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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:21 AM
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UPDATE ON ARREST FEARS AT CAMP CASEY
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 02:22 AM by WilliamPitt
Hey all. I am back in the hotel room and wanted to bring you up to speed on how all that happened tonight. I'd blog it, but our blog tech crew has been granted mercy and sent to bed.

10:30pm, me and Scott were done, driving back to the hotel. Got about halfway there when I got a call from Cindy's lawyer saying he had it on good authority that they were going to try to clear the camp tonight, and would arrest anyone who resisted.

I asked what this was based on, and basically got the sense that it was a camp rumor. Still, we went anyway, and got there to find everyone ready for whatever. I initially dismissed the concerns as paranoia from exhaustion...until I saw the flatbed tow truck that could carry several cars. Then the cop came screwing in with spotlight blazing, pulling up in front of us like a challenge or a warning before wheeling and heading back down the road.

After that, it seemed pretty damned real. The cop went by several more times sans lights. Finally, at 1am or so, everyone decided that nothing was going to happen tonight.

I can't can't can't can't can't even begin to explain what an amazing person Cindy Sheehan is. It is an honor to be here.

To bed, arrival at camp roundabout 7am or so. Stay tuned, and know this: She knows you are with her, and she loves you for it so much.

See you tomorrow.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:23 AM
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1. Good for you, Will!
We're all with you and Cindy in spirit.

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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:23 AM
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2. Rock on
Mr. Pitt
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:23 AM
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3. Thanks for the update
:yourock:

I am there in spirit!
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:24 AM
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4. Rock on Will
I hope to have family members join you guys.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:24 AM
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5. Thank you and
there are a couple of us who are going to monitor here until morning just in case. Thank you again for your selflessness and hard work.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:25 AM
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8. Cindy and several others there have Scott and I on speed dial
so if the shit hits the fan, we will be out there.
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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:24 AM
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6. awesome! we are so
glad you are there too, doing a great job keeping us informed!
Thank you so much, our spirits are with you all!


"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall - think of it, always."..... Gandhi
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:24 AM
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7. Thanks bro!
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OKDem08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:28 AM
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12. Ditto
good job, Will! :applause:
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:26 AM
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9. This is all pretty amazing. BTW, the flatbed truck STILL may be intended
for use. Just not tonight.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:26 AM
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10. What a relief to hear you are safe
Still, I fear for those down there on that dark road.

Must light a candle for them!

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:27 AM
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11. Thank you, Will Pitt.
Those of us whose feet won't make those journeys anymore, are grateful for those of you who are out there.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:29 AM
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13. Looks like Bushco is gonna do this like dogs in the night
God, I hope our people stay safe.
I'll go ahead and post your letter to my friends locally, some of whom just rolled back into town today from the VFP Convention, riding on the Impeachment Bus.

You stay safe, too, Will.

Hekate
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:30 AM
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14. God bless Cindy Sheehan and all who watch with her!
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Pam-Moby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:30 AM
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15. Will thanks for the update.
please tell Cindy to hang in there and you all be safe. :hug:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:31 AM
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16. The Brown Shirts are up to NO GOOD....
The BushCo is cornered and the only way out seems to lie in Intimidation.....

I wouldn't be suprised to see tanks and shit with the Marines to scare Cindys Gang off
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:35 AM
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21. Like Tiananmen Square?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:43 AM
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27. Yup, replace the Chinese guy with CINDY...she got guts, something
Bush hasn't....nada....
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:31 AM
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17. TX real estate lawyer here working on ownership of the "triangle" - need..
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 02:32 AM by NormaR
if anyone could get me a street address (on Prairie Chapel Road, I assume) for the person who claims to own the triangle (at Prairie Chapel and Morgan), it would be very helpful...

From that I can get that parcel's public tax information. Combined with aerial google maps I may be able to figure something out.

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:34 AM
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19. That's great, Norma.
Did you see my post, earlier? I used to work for the DOT in the Right of Way division here. That looks like right of way to a county road to me, instead of private property. And I say this with vast experience. That triangle would be preserved as right of way because of sight flare necessity.
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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:42 AM
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26. Would that be why a 1 acre property shows $0 value in prop tax records? nt
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:45 AM
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29. It wouldn't be considered "property" of anyone...
in other words, no one would hold title to it. It would be listed as right of way on a county road map.

