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cannabis_flower Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:53 AM
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Rolling Stones Threatened with Boycott
PRESIDENT Bush takes it on the chin in the new Rolling Stones tune "Sweet Neo Con." In the most political song from their upcoming "A Bigger Bang" album, Mick Jagger sings: "You call yourself a Christian, I call you a hypocrite/ You call yourself a patriot. Well, I think your are full of !" Jagger tells Newsweek he's not sweating possible repercussions. "I think is a bit worried because he lives in the U.S.," crows the English rocker. "But I don't."

Since I watch the opposition at Free Republic ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1459653/posts ) to stay aware of what the Repugs are saying I have become aware of a threatened boycott of the Rolling Stones album, concerts and sponsors. You can read about it at the above link.

Sponsors:

Contacts: Christine Bunch, Ameriquest Mortgage Company, 949-955-1439, cbunch@ameriquest.com;

Mark Beal, Alan Taylor Communications, 212-714-1280, mark@alantaylor.com

Rolling Stone's record company contacts:

Patti Conte
Virgin Records
212-786-8350
patti.conte@virgin-records.com

Tracy Zamot
Virgin Records
212-786-8370
tracy.zamot@virgin-records.com

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8716688

Rolling Stones team with NFL and ABC


(Aug. 8, 2005) -- The worlds of music and football will collide this year as the legendary Rolling Stones will partner with the NFL and ABC for a season-long campaign.

The Rolling Stones will help kick off the 2005 season from their "A Bigger Bang" world tour with footage from their Aug. 31 concert in Detroit as part of "NFL Opening Kickoff 2005" -- a one-hour pregame special on ABC at 8 p.m. ET on Thursday, Sept. 8.

ABC also will feature music and video footage of The Rolling Stones throughout the 2005 season in its Monday Night Football promotional campaigns and in-game highlight and tease packages. The campaign will feature new music from their highly anticipated CD, A Bigger Bang, to be released on Virgin Records on Sept. 6, along with hits from their catalog.

The release of A Bigger Bang follows the Aug. 21 tour kickoff at Fenway Park in Boston as they once again bring fans electrifying performances and state-of-the-art stage production. For additional ticket information, go to tickemaster.com.

The Rolling Stones' performance in "NFL Opening Kickoff 2005" is part of a football and music celebration of the NFL's "Road to Forty" season that will look back at the history of the Super Bowl, honor the Super Bowl champion New England Patriots and down the road to Super Bowl XL, slated for Feb. 5, 2006 in Detroit on ABC. Other acts will be announced shortly.

"NFL Opening Kickoff 2005" will air from 8-9 p.m. (ET) on ABC and lead into the season opener between the Patriots and Oakland Raiders at Gillette Stadium -- a rematch of the memorable 2001 AFC divisional playoff "blizzard" game (ABC, 9 p.m. ET).


So far no one has posted a contact for the NFL but there are comments posted that threaten a backlash.

The NFL can be reached at:

National Football League
280 Park Avenue
New York, NY 10017

Please circulate this widely so we can make this album the Rolling Stones biggest album ever and can keep the Freepers from Dixie Chicking the Rolling Stones.


--
Tami Halphen
A Blue Activist in a Red State -http://blueactivist.blogspot.com
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:55 AM
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1. Wow. I can almost forgive them for pimping Windows 95. (nt)
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:07 AM
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13. LOL! Very Funny!
n/t
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:56 AM
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2. Yeah, I'm sure the Rolling Stones are consumed with worry
These guys have been dealing with pointy-headed backlash since at least 1967. Somehow I don't see this Bush League tempest affect Mick and Keith in the least.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:57 AM
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4. They're laughing
all the way to the bank.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:06 AM
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12. No kidding. Probably the first time they've had this much fun in decades.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:56 AM
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3. I haven't purchased a Stones album in decades...
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 09:57 AM by Zenlitened
... but you can be sure I'll pick this one up.

In fact, my entire Stones collection is on vinyl. Might be time to upgrade...

:hi:
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lilymidnite Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:59 AM
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7. Me too ...
It'll go well with the Dixie Chicks CD I bought a couple of years ago.

