn't want to go AWOL(like dubby) and leave his buddies laying in the dust.

[NoodleBoy]

10. it's already happening, look what I just stumbled across.

http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/m-n/newman/2005/newman080805.htm

A Mother Insults Her Fallen Son

Cindy Sheehan does not believe those filthy ragheads and camel jockeys in Iraq deserve freedom. Nor does she believe they should be allowed to live in peace or be able to sleep at night without wondering if their genocidal dictator’s bloodthirsty henchmen are going to kick their door in and drag the entire family off to a grisly torture chamber, where the parents will be made to watch their children be repeatedly raped and sodomized and finally blinded and dismembered while still alive.

Her son adamantly disagreed with her. U.S. Army Specialist Casey Sheehan, in fact, disagreed with his mother so vehemently that he was willing to give his life so that brown-skinned Muslims he didn’t even know could be free.

Now Mrs. Sheehan claims George Bush, not terrorists, killed her son. She didn’t protest when the maniacs of 9-11 killed nearly 3,000 people. She doesn’t fault the mass murderers who continue to butcher innocent Iraqi men, women and children and who continue to kill courageous American military personnel. She didn’t fly to London to protest outside of a mosque. She is in no way shocked by the hundreds of mass graves being excavated in Iraq, graves filled with tens of thousands of bodies of Saddam’s victims. She is not troubled at all by the numerous al Qaeda terrorists in Iraq who want to kill every American man, woman and child on earth. And she could not care less that proud Iraqis, facing death, voted for the first time in throngs for the politician of their choice, defiantly holding up ink-stained fingers to show they had faced down the terrorists. To Cindy Sheehan, it would appear, Arabs, especially Muslim Arabs, should have no right to vote or even live for that matter.

Cindy Sheehan’s son volunteered for military service and knew he would probably go to war. He accepted the risks and dangers and was okay with them. He died doing his part to prevent the Muslim terrorists from killing more and more innocent civilians around the world, in places like the Philippines, Italy, Thailand, France, India, Russia, Lebanon, Netherlands, England, Israel, Spain and the United States. Mrs. Sheehan, if her actions and words are any indication, apparently thinks her son was an idiot because of his beliefs

[Dhalgren]

18. Jesus, the moron who wrote this piece can't even keep his

faux praise of Casey straight! First Casey went to Iraq to kill Iraqis in order to "free" them; next Casey had gone to Iraq in order to kill innocent civilians so as to keep "Muslim terrorists ... from killing ... innocent civilians around the world". Anyone who would read drivel like this and agree with it is a stupid asshole, anyway, and already hates Cindy and what she stands for. I think that this "swift boating" shit is finding fewer and fewer people who will give it any credence...

[DemonFighterLives]

20. If this writer is a Mensa member

It really shows how close insanity is to pure genius.
:argh:
That story has got to be a freeper plant, though I haven't been following the Mensas'.

[NoodleBoy]

25. uh... dude, it's "Men's News Daily"

nothing to do with mensa...

[DemonFighterLives]

26. Uh thanks, I guess I had read enough without clicking

:shrug:

[zbdent]

12. They're having trouble finding a loud, obnoxious, pro-War, pro-Bush

(Operation Iraqi Liberation) Gold Star Mother to quote . . .

[Taxloss]

14. And that's our talking point!

If Cindy is such a minority, why is she the only voice?

[sui generis]

13. well the shame of it is

that the children of this nation are fighting a war engaged by the most shameful dishonesty and lies of our leaders, fighting a war of lies out of duty and honor to our country. The children of this nation are dying for a pack of lies. At the end of the day if they do find an "anti-Cindy" I sure hope she can live with herself in the wee hours.

If a child of mine were murdered in George W. Bush's war on oil, GWB's war to line the pocketbook of Halliburton, GWB's war to be wartime president and secure a second term as a seated war time president, I may be proud that my child served his country and upheld his or her duty with honor, but I would also hate the bastard that knew the price of his false war was the life of my child, and the lives and health of many more.

And in all the hours of every day I would question if it really, really was "worth it". In fact, I do now.