The best way to sort this out is to visit the county courthouse and ask to see the records on that road.

Also, keep in mind that each side of that triangle would have a right of way of at least 20', so no one can tell anyone that they can't stand on the 20' closest to the road's centerline.

It's right of way. The whole triangle is. I'd bet a beer on it.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:10 AM
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33. A 1.00 acre tract is a Homestead tract, it's a rural homestead
if you own a rural tract that is greater than 1.00 acre you can designate a part of that tract as your homestead - no more than 1.00 acre.

The triangle is not one of these 1.00 acre tracts.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:12 AM
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34. I agree it is very unlikely that the triangle is owned by an individual
and not the county, and at the very least the entire triangle is certainly subject to easements...

It looks like someone cut the corner of the larger tract as a short cut, creating the triangle. if that's the case, the owner of the larger tract has probably lost good title to that portion of his or her tract.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:16 AM
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35. Usually when that happens, the owner sells that small parcel of land...
to the county. Then it becomes right of way.

Can you make a call to the courthouse tomorrow and see? Also, TDOT should have the plats that show who owns it.

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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:37 AM
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23. low_phreaq may have found an address: 1065 Morgan Rd.
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low_phreaq Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:41 AM
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25. Maybe 1065 Morgan Rd?? (EDIT: probably not)
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 02:55 AM by low_phreaq
See this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4312088&mesg_id=4312339

EDIT: probably not it, triangle is maybe about a half-acre. Sorry.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:33 AM
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18. Thanks for this
great job so far.
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Doo_Revolution Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:34 AM
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20. Bush is basically a cowardly fraud...
He won't arrest anybody, they just come down all the time to try to intimidate people. Make them feel like they should just leave.

Nah, he's under the spotlight. If Rumsfeld tries to arrest anyone, make sure to tell him to sock it and use lawyers to defend every ammendment.
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:35 AM
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22. thank you for all you do, mr pitt!! and it seems it was good we got to see
how incredibly brave Cindy is, you are, everyone there is, in face of such an immediate risk.

people stayed so amazingly calm, considering. so, we know now.

you know how to "stand still"

you and cindy and all you there are amazing heroes.

please keep on!
thank you for letting us know cindy feels us and loves us,

as you clearly do too.


rest some.

with you!


peace!
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:41 AM
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24. Will, once again you are doing a fantastic job..
Hopefully you'll get some much needed rest tonight, as will Cindy and her supporters out on that road in Texas.

I just hope the sh*t doesn't hit the proverbial fan tomorrow. Aren't Rumsfailed and Condisleeza supposed to show up at whatever that sniveling, yellow coward calls his pig farm in Crawford, TX?

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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:44 AM
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28. Geez, what a bunch of thugs...
I remember when we had a Constitution... good times! :(
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:50 AM
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30. Thank-you!


Tell Cindy there are a lot of people in red state Indiana that are supporting her!
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:50 AM
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31. For Cindy and those who have lost loved ones
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 03:01 AM by MichaelHarris
A Season of Tears


"Why should we hear about body bags and deaths and how many...It's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?" Barbara Bush, on "Good Morning America"

The morning sun shines through the window, sounds of songbirds signal the coming spring, and the smell of frying bacon fills the air as a new day dawns in America. In the dining room window a blue star is proudly displayed, a mother busies herself setting the breakfast table, pausing to take notice of an empty chair. As she completes her morning chores the spring symphony is interrupted by the sound of a knock at the door, she looks at her watch and thinks, "my this is early for a visitor, wonder who it could be?" She wipes her hands on her apron and opens the door, "hello" she says in a soft southern voice. The color rushes from her face, her knees quiver, finally giving away until she collapses into a heap upon the floor, between sobs she has only one question, "Why?"

America's Gold Star Mothers began in 1917 when an Army Captain, Robert L. Queissner designed a flag honoring his two sons service during World War One. The idea quickly caught on and in September of 1917 an Ohio Congressman read into the congressional record, "The mayor of Cleveland, the Chamber of Commerce and the governor of Ohio have adopted this service flag. The world should know of those who give so much for liberty. The dearest thing in all the world to a father and mother -- their children". The idea quickly swept the nation; mothers from all over the country proudly displayed the flags with the blue star in their windows. With the rising death toll during World War One a new flag was needed, mothers began sewing a gold star over the blue one indicating the loss of a child. President Wilson, in a letter affirming his support coined the phrase, "Gold Star Mothers", thus beginning the tradition.