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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:10 AM
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14. Not really a Stones fan, but Hot Rocks has all the classics...
I could listen to that forever...
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:28 AM
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25. I like a good deal of their albums...

...but I hate the "classics" because they are played to death.

Their Satanic Majesty's Request is my fav. One of the most overlooked all-time psychedelic greats.

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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:18 AM
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47. True. "Satanic" is dismissed as faddish.
But it has some great tunes.

I'm glad the Stones are still in the fray. Sir Mick has not forgotten where he came from.

--IMM
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:52 AM
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30. I know what you mean but this is a must have for me
Good on them!
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:12 PM
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70. me too!
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:58 AM
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5. The Stones aren't the Dixie Chicks...
For starters, country music fans, as a very, very broad generalization, are often conservative. Which makes a conservative boycott of a country act much more likely to succeed.
Second, The Chicks' album sales were relatively unscathed, as were concert sales. Radio play suffered, but the Stones' new stuff doesn't get played on a lot of radio anyway.
And finally, it's the fucking Rolling Stones, for God's sake. I don't care if they sing about killing baby Jesus on their next album. No Stones boycott will succeed.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:15 AM
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46. Didn't matter with them, either.
That album went to No. 1 shortly after the Dixie Chicks made that statement about Bush; despite all the hand-wringing by the Reich wing.
Boycotts now only serve to actually HELP promote an album or product.
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:43 AM
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57. Regarding concert sales for the Chicks
The concerts were pretty much all sold out prior to Maines making her comments so I wouldn't use concert revenue as a measure on whether the comments hurt them or not.

The test will be to see what happens with any new release. It's possible that the group may ditch the county audience altogether.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:59 AM
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6. Great
If the boycott works (which I doubt) and the NFL cancels the deal, it will bring national attention to the song and NFL fans will have a brief exposure to a little reality.

It'll be as good as Bill O'liely suing Al Franken.
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:00 AM
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8. Are we still fighting about the 60's or what?
I mean, doesn't it seem that way to you sometimes? That all the squares who didn't get it are in charge now and exacting payback on those damn dirty hippies? Seriously, get over it squares.

I wasn't alive then, so I'm just askin' those that were.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:03 AM
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10. Yup....you'll occasionally hear some right wing loon
piss and moan aloud about "60's values" or some such shit.
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:12 AM
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15. Those whiny conservatives. Sheesh.
"Wah wah wah, The Rolling Stones don't agree with us."

Cry me a river pal, and enjoy your Pat Boone.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:02 PM
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68. It really is pathetic, isn't it?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:21 AM
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20. you hit it right on the head..
It particularly burns my ass that we're not dealing with the political heirs of the sons-of-bitches, or the kids of the sons-of-bitches (with one notable exception) but it's the SAME DAMN SONS-OF-BITCHES as the first time around!!
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:36 AM
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26. It's totally insane...
and infuriating that it is, as you said, the same damn sons of bitches. (Well put, by the way).

I hate to say anything bad about Baby Boomers, as "thems the loins what sprung me," but it's really strange growing up under a generation that in many respects still hasn't gotten over their teenage years. (That's not entirely bad, but it is weird). I'm writing an essay right now about that and pop culture (still extremely rough) called "How Baby Boomers Ruined It For Everyone (and Why It Was Worth It)," in an attempt to explain what I mean by that "teenage" statement. If it turns out well, maybe I'll post it on DU somewhere.
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:55 AM
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34. I'd be interested to read it
As I'm an ancient hippie that still can't give it up.
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:01 AM
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39. ...
I'll be sure to post it then. Probably won't be done for 2 weeks or so though.

I don't think you should give it up, necessarily. (That's where the parenthetical part of the title comes from). The part that nags at me is marketing. But you'll see it when it's done and hopefully it will make sense. :)
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:12 AM
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43. Ooh, what bothers me about marketing
Is hearing my old heroes songs as commercial fodder.

Selling out breaks my heart.
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:21 AM
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48. That's what bothers me too...
My mom was was so pissed that she was in tears when Imagine was in commercials. That's also when I got the "marketing is evil" speech from my dad. (He's a freak, but he's my freak).
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:18 PM
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61. I'd like to have a beer with your dad!!!
Using Led Zepplin to sell Cadillacs is just WRONG!
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:35 PM
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64. He does love beer...

