Did Bush DELIBERATELY allow Bin Laden to escape from Tora Bora?

[Rex_Goodheart]

Would capturing Osama have diminished his case for an invasion of Iraq?

Didn't he refuse to drop a bomb on Zarqawi's head because of that motive?

I wonder.

No, actually, I don't wonder. I'm pretty sure that if Mr. Berntsen at the time had definitive evidence on the ground that Bin Laden was in Tora Bora and within our grasp then Tommy Franks knew it, and Donald Rumsfeld knew it, and Bush knew it. And then there's only one reason Bin Laden wasn't captured: Bush deemed it more advantageous politically to allow him to escape.

[LSparkle]

1. His power has stemmed from being able to keep us scared

so I wouldn't dismiss this as a "tin-foil hat" theory. Perpetual war is what he wants, so why REALLY try and capture the guy who can keep that going?

[pauldp]

2. Maybe it had something to do with the fact that Osama is the brother

of his old business partner?
:shrug:

Nahh. That's just a crazy coincidence. Right?


edit:typo

[tuvor]

5. Of course it's a coincidence. It'd be different

if it were Clinton, naturally.

[tuvor]

3. Osama bin Bogeyman

Why would bush want to capture the bogeyman, now, huh?

[seabeyond]

4. from the accounts i heard at the time, i think he did everything he

could to make sure obl escaped and listening to the soldiers that had him cornered they sounded like htey thought so too. remember he gave millions to the taliban before 9/11 and we dont know why, plus he is good friends with obl family. i dont think he is "allowed" to capture obl, personally.

[Junkdrawer]

6. As Michael Moore asked when he showed the Bush-Saudi links...

"Who's your Daddy?"

[FreedomAngel82]

12. Might be those who control him

Plus Bush gets rich too I'm sure.

[Eloriel]

7. Of course. And here's MY question --

did the CIA ever take bin Laden off their payroll??????

[SunDrop23]

8. Actually Bush is "not worried" about Bin Laden, IOW of course he did

[HysteryDiagnosis]

9. Remember the two captain Kirks.... one could not exist without the

other.... and that's pretty much how I see this whole thing playing out.... I've got lots and lots of tinfoil. :)

[ChairmanAgnostic]

10. how else could he beat the Iraqi war drum otherwise?

He needed Osama out there.
Osama, if captured alive, would have refuted any Iraqi connection. In that case, BAM! The neocon dream of oil domination disappears faster than a Clinton budget surplus.

If we could not "Find" him, then the plausible lies about Iraq could work.

It was all planned. Long before the election.

[FreedomAngel82]

13. Yep

Usama= Al-Quida. He can use 9/11 again of course. "Usama BinLaden is out there and is a good hider. Gotta keep the war going!" It's like the "war on drugs".

[ChairmanAgnostic]

18. ah, the war on drugs.

Let's attack doctors, med marijuana providers, but by all means, ignore meth.
Let's prevent funding of medical marijuana research, then claim that because there is no research, we cannot start any studies now.

Yep, you got it right. it is exactly like the war on drugs.

[libhill]

23. You should have said

long before 9/11. That's how I see it, and sadly, it's probably the truth.

[FreedomAngel82]

11. Of course

There was an article about this on MSNBC talking about this. One guy who as an ex CIA guy claimed he was there and that BinLaden did get away and it wasn't because of troop shortage and that John Kerry was right.

[BabboonBush]

20. John Kerry

should have been the next President. That's all I have to say.

[driver8]

14. Bush didn't let him escape...Cheney did.

There is no way that Bush could have come up with a plan like that.

[newswolf56]

15. One of the greatest anomalies of Bush Administration policy...

is the decidedly two-faced nature of the so-called "War on Terror": Bush speaking of "crusade" and "victory" even as he (1) allows the Saudis (including bin Laden relatives) free exit from the U.S. immediately after 9/11; (2) associates with American Arab/Muslim leaders accused of Jihadist extremism and/or terrorist connections; (3) maliciously defies the will of Congress by obstructing the Armed Pilots Program; (4) imposes on Air Marshals a dress code that makes their identity unmistakable to any would-be terrorist; (5) allows Osama bin Laden to escape; (6) "botches" Iraq so badly the imposition of Islamic theocracy is now unavoidable; (7) allows the world situation so manufactured to become the rationale for unprecedented oil price gouging, thereby facilitating an unprecedented concentration of wealth in the hands of the Bush oligarchy.

While the economic motive behind all this is obvious once one looks at how skyrocketing oil prices are siphoning the world's wealth into the tank-farms of Bush's family and friends, there is another far more devious, far more diabolical scheme at work too: that is Bush adviser Grover Norquist's plan to build an alliance of Christofascists and Muslims on the basis of mutual hatreds: of women, gays, ultimately liberty itself. This is in the context of an even more shadowy supra-political alliance between the conservative authorities of Christianity and Islam to battle modernity and "secularism" on every hand. Here are two links (one Leftist, one Rightist) on the Norquist-Islam connection and a third link on the fascist alliance of the two major Yehvehistic faiths:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=11209

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20010514&s=dreyfuss

http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,,1398055,00.html

Bottom line, I believe everything mentioned in my opening paragraphs -- oil prices, bin Laden's escape, the debacle in Iraq -- are all part of a methodical Bush (and possibly Saudi Arabian) plan for global domination -- a plan in which theocracy (whether Christian or Islamic) is not only to be used to sedate the masses but is the binding ideology of the rulers as well. That is also why Bush is pathologically indifferent to his standing in the polls: believing he has Yehveh on his side, Bush gives not a tinker's damn about public opinion -- much less constitutional governance.

[mwb970]

16. What might come out if Osama were put on trial? (n/t)

[quaoar]

17. Did he do it deliberately?

No. Not even a POS like Bush is that fucked in the head.

I think it was sheer incompetence, which is just as bad.

[agincourt]

19. A favor for the bush crime family,

always gives one a free pass.

[wli]

21. my take on Osama bin Laden (Bushler's Emmanuel Goldstein)

1. He was never off of CIA/whatever payrolls.
2. The Tora Bora incident sounds fabricated. Are we really supposed to believe this guy's carting dialysis machines from cave to cave in Afghanistan?
3. My guess is he probably died anyway despite being fully support and Bush, Cheney, et al paying his medical bills, and that this explains why there isn't a whole lot of material to make the fake tapes from anymore. But this isn't really crucial to any arguments.

[libhill]

22. As someone said a while back

in another thread, Bin Laden is the "gift that keeps on giving" - witness the way the Repukes ran him out, I mean, uh - the way they "discovered" that threatening Bin Laden statement on tape during the election campaign - how convenient for the Repukes.