Hands reach out, helping the woman to her feet, the uniformed gentlemen lead her to a couch. Family members trickle slowly down the stairs, sobs begin to fill the once happy house. A handkerchief is produced, tears wiped away, no one answers her question.

As America grew, so did its need for Gold Stars, mothers continued to send their children off to war, some didn't return. With the dawn of a new millennium behind us America once again finds itself in need of Gold Stars, mothers and fathers find themselves shipping not only their sons, but also their daughters to fight in a civil war far from home. It is not the patriotism that comes into question, we all know the patriotism these families possess, it is the reasons their sons and daughters are dying on the battlefield that must be addressed. Its time the supporters of this president and his Global/Religious domination of the world hear the voices of these mothers. They can no longer hide behind their leader, wrapped in an American flag, while mothers weep.

"For four years there has been throughout this broad land little else than the anguish of anxiety--the misery over dear ones sacrificed--for nothing!" (Emily Le Conte April 16, 1865) While the tools of war have changed throughout the years the feeling of loss and despair has not. Mothers and fathers wait by the phone, and watch, with the "anguish of anxiety", the daily reports from Iraq. A new American patriotism exists, one bourn from the tragedy of 9-11. While no evidence exists for an Iraq connection to 9-11 this president continues to use "the war on terror" as an impetus to war in Iraq. It's this confusion that causes conflict to those that have made the ultimate sacrifice. "I still don't know what to feel, I'm angry as hell and I'm proud as hell, everyone says my son's a hero, and I didn't want him to be a hero." (Cathy Neighbor on loosing her son Gavin, age 20)

The loss of a loved one has no borders, or political barriers. Pain does not have a religion nor a language, its shared throughout the global community. Mothers on both sides of the conflict feel pain of war. "Sisters, I know how painful it is for a woman to lose someone dear. I can feel your pain. For we, Iraqi women, have lost too much, and have suffered what no mother on the face of the earth has. For example, when your government imposed the unjust embargo on our country, we had to watch our children everyday dying from lack of medicine. Because of the weapons of mass destruction your soldiers used, especially depleted uranium, we had to carry babies in our wombs for nine months only to see them born severely deformed. As if all this was not enough for your government, it topped all it off with a war that it launched under false pretexts just to control our wealth, our oil and resources. And it was a brutal war in which many of our children were killed and many others were arrested, both sons and daughters" (A Letter from an Iraqi Mother to the Mothers of the Americans Killed in Fallujah)

The media, and our government portray the citizens of Fallujah as animals, showing us the atrocities committed there. What they have held from us is the reason for such hatred for our troops, "I call upon you because we are sisters in motherhood. The American media described us with as "barbarians", "savages", and "criminals" in the aftermath of the mob lynching scenes of the bodies of charred Americans in Fallujah, as Iraqis beat on dead bodies then hung them off a bridge. But the American media does not want you to know the true picture against which those scenes took place, nor does it want to let you know why Iraqis did this thing. The media does not want you to know the extent to which Iraqis have come to hate the soldiers of the occupation for them to act like this." (Iraqi Mother to the Mothers of the Americans Killed in Fallujah) While its true that many in America will see this Mother in Iraq as the enemy, it would be heartless to not have some compassion for her loss. Patriotism and compassion can coexist within each of us

"It is time for all people of conscience to call upon America to return to her true home of brotherhood and peaceful pursuits. We cannot remain silent as our nation engages in one of history's most cruel and senseless wars. America must continue to have, during these days of human travail, a company of creative dissenters. We need them because the thunder of their fearless voices will be the only sound stronger than the blasts of bombs and the clamour of war hysteria." (Martin Luther King, Feb. 25, 1967)

Perhaps the Vietnam War brought out the Mother's voice more than any other time in history, after all it was the first war brought into our living rooms via the nightly news. Mothers and Fathers, sisters and brothers saw soldiers wounded by battle, and flag draped coffins for the first time. "For Mother's Day, Give us back our sons", (Protest banner from a Wisconsin mother against the Vietnam War) The pain and suffering transcends borders as well as time, mothers throughout the ages have felt the loss of loved ones in battle.

