You will know that the tide has turned,

[achtung_circus]

the first time you hear:
PEACE WITH HONOR

[LSparkle]

1. I think Dick Myers or even Rummy has already uttered that one

But I may be mistaken. You're right, though -- when the Thugs start acknowledging we need to find an EXIT STRATEGY, we'll know it's turned.

[tech3149]

2. This century's variation

A Meaningful Peace.
We can have no honor after commiting a war of choice that is a war crime by definition.