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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:37 AM
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The best description of GOP lying EVER
Pass this around, it is a wonderful description of the festering pathology of NeoCons:

This is the hallmark of someone who is so hopelessly, sociopathically steeping in an entire, rickety Universe of interlocking faslehoods that they lie with every breath. They lie in private. They lie to themselves. As Scott Peck wrote about in “The People of the Lie”, these people have disappeared so completely into their depravity, they don’t lie like normal people do.

Lying is not a means to a particular end any more.

Lying is their oxygen, and the utterly False Reality they have constructed for themselves is the ONLY thing that matters to them. That Palace of Deception in which they live must be defended at all costs, because if any truth is allowed to penetrate – on any subject on which the Lord of the Manor has already lied – then the whole enterprise collapses.

So why do I go on at length about this?

Because I believe that, far from being powerful and surging, the GOP is in fact trapped and doomed, and if we’re smart enough to capitalize on, it we really can take this country back.

I mean, we know they’re lying and, more and more, the facts on the ground are making them look progressively more ridiculous and borderline insane...so who are they lying to?

The answer is, their base.

The reliable base who happily sit like baby chicks and believes every little thing that the traitors in their party regurgitate into their mouths. The have no critical thinking facilities. No higher brain function. The GOP has carefully cultivated these Christopaths as their loyal orc army. Pig-ignorant, Creationist-ranting fucktards bred for loyalty and their ability to vote Republican as automatically and mindlessly as a meth whore raising nickel-bag money one $2 handjob at a time.

http://driftglass.blogspot.com/2005/07/this-is-what-it-sounds-like.html

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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:41 AM
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1. Oh, shit. I just figgered out the acronym:
ORC=Order of Righteous Christians.

Bush & his ORCs.
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:46 AM
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3. Rings true! n/t
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:49 AM
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5. Way cool!!
May I use it?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:58 AM
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6. You may, but a second possibility has occurred to me:
Order of Religious Crazies.

Your choice.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:13 AM
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13. Both work
:)
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BulletproofLandshark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:43 AM
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2. DAAAAAAMMMMMMNNNNNN!
That last line in your excerpt really brings it home.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:48 AM
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4. Read the WHOLE thing
it is BLISTERING!

Mail to a deserving Vichy Democrat in your area:

That was the astonishment of his re-election: that 51 million Americans looked a criminal in the eye, steeped in his crimes to the point of bloody saturation...and then looked at a genuine war hero, a grown-up and, for all his flaws, more of a statesman in any contiguous five minute period than Bush has ever been his whole, sorry life...

...and said, “I’d like a double scoop of Criminal Dumbass please. With extra treasonous sprinkles!
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BulletproofLandshark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:02 AM
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7. I just finished reading it
and I think I'll have to bookmark this page. Great stuff!
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:09 PM
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17. OUCH!
"I'd like a double scoop of Criminal Dumbass please. With extra treasonous sprinkles!" :spank:
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firefox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:13 AM
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8. Lying is a tool to government
If you develop a cannabis perspective you will see that lying is just a tool to government. "Marijuana is a dangerous and addictive drug" and "Marijuana has no medical value" are the big lies that Hitler talked about that would be believed if repeated continually. Lying is not some sin to government. I say this to be accurate- lying is a tool to government.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:16 AM
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9. True, and I have said many times...
..the only thing more important than the quest for truth is recognizing a lie. While knowing the truth will set you free, knowing a lie for what it is will keep you out of bondage in the first place.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:17 AM
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10. Is the "fucktards" really needed
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 10:17 AM by nolabels
Like the :mad: part is understandable. We really all here know much worse than that, but elaboration and a wider audience would be even better. How about 'inbred morons' for fucktards and for "$2 handjob' with just 'cheap two dollar tricks' or something. Just a suggestion because being profane is tantamount to being emotional or passing which none of them persons or subjects are.

btw my writing is much worse, but I do like that rant, hate english but it does have it's points too
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:33 AM
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11. *shrug*
Words are harmless, context is dangerous.

I think people are WAY too hung up on taboos about profanity.

Personaly, I oppose profanity for profanity's sake. Profanity just splattered into a conversation is boring. I prefer creative uses of profanity.

Calling someone a "son of a bitch" or a "mother fucker" is lame. Calling them the "degenerate spawn of a maggot fuck" is memorable. People will REMEMBER that.

"fucktards" and "$2 handjob" weave an imagery of sordid degeneracy the other words don't. It creates stark contrast with the proper, dignified and respectable image the NeoCons pretend they have, and shows them for the squalid creatures they are.

Just my opinion, YMMV.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:01 PM
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16. Profanity can be distracting.
I like the subtle kind of profanity that sneaks in the back door and bites the reader in the ass.

Here's something I just cooked up, albeit a bit raw:

"Supreme Court nominee John Roberts seems to be very good at what he does, but I question the depth of his experience. He has never worked the mean streets outside the comfortable suites of the corporate whorehouses he has always practiced in."


The very profane image of an overly eager John Roberts giving some decrepit old corporate rat bastard like Dick Cheney a good hard spanking followed by a blow job is still there, but the small profnaity of "whorehouses" doesn't immediately distract from anything more substantial I might write.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:13 PM
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21. But some would
dismiss the argument over the use of the word "whore" and tell you not to write it that way as it demeans you argument.