The house is quiet now, the laughter, the sounds of joy , and the sounds of family no longer fill the house. It's as if the house itself lost a piece if it's soul, the soul of a family.

As we enter this new conflict its time to hear the voices, the mothers who have made the greatest sacrifice. Democrat, or republican, liberal or conservative, we need to hear their voices, we should feel their pain.

"My son died for absolutely nothing, Seth died for President Bush's personal vendetta." (Sue Niederer, at the loss of her son Seth)

"He didn't even make it to Baghdad, he thought he was going to be able to go in and kick some butt and get out." (Jean Prewett speaking of her son Kelly, 24)

"I am not resentful of the president, but I do not find him truthful, I do not find him credible, I do not find him statesmanlike, I do not find bombing countries and calling people names an effective technique either for fighting terrorism or conducting foreign policy." (Rosemarie Dietz Slavenas who lost her son Brian)

"Dear Mr Bush, On Christmas when you sat down to a turkey dinner, my son was making chili in a cook pot, using food I sent him, when you put on your gloves to go outside, think of my son who doesn't have work gloves to wear in Iraq, unless I send them to him." (Anonymous letter)

"When you speak of sacrifices, what do you picture? Do you picture apple-cheeked wives going out to sell war bonds or become Rosie the Riveter? Because that is not the reality of the sacrifices currently being made by military families…" (Jessica Salamon, Wife of a National Guard Soldier in a letter to bush)

"We didn’t understand why the United States was there. We never thought that Iraq was an imminent threat to the United States. But Casey told me, "Mom, this is what we trained for. I’m ready. It’s my job. Because the sooner I get there, the sooner I’ll come home."And he came home three weeks later in a flag-draped coffin." (Cindy Sheehan, Buzz Flash interview"

Storm clouds build in the distance; the smell of rain fills the house. The only light shines through the partially drawn drapes. A mother sits alone, on the couch sewing a gold star onto a flag, a tear falls upon the material and slowly soaks in.

Mrs Bush you may not care but some of us do. Robert E. Lee once said, "It is well that war should be so terrible, otherwise men would grow too fond of it". Has your family become that fond of it?
Michael Harris
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:54 AM
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32. Pitt... Thanks for keep us update!
You and rest of the gangs stay safe! Cindy is one brave woman!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 04:09 AM
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36. Thanks, Will! Check out the LA Times story on Cindy Sheehan's vigil!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2000891
Thread title: LA Times:"Mother's Protest at Bush's Doorstep Raises the Stakes" GOOD!!!

This is a long story and it is very supportive. And Maureen Dowd's very positive piece in the Houston Chronicle was also published (under a different title) in the New York Times. So, adding in the rather paltry and condescending effort from the Wash Post, we've got stories in all three top papers, and two of the three were positive and supportive. (The WaPo story was so-so.) History is being made!

And don't miss Oliphant's magnificent cartoon on Cindy's vigil and Junior's response to it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4312023
Thread title: New Oliphant comic: "bereaved mother camped down at the ranch gate"

So glad you're there with Cindy, representing those of us who can't come except in spirit.
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wildwww2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 04:51 AM
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37. Thanks Will. Keep up the good work. And stay safe.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:27 AM
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38. Kick
Heading back in. Will update all day.
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:28 AM
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39. with her, love her... n/t
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Mizmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:30 AM
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40. I can't believe they will really arrest her
I can't imagine a worse publicity move ...

not that I haven't been wrong ever.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:34 AM
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41. Thanks Will - Thanks Cindy
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StaggerLee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:00 AM
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42. Be safe
Thanks for the updates Will. It feels good knowing that Cindy has some real press to back her up as she confronts the misadministration.

We're there with you all in spirit and we are paying attention.

Cheers.

sL-
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quisp Donating Member (926 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:02 AM
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43. Thanks for all you are doing.
You all are in my prayers.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:09 AM
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44. Thanks for the updates, Will! I'm so glad that you are there!
Cindy, your love for your son is the most amazing thing in the world. It warms us all in this dark and scary time.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:13 AM
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45. Thanks for the updates!
ALl of you please stay safe and well. Don't put it past them to do something dirty, like spraying the fields with junk.
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:59 AM
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46. Thanks Will and thank you all who are there as well with her

Really admire you folks for being there through this, I really feel this is the begining of America waking up.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:03 AM
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47. Thanks Will!
Be safe!

Jenn
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