George Bush is a monster. By definition anyone who supports a monster is either deluded and stupid or a monster themselves. If they CAN find an "anti-Cindy", it will be interesting to see what her convictions are and if they stand up to any form of media spotlight.

[Taxloss]

15. Well, she'd be a hardened ideologue.

Or lying. But if it can be done, it will be done.

[Doctor Panacea]

16. She was always against the war.

I heard her on Air America this morning. She stated flatly that she had always been against the war and that her son had been, too, but that he had gone because it was his duty as a member of the military.

What could be clearer than that?

The right wing creates its own reality.

I was already a young adult during the Vietnam experience. I have seen all of this same crap before: the lies, the self-delusions, the fanatics who scream about patriotism and "stopping them over there."

The right wing is drunk on power, money, and Jesus. Yes, religion is just as much a part of this crap as anything else. In fact, religion is playing the same role in this country that it does in the Middle East.

[Amonester]

21. Doesn't matter how much the monsters want to spin.

Every other poll that comes out clearly shows the "swing" vote - the "middle" 20% - has (finally) awaken to (almost) ALL their - old now, thus predictable - dirty smearing tactics. The middle ain't gonna swing back again, unless... We know what (sadly...), but even then, if either the MIHOP or the LIHOP - or not - were 2 happen, the people "in the middle" are saying more and more: "Enough Is Enough" so it's still not sure on which "side" would the chips fall afterward: would they blame Bush&Co for their incompetence or start drinking their kool-aid all over again? I'd say the former, because I have the feeling there's no turning back now: they think they've been had and THEY R MAD. AND just think how much more assured of their opinion they would be if someone (Dems?) would "inform" them about the PNAC monsters?

My opinion.

[LoKnLoD]

22. I'm Suprised

They haven't dragged out the mother they had during the State of the Union, who hugged the Iraqi woman with the purple finger. Sigh...makes you feel all gooey inside :sarcasm:

[welshTerrier2]

23. the right-wing's political response

first, there's no way in hell i can see bush meeting with Sheehan ... at best, they would offer to meet with her privately or have a representative collect a written statement from her ... they sure as hell wouldn't let a meeting unfold real-time in front of the press ... no way ...

so what will they do?

i'll go with your option two ... they'll find one or more pro-bush, pro-war parents ... where i disagree with you is that i strongly doubt they will criticize or attack Sheehan for her beliefs ...

they'll talk about feeling for her loss because they've experienced it themselves ... they'll talk about the fact that while she's in the extreme minority because most "gold star families" support the president, she, like they have suffered a tragic loss and that the best way we can honor our lost vets is to "succeed in Iraq" ...

at that point, the WH can jump in and point to the great compassion he has for all these families and those who gave their lives ... he will not make any reference to Sheehan at all ...

[oldlady]

27. couldn't find a link, but FOX news just said

that Cindy had given an interview to her hometown paper where she said that she knew Bush was sorry and that he was sincere in his belief that the Iraq war was to benefit Iraqis and that the Bush's had given her family "the gift of happiness"-- no link on the website, but the "quotes" from Cindy's hometown paper were printed on the screen...what's up with that? can't disprove it unless I figure out what they were quoting & nothing on their site.
peace,

[MissB]

29. It was taken out of context

And unfortunately the long thread about it was deleted earlier (Drudge article posted as apparent flame bait). Wish I would've saved the link, but someone posted a link to the entire article. Someone cut and pasted some comments -she was essentially talking about something completely different.

[oldlady]

30. thanks for the lead

I miss so much when the threads fly by! now, back when I was young & spry...heehee

[oldlady]

28. couldn't find a link, but FOX news just said

that Cindy had given an interview to her hometown paper where she said that she knew Bush was sorry and that he was sincere in his belief that the Iraq war was to benefit Iraqis and that the Bush's had given her family "the gift of happiness"-- no link on the website, but the "quotes" from Cindy's hometown paper were printed on the screen...what's up with that? can't disprove it unless I figure out what they were quoting & nothing on their site.
peace,