Next time I see him I'll have one for you.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:27 AM
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51. Don't overlook the "Beatniks"
A strong precursor of the sixties revolution.

--IMM
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:39 AM
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54. I've always thought of them as
the cool older brothers/sisters in relation to the 60's folks. (I have no idea if that's accurate, but it's the perception I've got). If you feel like it, email me some of your thoughts about it. I'd be interested to read them.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:14 PM
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78. Sound about right.
Check you inbox.

--IMM
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:25 AM
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23. back then we called them short-hairs or hardhats & goat-ropers
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 10:31 AM by MindPilot
They were either the "Okie From Muskogee" cowboy types who chewed tobacco, drove a pickup truck, and had an IQ in the single digits, or the goody-two-shoes christian nerds. In either case they were too uncool to get laid, too chicken to get high, and medically disqualified from military service.

The common bumper-stickers for them were "America: Love it or leave it" "Keep America Beautiful, Kill a Hippie" "I'm a Roper, Not a Doper" "{Peace Sign}: Footprint of the American Chicken".

It's fun to watch them still be mad about it.
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:38 AM
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27. "It's fun to watch them still be mad about it..."
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 10:38 AM by jane_pippin
That just means you all did your jobs back then, as far as I'm concerned.

:toast:
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:10 AM
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42. Thanks for noticing!! That sounds like a very interesting piece
you're working on.

When I was doing stand-up, one of my bits was about being a boomer parent. "It's hard having a teenager when you come from my generation. I mean, I find myself having to make rules I would've never gone for at his age. Just the other night, I'm telling him 'look, you can't DO acid on a school night...'"

The whole boomer thing and how it split down the ideological middle is something I still have conversations about with my old high school buddies. (I'm 50) I try to figure out what makes someone from that generation support Bush--you know after all we've been through. We grew up literally hiding under our desks from atomic bombs while being promised "electricity too cheap to meter". Imagine going through high school KNOWING graduation would be followed by a trip to Vietnam. From civil rights to the moon landing, we were there for a lot. There was a huge "generation gap" between us and our parents. My dad would walk by my and hear the Who and yell "turn that shit down!" I walk by my kid's room, hear the Who and yell "turn that shit up." Some random thoughts...I'd love to read your piece, please email it to me when your done.
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:26 AM
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50. thanks...
I can't grasp what that must have been like. It just has always seemed so epic to me (probably because it was). For all my whining about boomers I have to admit that I seldom get tired of hearing about what it was like to be my age then.

I'll certainly email it to you. Be prepared, however, for questions about stand-up to come with that email. I want to be a comedy writer more than anything. Speaking of, your joke: :rofl:
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:44 AM
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58. there were theories going around that Clinton was about the 60s
like you said, they went after Clinton as they saw him as that whole counter culture crowd who they think ruined America.

I think its a pretty good theory.

But the Stones? Pulleeze. That's like attacking our gods.

Long live Sir Mick and Keith.
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:35 PM
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63. Oh, absolutely! It's been obvious for 10-15 years now that
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 12:36 PM by LandOLincoln
the RW upsurge is all about payback for the '60s.

From Bill (Snapping Turtle) Bennett's dissing of his former date Janis Joplin, to the entire wingnut pile-on on Bill (Dr. Sax) Clinton--the first rock'n'roll president--it's all about Revenge of the Nerds.

And now the Stones have thrown down the 60's rock gauntlet, just like Paul Hackett (and Wes Clark and John Kerry and Max Cleland) have thrown down the soldier/Marine/war hero gauntlet, and Cindy Sheehan has thrown down the Gold Star Mothers' gauntlet.

Poor Dubya Chickenhawk, cowering and whimpering in his pig farm while that pile of gloves grows and grows outside his door...

(edit for typo)
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:48 PM
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66. Well said.
David Letterman often quotes Martin Mull, "Hollywood is just high school with money."

Seems like the same thought could be applied to this "culture war" business.

I love that image of gloves piling up. That's it exactly. And in my imagination, each one has "Bring it on" stitched onto the middle finger.
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:14 PM
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71. Lordy Lou, what a wonderful image! LMAO!
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 01:14 PM by LandOLincoln
"And in my imagination, each one has "Bring it on" stitched onto the middle finger."