To me, it does no such thing.

(I personally do not even consider "whore house" profane)

I think Driftglass uses just the right mix of harsh language in his writing.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:10 PM
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18. The memorable part I agree with but the over used words for curse
or the ridicule of sick members of of our society instead of the people who help make them that way only perpetuates it. Like it's clear thats how things are and all that, but the on high approach with the crescendo leaves one a feeling of missing.

The taboo of profanity serves the purpose of keeping degradation of many things at arms length, including language itself. The dumbing down of language or the total kidnapping of it by others that might be considered the other side is what it is all about.

The cheap wholesale whorish salesmanship only happened after these jaundiced appendages felt they had control. The control they had envisioned was that of determining exactly who was allowed to say of what or which persons were culturally viable. The egg had to be laid before it could ever hatch.

Word are ideas tied up with the element of noise, giving our thinking a way to be expressed. Only my opinion of course also
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:08 PM
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20. Certainly, a point
The taboo of profanity serves the purpose of keeping degradation of many things at arms length, including language itself. The dumbing down of language or the total kidnapping of it by others that might be considered the other side is what it is all about.

I am less offended by the profanity "kidnapping" the language than I am the abuse of words to hide, or distract from, the truth.

When a government toady says, "The unfortunate use of deadly force against the individual must be measured against the greater context of the war on terror." he is molesting the language, removing emotion and feeling and anything else human from the statement.

When I "translate" the remark in my blog to: "Since we are too goddamned stupid to be able to tell the difference between a Brazilian and an Arab, we blew his fucking head off and blamed it on Osama bin Laden." I return the humanity and impact and, hopefully, stir up the missing outrage.

Visceral language is needed to convey visceral images and emotions.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 03:35 PM
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22. The white man shoot first, ask question later
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 03:40 PM by nolabels
Like so clotured in the ethnocentric of the tribe that one tone of brown skin seems much the same as another to these little lizard brains. Well of course they riddled his head with lead how else would they know he's dead.

If you are not like us, then you must be subhuman. It is not a culture thing or genetic, it is the culture that thinks its genetics are the end all-be all. After being ridiculed in a foreign language when the other parties involved believe the one being dissed doesn't understand it would be quite plain to see how it works.

But yea the words do matter a lot but how and where they are placed also matters. The victim often turns into the aggressor given enough time. When enough words are involved thus solving the problems with dialog. It becomes life affirming and more efficient than the aggressive action (they like Kill,Kill,Kill). Kidnapping the language makes peaceful dialog not attainable. Like so what business with Kill,Kill,Kill like again? Guns and weapons, mass-media, religion, schools and training, security?

I like words because they also give legitimacy, simple talk to heart words like 'they shot out his brains'

When a government toady says, "The unfortunate use of deadly force against the individual must be measured against the greater context of the war on terror." he is molesting the language, removing emotion and feeling and anything else human from the statement.

Is only able to be said because the toady is in the boiling pot with the rest of us frogs and we let him get away with it to that point. This the Incrementalism into Hell.

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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:41 PM
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28. Excellent wording.....
my B.A. in English couldn't have produced such raw imagery. Brilliant!!

their ability to vote Republican as automatically and mindlessly as a meth whore raising nickel-bag money one $2 handjob at a time. I have no qualms with constructive use of profanity.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:53 AM
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12. Also: Logically, falsity implies anything.
When all your premises and conclusions are false, the implied statements are inherently true (ie., non-false)

Consider the statement: If A, then B.
Suppose: A is false.
Suppose: B is false.

Logically, then the statement "If A, then B" is TRUE, while nonsensical.

Sound bizarre, but it's true.

And it's how freepers argue.

Example:
"if 3=4, then I am a green monkey". Prove me wrong!

There is a technical term for this logical silliness, but it escapes me at the moment.

Kudos to anyone who can provide a bona fide freeper example of this.

see http://www.cut-the-knot.org/do_you_know/falsity.shtml

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Syncronaut Seven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:14 AM
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14. There's some good stuff here!
"This is why Bush surrounding himself with eely sycophants is becoming such a disaster for Republicans. Why the “Flowers for Algernon” popularity of Bush that artificially peaked during the months following 9/11 enough to make tragedy-blinded GOPhers actually elide right over the fact that he was still a vicious, half-bright drunk, has stopped being Marx Brothers funny and every day becomes more and more the last act of MacBeth."

This guy's a pretty good writer! Nice vivid imagery.

's what I've been saying for years now, when the base realizes how badly they have been taken they're going to be powerfull pissed.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:31 AM
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15. Hunter S. Thompson lives
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:29 PM
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19. Animal Farm
the pigs lie all the time and the animals believe it. why should they doubt it?

same old story, just different characters.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 03:48 PM
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23. Nice find Kelvin! That one's a keeper, for sure. nm
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:24 PM
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25. Added him to my blog roll
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:10 PM
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24. Rightard Impregnation and Infiltration Project(RIIP)
bred for loyalty and their ability to vote Republican

Still looking for volunteers at the Rightard Impregnation and Infiltration Project(RIIP)



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Gay Green Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 08:32 PM
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27. I'd join you in a NY minute
if men could get pregnant.
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Hun Joro Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:24 PM
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26. Christopaths! I love that!
I must incorporate that word into my vocabulary.
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