After months of hate mail, no choice but to move

[tk2kewl]

No choice but to move

After months of hate mail, interracial Smithtown family relocates



BY THERESA VARGAS
STAFF WRITER

August 12, 2005

For months, Lois and Mitchell Fuchs put up with the hate mail flooding their mailbox -- slurs aimed at her because she's black and at him because he's Jewish. Then came a typed note, bearing the words, "Where's Hitler when you need him?"

<snip>

"We didn't know where else to go," Lois Fuchs said. "My parents just moved to North Carolina and they said, 'Please come, we don't have those crazy people here.'"

<snip>

Smithtown is considerably less diverse than not only neighboring towns, but the rest of the nation. According to the latest census figures, 95.5 percent of Smithtown's 115,715 residents are white versus 75 percent for the nation. Less than 1 percent of the town's population is black, like Lois Fuchs, or two or more races, like her children.

<snip>

Lynne Niebuhr, who lives across the street, said she was upset over the unkempt condition of their house. "That's the only thing I had against them -- just clean your house," she said, adding that it was never about race, as far as she knew.

"We had lovely Negro, um, African-American neighbors to the left and right," said Niebuhr, who is not suspected of sending the mailings. "I think all that was blown out of proportion."

<snip>

"As a parent, I feel I am doing the right thing" by leaving, Lois Fuchs said. "If it was just us we would stay and fight it. With the kids, it's not worth it."

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-libias0812,0,3095307.story?coll=ny-li-bigpix

[lildreamer316]

1. Tell them I'm in NC. Come on over.

We'd love to have you
We don't like yardwork either....just kidding..

[tk2kewl]

5. LOL!

they have 7 kids... might have something to do with the condition of the lawn

[ismnotwasm]

127. My thoughts exactly

I remember having just 4 and the house was a boderline disaster. Small house too.

[ck4829]

2. What a bunch of Pig Nazi Fascists

I can feel for this couple, I myself am in an Interracial relationship.

I hope that they can find happiness away from those bigots.

[demnan]

3. Long Island?

Wow. I've never seen anything like that in my part of Virginia.

[HeeBGBz]

4. Where is Smithtown?

New York? I didn't think they had racism up nawth. :sarcasm:

[tk2kewl]

8. Long Island, NY

Very affluent neighborhood

[Maraya1969]

67. They are getting that in Long Island? They would be safe in Manhattan

or LA or Hollywood - I think.

[tk2kewl]

68. 7 kids... they probably want a back yard and a safe public school

[Clark2008]

20. Yeah, if you read this board, you'd think that

I think the irony here is delicious even though I feel very sorry for this couple and their family.

[ohio_liberal]

81. yeah right *snort*

I now have two black families on my street and my cracker neighbors are ready to barricade themselves in their homes.

I might also add that I haven't mowed my grass in 3 weeks due to a broken leg and I'm now offically the neighborhood "white trash". :D

[wildeyed]

104. If you were my neighbor, I would have offered to do it for you

until your legs healed up. That is what good neighbors do, help each other, not call names. :D

[ohio_liberal]

109. I have the nastiest neighbors you can possibly imagine

It probably didn't occur to any of them to offer help instead of bitching. Ah well, I can still use a weedwhacker on a crutches. I just don't feel like it!! :D

[wildeyed]

121. Just be sure to use it very, very early in the morning.

Give 'em something to really complain about. }(

[LissaM]

6. how sad.

When two people love each other, NO MATTER WHAT, it should be celebrated. It makes me so sad that love is such a dirty word if you are not in it with someone of the same color and opposite sex. :(

[Castilleja]

117. I'm with you on that!

Perfect sentiment.

[SemperEadem]

7. I wonder if they can lift DNA from the envelops or stamps

I'm quite sure some of those sending the hate mail are listed in their computer databases.

"Smithtown is not a racist community, but there will always be someone full of hate who will act in such a terrible way," Vecchio said.

