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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:43 PM
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Poll question: All supporters of the Minutemen, inside please.
This pic was taken at a Minuteman rally July 30th. Notice the salutes and the rather retro flag to the right of the Confederate flag.



Here is a blog entry regarding this event:
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2005/08/minutemen-home-for-extremists_08.html

This is a recent Minutemen rally. And yes, that's a Nazi flag there, third from the right.

Well, I've been saying all along that the Minutemen's core demographic is constituted of right-wing extremists, including many outright racists.

At a recent anti-immigrant rally in Laguna Beach, the connection was made explicit.

The rally was held July 30. It apparently was a follow-up of sorts to a similar rally held in the same locale on July 16, in which a local anti-immigration activist decided to protest a local arts festival's financial support for a day labor center for undocument workers. This rally drew the participation of the Save Our State campaign (an ostensibly mainstream anti-immigration organization) and the Minutemen's Jim Gilchrist. It also drew a contingent of neo-Nazis.

A Live Journal account gives a quick overview of what occurred:
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:44 PM
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1. Damn, I thought we DEFEATED the Nazis
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slutticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:43 PM
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25. We defeated the Confederacy too...I guess they just forgot?
:shrug:
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:45 PM
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2. The minutemen are racists. They're supporters are either racist..
or delusional.

The same kind of people who support them are the same kind of people who think the Confederate flag isn't racist. They think it's a symbol of their proud Southern heritage. In the same way the swastika is a symbol of proud German heritage.

I don't know what you're expecting them to admit to.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:47 PM
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3. Damn! They were in Laguna Beach and I missed it?
I would have stopped by to heckle them!

For the record, I never once doubted they were racists.
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:47 PM
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4. That is really frightening
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:16 PM
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31. Welcome, AllieB! Sorry that this had to be one of your first threads.
:hi:


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GracieM Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:48 PM
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5. Is that really a Nazi flag?
I can't really tell. But the confederate flag is bad enough for me.
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:52 PM
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9. You think they're all waving hello?
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GracieM Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:06 PM
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16. Holy crap! I didn't even notice the salutes
Who are these people? I think we're fighting the wrong war.
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Nabia2004 Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:30 PM
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21. makes my blood boil
first thing that comes to mind is kicking some racist Nazi ass.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:21 PM
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33. They're saying, "Hey, the sun is in my eyes."
Or maybe, "I'm drying the back of my hand in the air."
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:54 PM
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11. Here's a closeup from the same blog post
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 02:55 PM by jim3775
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GracieM Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:07 PM
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18. Wouldn't it be nice if
nazis and klansmen would kill each other off?

What the hell do neo-Nazis expect to achieve anymore? I don't get the hatred. Just don't get it...
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:46 PM
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30. Umm - because they're the real core of the repuke party?
Amazing how many still refuse to recognize that.
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:48 PM
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6. Someone forward this to Lou Dobbs...n/t
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:45 PM
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29. Why waste time with that schmuck?
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:48 PM
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7. Hell, the President of the org left, claiming racism
http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/ts_more.php?id=66310_0_10_0_C

He came, he saw, he got fed-up.

Bill Parmley, who once spearheaded the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps’s effort in Texas, resigned Monday, citing a lack of firm bureaucratic structure and racist tendencies of the growing organization.

“I have built up 50 years of a reputation for myself in this county and have not let racism ever be an issue,” Parmley wrote in an e-mail sent to Minuteman leader Chris Simcox in Arizona and the local Goliad County Sheriff Robert De La Garza.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:50 PM
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8. Sad, actually.
It's rather like the anarchists trashing storefronts during an anti-globalization protest. The RW used that to show that World Bank protests were just a bunch of violent extremists.

I don't blame the organizers for dissociating themselves from the group.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:53 PM
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10. Raising hand as one whose mind has been changed
Never ever ever going to support them again.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:56 PM
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12. Glad to hear that
It's a shame their scapegoating wasn't enough
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:57 PM
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14. No kidding.
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 02:57 PM by Kraklen
Fool you once, shame on you.

Fool me. Shame on. Um.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:41 PM
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24. Everybody makes mistakes
Few will admit to them.

:hi:

I admit, I was fucking wrong about the Minutemen!
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:57 PM
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13. glad to hear that, also!!
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 02:57 PM by jonnyblitz
:hi:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:44 PM
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26. Whew!
How does it feel to have seen the light? I knew these guys when I lived in Idaho and they are not a cool bunch.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 07:46 PM
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42. Good on you, Walt Starr
:thumbsup:
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:59 PM
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15. thanks for posting this. I am glad now i took the time to provide
the link to show you there indeed WAS/IS support for them at DU when you didn't believe me this weekend. :hi:
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The White Tree Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:06 PM
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17. How about we let the immigrants in and
throw these guys out.

Just a thought.
;-)
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:11 PM
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19. Great trade
Some friendly hard working people for a bunch of hateful mean spirited as*holes.
I never liked their ideas from the get go and assumed a bunch of militia weirdos were involved.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:45 PM
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28. Actually, why don't we make them work at the jobs the
immigrants work at and see how long they last.
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Biased Liberal Media Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:12 PM
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20. Eww. Looks like a KKK rally minus the hoods.
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:35 PM
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22. "White nationalists." *snort*
Well then what the hell are they doing in America?
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:38 PM
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23. but...but...we have to secure our borders!
You never know what manner of vileness them Messicans might bring with them!

:freak:
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:44 PM
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27. This just confirms what I've already believed about these racist yahoos.
Notice a lot of apologists springing up here to defend this filth, too! - Nice try - ain't gonna work!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:19 PM
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32. Use their full name: North American Minuteman Border Legionaires (NAMBLA)
I didn't support them, but I kind of encouraged them to go out and get their ignorant asses shot by our own border patrol.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:21 PM
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34. *SNARF*
:D
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GracieM Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:25 PM
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35. The still support vote was a joke right?
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:59 PM
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36. Probably not, unfortunately
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GracieM Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 05:02 PM
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37. A lurker in the midst....
Will he/she admit to the vote?
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 05:03 PM
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38. No because the people who troll here don't want a light shone on them
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GracieM Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 05:14 PM
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39. The countdowns to deletion crack me up
everytime...
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 05:14 PM
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40. I support the right of people to defend thier property from tresspassers..
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 05:15 PM by Jack_DeLeon
if they happen to own property along the border, or wherever I dont particularily care if they patrol it to keep unwanted people out.

However if some random ass cracker tries to stop and interrogate me out on the street about my citizenship then there will definately be trouble, for them.

Cause this Mexican here is a legal born in the USA American citizen, I know my rights, and I carry a .45 automatic.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 07:44 PM
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41. kick for the truth about these roaches
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 07:46 PM
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43. Anyone who supports this militia cannot be a true Democrat
just my two cents from a newbie. Supporting this kind of racism is not a tenet of the Democratic Party.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 07:50 PM
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44. Wow. That's an attractive bunch of young people.
Now I've got that Pink Floyd song, Run Like Hell, stuck in my head.
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