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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:19 PM
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72. BTW, I always heard it as
"Life is just high school with bar privileges," which may be a tad more apropos, overall. :evilgrin:
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:40 PM
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73. lol! That's a good one too, and it does fit.
Thanks for the laugh and kind words in your other post. Let's call it a group effort on the glove image. :thumbsup:

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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:43 PM
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74. You're ON! and thanks for your kind words. n/t
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:12 PM
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77. Yes! The Beatles' philosophy ("love, love, love") and the Hippie Digger
philosophy ("free food, free clothes, free medical care, free love, free weed") were the biggest threat to Korporate Amerika's Konsumer Kulture ever to arise since Jesus whipped the money-changers in the Temple (only thing he ever got mad at).

Love has to be a commodity. It has to cost money. It cannot be free. And if you give it (or anything) away, you threaten the very foundation of predatory Kapitalism. All things must cost.

The Hippies were the closest thing we've ever had to the earliest Christians, who were communal, and egalitarian. Almost communist (minus the "dictator"). And true Christianity is about as impractical as it can be, when regarded by the cold eyes of predatory Kapitalism. Jesus gave EQUAL VALUE to Martha, the busy worker--cleaning the house, cooking the food,--and to Mary, who sat at his feet quietly listening and praying. When Mary was criticized for "doing nothing," Jesus defended her apparent inactivity as having equal value with hard work.

The Hippies were mostly criticized for "doing nothing." For being non-productive. The most frequent charge thrown at antiwar protesters in the Sixties, by drive-by yahoos, was "Get a job!", which didn't make any sense to the doctor, or teacher, or mother, who was demonstrating against the war. Most had jobs. It was meant for the "Hippies" who were either students (sort of half-Hippies, weekend Hippies), or people who were actually living an alternative, low-key lifestyle, sometimes in communes, in which they didn't need much money, because they weren't into acquiring a lot of things. They appeared to be idle moochers because they weren't slaving away to pay off a mortgage or buy a new car. It suited the drive-by yahoos to regard all antiwar protesters this way--even if they obviously were not Hippies.

Neither thing--the Hippies or the early Christians--could survive long in societies based on acquisition (money, land). The early Christians were soon supplanted by empire-builders and "patriarchs." And the Hippies, after the brief glory of "love, love, love," mostly faded back into the accumulative, ego-centric society we see around us now. Some never lost their ideals--and have become, oh, organic farmers, artists, peace activists, the founders of non-profit groups--but the notion of living for free (via sharing) in a society in which everything has a price didn't last long.

Also, the hippie communities, and the youth rock culture, were soon flooded with bad drugs; and rock music was commercialized and corporatized. The initial inspiration slipped away. And the ridicule and hatred of those ideas have never ceased--with the corporate news monopoly depiction of long-haired, unhealthy-looking, drug-addict criminals, and other "hippie" stereotypes.

There was also the horror of the "Manson Murders"--supposed hippies who committed atrocious murders in Hollywood in 1969--an event that seemed designed to destroy all communal ideals. I remember that's when I stopped hitchhiking. Free rides, anywhere, in perfect safety, was the norm at that time; and any flowery VW van meant food, warmth, friendliness and good music, and getting wherever you needed to go, at no cost. After the Manson Murders, that feeling of freedom and safety was gone.

The other big factor in all this--in the huge cultural changes that were stirring in the '60s--was the Vietnam War. The "cannon fodder" were supposed to shut up and play their part in the big, war profiteering monster that the U.S. was saddled with at the end of WW II, and that moved onto Korea, then to Vietnam. This is not true capitalism in any sense (competition, "free trade"), but rather was huge corporations, even then going global, who merely sucked on U.S. taxpayers as on a big tit, and had to keep war going in order to keep those sweet billions flowing their way. And young American males were expected to wave the flag and join up, and go slaughter peasants in Asia, and be slaughtered. They were not expected to think or question, or to resist being so used.

