#1 Iraq view I am hearing from wingnuts now:

[SHRED]

"The "media" refuses to cover all the good going on in Iraq".

The above statement is code for when/if we ever do finally pull out:
"The media lost this war. Those damn liberals. We could have won it but the media turned the public against the war!"


:grr:

[xchrom]

1. they're insane.

as usual.

[SoDesuKa]

2. They Love Us in Fallujah

Too bad the New York Times can't bring itself to take pictures of Iraqi children begging for treats from GI's. Then people would understand how the Iraqis admire and love us.

Correction: The children who beg for treats are the ones still remaining after the siege.

[SunDrop23]

22. The children are begging for treats instead of mortar shells

[Liberal Veteran]

3. Ask them to actually list all the good things going on Iraq.

You'll get "elections and constitutions".

Then you can point out that those were covered in the media and finish with "got anything else or are you just guessing there are lots of good things".

[jimshoes]

4. Isn't that the same

tripe they're always saying about VietNam, if only the damn liberals let us have our way, we would have won there too? Or something to that effect.

[ClintonTyree]

15. That's what Ann the Man Coulter said on O'Lielly.............

last week. It was the "Liberal Media", specifically, "Walter Cronkite" that LOST us the War in Viet Nam. :eyes: Ann continues to display her stupidity as if it were a virtue.

The fact remains, if News agencies were to cover all of the "good things" happening in Iraq, they'd better be prepared to supply a never ending number of journalists because they'd be killed faster than they could report about said "good things". Iraq is such a dangerous place and there are so few "good things" being accomplished it would be a complete waste of time and journalists to cover it.

I suggest Ann the Man Coulter get her bony ass over there, without benefit of special security, without 24/7 military protection, to report the "good things" herself.

I'll be at the airport waiting for your departure, Ann. Oh, I forgot. She's fighting "the war on ideas" here at home. A much bloodier and dangerous conflict, to be sure. :eyes:

[Atlas Mugged]

5. What could be so "good"...

...that it's more important than the senseless death of American soldiers and innocent Iraqi civilians?

[CTyankee]

6. Yep, I'm hearing more of that now, too.

A RW caller to Ed Schultz yesterday said something about the public never hearing about the "schools that we've built" over in Iraq. Ed replied that he certainly hoped we did given all the money we've spent over there! A good response. I'd add that "it would be even better if we could have found that $9 billion that we lost there. Wonder how that could have happened?"

[Why Syzygy]

11. I'm pretty damn sure

they had schools before the invasion ! Or is that "liberation".

I did hear reports of PAINTING the schools. But are the children even safe to attend?

Yeah. Let's get some media reports. Oh wait. How many journalists have lost thier lives trying to cover this mess? And many by "friendly fire"? And is al-jaz. not telling anyone how great things are? And what about the freedom of the press that is so popular there?

Bozos. It must hurt to believe lie after lie after endless lie.

[ClintonTyree]

17. They're probably using....

lead based paint if Helliburton got the contract.

[GCP]

24. Perhaps they're having to re-build the schools that got shocked and awed

Did those assholes ever consider that?

[JHB]

13. Actually, ALL I hear from RWers is "about all the schools we've built"...

...but oddly, we never see those schools, even from military PR sources. How about a list, so patriotic reporters can visit them all themselves and see all the happy students hard at work at their desks?

[SOS]

39. Exactly

Challenge the wing nutz to provide even one photo of these phantom schools.

[chicagiana]

34. I heard that call ..

That guy was talking about all the innocent women and children that we are helping in Iraq. My gasp was .. "How, by dropping bombs on them???? By rounding up their husbands and torturing them in Abu Ghraib for three months????"

He also failed to mention that Paul Bremer FIRED all the school teachers!!! And I'm not exactly certain whether that was a union thing or a Baath party thing.

[porphyrian]

7. Spreading some good...

What the fuck do they mean? The times American soldiers don't get killed? The times innocent civilians don't get shot? Stupid fucking fascists.

[unhappycamper]

8. Here's some pics of all the "good going on":

http://crisispictures.org/news/newspictures/mideast/

The hate mail bag is pretty interesting. You have the opportunity to reply to some pretty twisted folks. Think of it as fun with freepers.

[Cary]

9. Sometimes I think that what they're really trying to do is. . .

refight the Vietnam War. It's part of their desperate, irrational need to undo everything from the New Deal. The loss in Vietnam is deeply symbolic for them.

According to them, America can win an insurgency if only the American public doesn't undermine the effort. Vietnam, they say, was winable. And of course liberalism was to blame for the loss.

We were in the Vietnam War for what? 8 or 9 years? And it was raging for decades before that. But they still think they can rewrite history, and they're going to do it, dammit, in Iraq.

So of course we are the scapegoats if it doesn't work.

[porphyrian]

20. Some of them really are...

I think you're definitely right about some of them, at least. I've heard many of them come out with the Jane Fonda-hating, hippie-bashing shit, and it just doesn't make sense. Everyone realizes 'Nam vets weren't the ones responsible for what happened over there now, our government was. Jane Fonda came out and said as much. As for the war protesters of today, we don't spit on soldiers, we try to get the President to acknowledge their deaths and to honor them by not sending them into another meaningless war, such as the one in Iraq.

It's not the vets who irritate me, though, it's the stupid little punks who weren't even alive then and who never served at all that are banging their drum for war that deserve a boot in the teeth.

[Cary]

23. They hate Jane.

No doubt. Good point.

[chicagiana]

35. What is telling ...

What is telling is that the right wing are actively distancing Iraq from the "Vietnam experience". If they are so damn proud of Vietnam, why are they distancing themselves from it now????