But they did--most especially because of the Draft (forced soldiering). And the two ideas--"love, love, love" and NOT being the willing "cannon fodder" for senseless war--intersected. BOTH things were profoundly threatening to the powers-that-be, for whom everything must have a price (that they get most of, in profit) and for whom war had become an ADDICTION. They MUST have war, to keep the engine of the U.S. war economy going--an economic engine based on TAXPAYERS feeding big military contractors and subsidizing big corporations with tax breaks and many other benefits, in the name of "national security."

The "threat of communism" was almost completely an invention of this perpetual war machine. For instance, Vietnam had an elected president, Ho Chi Minh (U.N. monitored elections in 1954). Ho Chi Minh was an admirer of Thomas Jefferson and quoted the Declaration of Independence in letters to our government. He was the leader of the resistance to the FRENCH occupation and colonization of Vietnam. The Vietnamese fought for their independence and achieved it, after WW II. Further, the Vietnamese had experienced thousands of years of resisting Chinese invasions, and maintaining their independence. Their freely elected government was communistic, but they were not about to be the pawns of any big country, communist or otherwise. Their passion, their heart, was in independence. And they ironically thought that the U.S. government would support that desire.

The U.S. could have cultivated Vietnam as an ally--as it could have a number of other countries in rebellion against colonialism and into creating governments that were more just and more democratic than any that had gone before them (Cuba, Chile, the Congo, Iran, Nicaragua--the list is long and heartbreaking). Instead, the U.S. saw everything as a war game against "communism." The idea of workers sharing the wealth certainly sent chills through the corporate board rooms--but that was not WHY "communism" became "the enemy," not in the main. The U.S. war machine HAD to have an "enemy" and therefore pretty much invented one--just as it has done today! "Terrorism" is NOT a military problem, and CANNOT be solved by military means--but it has been magically transformed into the ILLUSION of a military problem by the invasion and occupation of Iraq, for the purpose of keeping the war machine going, and for profligate war profiteering, beyond anything dreamed of before.

The U.S. could have acknowledged the justice of the workers' and peasants' cause in Soviet Russia (if ever there was an oligarchy that deserved overturning, it was that one), and sought peace with the Russians, rather than driving them into paranoia and the building of nuclear arsenals. The "Cold War" was utter madness. Even a limited nuclear exchange will kill all life on earth (as Carl Sagan explained in his book "The Cold and the Dark"). Why keep that madness up? Because it was LUCRATIVE. It served the war machine.

Anyway, into this madness came the Beatles (and their shadow selves, the Stones), and the Diggers, and the Jefferson Airplane, and the Flower Children, and the Civil Rights movement, and the Free Speech movement, and a whole lot of people whose eyes were opening up, all protesting the whole absurd paradigm of war and "smashing communism" and putting a price on everything. What on earth were we doing, sending U.S. boys to Southeast Asia to kill peasants in straw hats and sandals who were fighting for their independence--for their CHOICE of governments? What was so great about our own rather empty "consumer society" that we would think we had the right to do this?

Back up one step more, and figure in the JFK assassination in 1963. JFK's youth, and intelligence and humor, and liberalism, were combined with a committed "cold warrior." With his death, that combination ceased to be attractive. The "cold war" became absurd to most young people. It was no longer represented by a stirring and inspiring figure. That representative had been ripped away--leaving the "cold war" quite naked as a war profiteering death machine.

This movement for change grew very, very fast, and very big--and became a profound shift of consciousness that is difficult to describe, it was so multifaceted, and such a big break from the past in so many ways. The no-nukes movement. The environmental movement. The women's movement. The civil rights movement. The movements for equal rights for gays, Lesbians, the handicapped, and other minority groups. The product safety/corporate accountability movement (Ralph Nader). The ecumenical movement within churches and synagogues. It was an astonishing era--of which the Hippies were merely the leading edge (a fundamental questioning of everything having a price--predatory capitalism, consumerism). And it was all-encompassing. It touched nearly everyone at once, in some aspect of their lives. And what it added up to was an overwhelming progressive majority--committed to new ideas of peace and justice.

The right wing was a cauldron of hatred at that time--as it still seems to be. It has never had anything positive to offer. Bush's handlers have tried to give it a positive spin--a sort of Christian "manifest destiny," but that is really old hat (and in truth very negative--a Christian jihad, in effect). The bigots, the war-mongers, the McCarthyites, the sexually repressed, and the have's (property owners, and the rich--so-called "conservatives," who want things to stay the same, because they have it all)--seethed with resentment at this amazing opening of consciousness, and rightwing billionaires formed "think tanks" to defeat it--to reinstitute repression of women; to recreate unthinking "cannon fodder"; to gain iron-fisted control over American culture with media monopolies; to recycle the "demonization" of targeted minorities (then, it was blacks and Catholics--no kidding!--now it's gays); to privatize everything and put a price on it (schools, parks, beaches, medical care, elections); to destroy the liberal base (the prosperous middle and break-even lower classes); to recolonize third world countries with global corporate piracy, and to wipe any "hippie" ideas off the face of the earth.

It started in California with tuition (sold as minor "user fees") in California's then-free university system, under Reagan (and with the tax code re-write, greatly favoring the rich, when he became president). It was under Reagan that homeless people began to haunt our cities. Not since the Great Depression had we seen people "fall through the net" and end up on the streets in such numbers--it almost never happened.

As for war, the Democrats had learned something from Vietnam (it had torn the party asunder), and the Democratic Congress forbade the government to conduct covert wars. Reagan defied this law, and funded death squads in Nicaragua and El Salvador. There were prosecutions for it (including some current Bush regime members), but Reagan got off scott free, probably because of the re-write of the tax code, and the growing divide between Democratic have's and have-not's. The Democrats remained progressive on social issues and on war, but not on economics (concluding, finally, with Clinton and the global "free trade" agreements--outsourcing of millions of jobs, destruction of worker protections and unions, and recolonization of the third world). The Democrats also continued mostly favoring military spending and the war machine, but were more responsible and cost-conscious than either Reagan or Bush I/II (profligate military spenders). (Some "conservatism," huh?)

The rightwing and its war profiteers were determined to stamp out peace and justice, and liberalism, and the awesome consciousness that had arisen in the Sixties, and to bend the U.S. to its will. They've succeeded in crumbling the foundation of that generous, progressive spirit--the economic prosperity of the 50s, 60s, and 70s. And with Bush II, they have succeeded in seizing all of the reigns of power, but they have won few hearts and minds.

Let me just give you a few stats: 58% of the American people opposed the Iraq war BEFORE the invasion. I will never forget that number. Feb. '03. Before all the lies were exposed, before the full horror and costs were known. 58%! Across the board in all polls.

That is the legacy of Vietnam--and of the lessons learned from the terrible carnage of that unjust war. And that is the legacy of all of the hippies and the rockers and peace activists and draft dodgers and all the rebels of the Sixties who opposed it, and posited a new idea: peacefulness.

The great majority of Americans automatically distrusted any big war scheme like that--and continue to oppose it today in even greater numbers. (The only exception was a brief dip in the opposition during the actual invasion, with US troops at high risk.)

We just can't get our will enforced. I will get to that in a moment, but first...

63% of the American people oppose torture UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. May '04.
Not a fearful people, no. A people that sticks to its sense of justice, and ethics and lawfulness, despite relentless fearmongering. 63%. Yet we now have Alberto Gonzales, the torture memo writer, as chief law enforcement officer of the U.S.

Name the issue. The Iraq war. Torture. Social Security. The deficit. Women's rights. The majority of Americans oppose every major Bush policy, foreign and domestic, way up in the 60% to 70% range.

They have not defeated the Sixties movement for peace and justice, so they have had to impose their agenda of war and repression upon us. They have had to DISENFRANCHISE the majority--literally, with Bushite companies now counting all the votes using secret, proprietary software. They've corporatized and privatized our elections--for two purposes, war and massive thievery by the rich (injustice).

The rich and the ugly and the greedy and the bigoted couldn't stand it that the majority of Americans wanted peace. And just like the inquisitors and witch-burners before them, they cannot gain legitimate power; they are a minority--they always have been, and they always will be. To have power they must impose it, by violence and by stealth.