Secretly, I think the big-wigs in the Republican party have realized that we have already lost Iraq. They see it has a huge political liability going into the '06 elections. This is why you see the talk about pulling down troop numbers.

They will "Vietnamize" Iraq to save face. Pull up stakes and declare victory. All along they will continue to overstate the number of Iraqi police and military by a factor of TEN.

The LAST thing they will do is to bring Iraqi recruits to the US to train alongside Americans. That would create a most undesirable situation of the American public actually having PERSONAL CONTACT with patriotic Iraqis who desperately want to save their country AND want the Americans to get the hell out.

No, we cannot have Hashee and his buddies taking RR in some South Carolina town next to a base. Than the local yocals will get the real skinnie on whats going on in Iraq. And they would find out that the Iraqis believe the Americans have made a terrible mess of their country. And they would here over and over again that while Saddam was a monster, they were BETTER OFF under Saddam.

[mark11727]

10. "But they really ARE throwing flowers at us! REALLY!..."

"...why won't anyone BELIEVE that (whine)..."

Jeebus. :eyes:

[Cary]

14. Stop whining.

:sarcasm:

God, I hate the way the pukes are.

[Liberal Veteran]

12. I just thought of the best response ever to that....

Tell them there is something they can do about that....petitition the president and congress to reinvoke the fairness doctrine.

Then watch their heads explode while they try to wrap their tiny little brains around it.

[Dhalgren]

28. Excellent reply! I WILL use it! Thanks...

[SheepyMcSheepster]

30. hehe, that is good

:hi:

[Tim4319]

16. Didn't this story recycle itself?

I thought they were saying that before. How the media was not covering all of the schools being opened, and houses being built.

[amber dog democrat]

18. Just like it seems to bury the bad news in the Chimp Administration.

I bet there were lots of good things happening everywhere that don't get reported.

Yes I too have read this in letters to the editor in my own local newspaper.

If there was a poll I believe 25 % to 35% of the respondants will buy this - which correpsonds to the Chimp's core supporters. They're never going to change.

I remember being taught how many Germans believed the army was stabbed in the back on the point of victory by the November crimnals in 1918 too.

Its just another right wing myth. I suppose you could reply wih something like " it all depends on what news source you rely on. Outside of Mat Drudge, FOX and Rush, even MSMBC and CNN would seem liberal.

[Why Syzygy]

19. What may be really happening

is that the media was implicit in repeating the LIES that sold the numbed American public on this misadventure. Maybe now they aren't so sure that they want innocent blood on their hands. I'd like to think that, but it seems they are all over Ira*n like a nuke at present. I'm afraid to watch what happens next.

[Cary]

25. Passive resistance.

Yes, it's a tough row to hoe but it works, eventually.

[Mutley]

21. I'd like to ask them

"And what good is going on in Iraq, exactly?"

[Liberal Veteran]

26. Then perhaps they should vacation there?

I mean, since it's so safe and there is so much good going on, it sounds like it would be a really relaxing vacation for them.

[90-percent]

27. media lost the war in viet nam?

Geeez, didn't the media give them fifteen or so fucking years to win the war before the media forced them to loose it? Maybe they only needed another 10 years and 40,000 more lives to win without the liberal media anchor around their necks?

-85%

[Eagle_Eye]

29. The media does cover all the good going on in Iraq; there just

isn't that much good going on to report

[rman]

31. Good news as in "Bagdad car-bomb, 10 million survivors"?

(or however many inhabitants Bagdad has, most of who would not die in any given car-bomb attack)

Just trying to help them to get the correct spin agle on this...

[Zenlitened]

32. Suggested reply: US forces don't even have Baghdad under control.

Not even the city that is the center of "rebuilding efforts" is secure. That's a fact. So tell me, how good can things really be?

Stupid, damaged, broken people. Failed human being, these freepiots.

[chicagiana]

33. A bit I would like to see on "The Daily Show" ...

The media is so BIASED about Aruba. They don't show any of the GOOD things in Aruba. Like the beaches, and the drunken spring break parties. They don't show the Girl's Gone Wild crews or the drunken orgies.

No it's all about some girl who went missing and was killed. All day all night. Why can't they show anything GOOD about Aruba!?!?!?!?!?!

[TNOE]

36. Weren't some Journalist heading to Iraq

to prove that there was good news NOT being reported? Have they gone? Are they dead now - or what?

[Norquist Nemesis]

42. They're back

They went for 10 days "on their own dime". LOL

I saw a snippet of an interview with one of the "Truth Squad" :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

IIRC, it was Coast to Coast and (thankfully) Harmonica Growley was out 'on assignment'. Anyway, there was a lady who was one of the self-proclaimed CONservative Radio Show hosts that went and an Iraq War vet (Paul Reickhof, maybe??). He was great! She was a shill.

[DistressedAmerican]

37. Not Even Fox Huh? Ever Occure To These Asshats It Just Does Not Exist.

There are plenty of right wing news outlets. If there is all this good news, why are they not reporting. I guess Fox has joined the greal liberal media conspiracy!

[wtmusic]

38. I'm hearing "W got bad advice"

Anything but, "I was wrong".

[tk2kewl]

40. MSNBC reporting today's good news ...

Little Mohammed al-Naseri made it to school this morning sustaining only a slight flesh wound.

[leftchick]

41. Direct them to the Yahoo Iraq Gallery

it is always full of good news....







YIKES!




Demonstrators protest for the resignation of the Baghdad mayor due to shortages in electricity and drinking water in front of the Baghdad Municipality, Tuesday, Aug. 9, 2005, in Baghdad, Iraq. The mayor of Baghdad, Alaa al-Timimi, has been fired and responsibility for managing the city transferred to the provincial governor, the chief government spokesman said Tuesday.(AP Photo/Karim Kadim)

... and the mayor did indeed resign!