They never agreed with the consensus of most Americans on the rights of black citizens, women and others, or on the overwhelming revulsion at the Vietnam war and desire for peace. In their little minds, I think they blame it all on "hippies and drugs"--and are still battling against that Hippie/Digger idea of sharing the wealth, kicking back, enjoying life, taking a mind trip, listening to the Beatles and "doing nothing." It was highly subversive in Jesus' time. It still is.

Can you imagine saying that to Jesus: "Get a job!" (Yeah, Ann Coulter probably would.)

Within that meditative state of "doing nothing"--however you may achieve it--where you are at ease, and at peace, because all around you are sharing whatever they have with you, and you have nothing to worry about--you will not starve, you will not be alone, you will not be homeless--you realize that the need for "enemies" is a sickness of the heart, and that "love thine enemy" are the profoundest words ever spoken.

That is what the rightwing and its war profiteer backers are still fighting--not the Hippies, which were just a brief little flowery thing that wafted away--but Jesus and what he really said. Can't have nukes and a war machine economy with nobody to hate.
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:00 AM
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9. don't worry.....the freepers cannot "dixie chick" the stones.......
the stones are the greatest rock and roll band. freepers are a handful of pathetic rednecks and assorted white trash. freepers are insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:54 AM
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31. They can't get no satisfaction.
That's for sure.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:05 AM
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11. Oh, No!
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 10:05 AM by onehandle
This must be a real concern for some lads* with hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars.



*So what if they're in their sixties?
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:16 AM
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16. i called up virgin records.........
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:17 AM
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17. Shoulda just done an upgrade of one of their classics...
Heart of Stone.

Defines the Chimperor to a T.


Cuz you'll never touch, never touch, never touch
Never touch, this heart of stone.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:19 AM
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18. Boycott the Stones?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Oh my.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:26 AM
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24. that was my reaction
boycott the stones


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:56 AM
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36. Seriously! *l* This is like that Disneyworld boycott *lol*
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 10:56 AM by GreenPartyVoter
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:56 AM
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37. That was EXACTLY the reaction I had.
I thought, hell if they boycott, I can get better seats.

What stupid fucks.
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BulletproofLandshark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:20 AM
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19. The freeper threat is MEANINGLESS!
The Stones have been selling out everywhere they go for decades,and somehow a few right-wing knuckle-draggers think they can hurt them financially. Then again, anyone who still supports the neocon agenda at this point probably isn't very bright to start with.
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:22 AM
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21. I can't stand the Rolling Stones, but I'll buy this one.
I loved their older stuff (prior to, say, 1977), but I think they've been pretty lame since the 80s. Maybe they're finding their voice again.

Whatever the case, you can be sure I'll pick up a copy of this CD. I wonder how many people out there are going to ask, "What's a neocon?", then Google it and finally see the ugly truth.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:22 AM
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22. You know they knew this could and would
happen knowing the neocon mentality. They are looking for a good fight, it only promotes their albums and concerts. Good deal for everyone-almost everyone!
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:44 AM
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28. I'm laughing my ass off
Ban the Stones. Knowing Mick's past and his financial philosophy, he knew exactly what would happen and it is a day after it was reported. Way to go Mick. He got them hook, line and sinker.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:49 AM
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29. Ha ha. Like fweeps would have bought the new Stones CD anyway.
I doubt there are many Stones CDs mixed in with their flag-draped collection of Lee Greenfield, Toby Keith and Randy Travis, et al.

This will have as much impact as me launching a boycott of Faux Snooze. No one I know watches that crap network anyway.
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:59 AM
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38. Actually there are. I saw some yesterday on a RS board
When I was looking for more lyrics to this song. They were bemoaning that the message board was taken over by leftwingers spouting their political views. It was funny.

But there's still not enough that would make a dent of a boycott. Hehehe.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:54 AM
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32. LOL!
Every announced show on the 2005 tour is sold out.
How do you boycott a sold-out show?

Perhaps the boycotters could say: "These shows sold out immediately after they were announced months ago, but if tickets were available we suggest that you hypothetically not buy them".

Morons.
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Stirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:55 AM
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33. You know, I never once considered boycotting Toby Keith.
Of course, I don't listen to shit anyway, so it was easy. But still- why do right wingers always leap to boycot artists that disagree with them? And while we're considering this issue, why do only shitty artists agree with them?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:56 AM
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35. The Rightwing boycotting the truth again---they hate truth
Truth is bullshit's terrorist.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:01 AM
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40. I'm boycotting the Stones based on their ticket prices.
I'm glad they're speaking up, but no concert is worth $300+.

There are bands making great music right now that you can see for $15-40 dollars at your local club.

Support them. Mick and Keith don't need your money.
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:06 AM
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41. Oh noes! All 8 freepers boycotting the Stones!
How ever will they remain commercially viable!?
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:12 AM
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44. Gee, The Impact On Ticket Prices Will Be Huge
Instead of $1000 front row tix, we'll be able to get them now for $999.99. What a tragedy caused by this boycott.
The Professor
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:13 AM
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45. Yeah, Freepers, good luck with that.
:eyes:
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:24 AM
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49. Oooooooo I'm soooo worried!
It will go over like their lame ass boycott of the Dixie Chicks.

Both nights for the Stones show @ the Hollywood bowl are sold out. Or at least I can't get any tickets via tickmaster.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:31 AM
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52. Don't all the F-----ers
form the base of fan clubs for Toby Keith and Christian rock groups anyway?
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:34 AM
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53. Wow...that's his second song about Bush Inc.
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 11:41 AM by Hubert Flottz
Just as every cop is a criminal
And all the sinners saints
As heads is tails
Just call me Lucifer
'Cause I'm in need of some restraint
(who who, who who)

So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
(woo woo)
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or I'll lay your soul to waste, um yeah
(woo woo, woo woo)

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, um yeah
(who who)
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, um mean it, get down
(woo woo, woo woo)


Here is another one that can be recycled...

Oh, a storm is threat'ning
My very life today
If I don't get some shelter
Oh yeah, I'm gonna fade away

War, children, it's just a shot away
It's just a shot away
War, children, it's just a shot away
It's just a shot away

Ooh, see the fire is sweepin'
Our very street today
Burns like a red coal carpet
Mad bull lost its way

War, children, it's just a shot away
It's just a shot away
War, children, it's just a shot away
It's just a shot away



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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:41 AM
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55. Who cares if people boycott the concerts?
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 11:43 AM by LoZoccolo
The tickets, if there are any still to be sold (which I don't think so anyways), are really hard to get...if anything, it'll just get easier for people to get them.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:42 AM
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56. Not only am I buying the new Stones album...
I am going to see them live at Angel Stadium, I'll buy their entire reissue catalogue and I'm going to wear Stones t-shirts with pride now.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:44 AM
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59. Kieth Richards Can Kick ANY Freeper's Ass!
Tell it to his face you freep weasels!
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RSchewe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:49 AM
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60. This was like what was said of the Dixie Chicks and you know what happened
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 11:50 AM by RSchewe
They got more popular. This is free publicity. Besides, most Americans disagree with the war and thing Bush is doing a bad job. Then again those damn polls are not accurate. Unless they support their positions...

I bet these people don't buy Rolling Stones CDs anyway. These people are so silly.

Bush got abused by the song. If his policies were not so criminal, maybe this would never manifest itself.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:23 PM
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62. Neo-cons will boycott the Stones?
Why, that's devil music anyway. They should have been boycotting them all along.
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:37 PM
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65. i'm sure the stones are quaking in their boots
boycotting the rolling stones.....i wish them good luck with that, lol

:rofl:
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sintax Donating Member (891 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:53 PM
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67.  Now only able to sell out 80,000 seat stadiums? Rice & Beans for Mick
One NASCAR fan buys Stones records.

One lost sale.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:11 PM
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69. One word: BUYCOTT! n/t
n/t
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:51 PM
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75. At this point in their 40+ year career, the Stones don't have to worry
about a boycott by Bush supporters. They have more money than they know what to do with, and they are one of the most successful rock bands in history. There have been 1/2 dozen prime ministers and 8 US Presidents since the Stones formed as a group. I think they can weather any storm that the Bush administration sends their way.

Allie
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 02:49 PM
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76. counter with a buycott, i.e. DU the album
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:50 PM
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79. Freepers boycotting the NFL???
Get real!

Yeah, I'd like to see them try.

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