Any town which abides racism, which doesn't expose the racists, which harbors the racists by remaining silent IS a racist town. And it seems to me it's more than some 'one' person doing this, contrary to what Vechhio thinks.

[tk2kewl]

11. the article seemed to indicate that there was no crime committed...

because the mail did not contain threats of harm

[Solly Mack]

9. "the unkempt condition of their house" Same old bullshit line

racists have always used in an attempt to explain away their racism as not being racist..."property values"

[BiggJawn]

98. Would YOU do yardwork if strangers were driving by, staring at you?

I sure as hell wouldn't.....

Gee, I wonder if Lon Guyland is one of the "Lost Tribes of The Confederacy"?

[Solly Mack]

103. Yeah, I would - if only to flip the racist fucks off

but then I don't buy the "unkempt yard" excuse the racist fucks are using to cloak their racism with...

[Lydia Leftcoast]

110. An otherwise intelligent grad school friend of mine was literally

afraid of African-Americans. When he walked home with me to have dinner with me and my housemates, he wanted to walk on the other side of the street when he saw a black father and son washing their car in the driveway two houses down from mine.

His attitude made no sense to me until someone else told me that the part of New Jersey he came from was the quintessential white flight suburb.

[MADem]

107. Jeez. I'd be run out of town on a rail, after the tarring and feathering!

I agree with your assessment--it's all racist bullshit.

[Squatch]

10. Nothing like ruining a 9-year old's positive outlook on life.

Assholes.

[Catherine Vincent]

12. So they had to leave New York to head down South to get away

from prejudice. Hmmm....now what's wrong with this picture?

[tk2kewl]

14. that was surprising to me

my SIL and her SO recently moved to NC and when her SO asked his boss if they had off for MLK Day he got a rant about how it's the best day of the year to work and that it shouldn't be holiday.

[HeeBGBz]

16. Just a little taste of ugly reality

Racism is not just a "southern" thing.

[tk2kewl]

21. indeed

LI is one of the most segregated communities in the country and the real estate industry still steers minorities out of certain neighborhoods

[phylny]

113. Long Island isn't a 'community."

It's huge, with many different communities in the two counties.

[tk2kewl]

122. I live on LI... I was generalizing. I don't like to type too much.

In fact, you need to have multiple communities in order to have segregation

[phylny]

123. Gotcha.

Used to live on LI, too :)

[tx_dem41]

22. Jeez....I thought it was.

Or, at least that's what I hear on DU....incessantly. :eyes:

[raccoon]

26. Abso-friggin-lutely! nt

[davsand]

57. We have racism up north.

They just lie about it more up here.

:banghead:


Laura

[LIBERALNAVYVET]

72. How Sad

I hope this couple stays to fight the bigots because if they move the bigots win!!!!!!!! We don't want bigot cowards to rule the day. But Moving is probably for the best

[lukasahero]

13. WTF year are we living in again?

And of course, the all white neighbor says they're just being too sensitive.

""We had lovely Negro, um, African-American neighbors to the left and right," said Niebuhr, who is not suspected of sending the mailings. "I think all that was blown out of proportion.""

They still call people "Negro" there? Or is that just the word they use in 'front of company'? Can someone get this town out of that time warp they're in, please?

[tk2kewl]

19. there are quite a few neighborhoods like this on LI

I remember recently reading a report about LI being among the most segregated communities in the country.

I was at an ACE hardware store in the beginning of the summer and the kid working the counter was talking football with the guy in front of me and told of how his family moved when he was younger because Valley Stream was "getting a little too dark."

[trogdor]

96. This is Peter King's district, right?

Google this bastard. He writes snarky and insulting replies to those of his own constituents who object to this idiotic things he does in Congress on their behalf. The more rude he is to non-conservatives, the better they like it out there.

[tk2kewl]

101. I am in King's district (Dist 3). I think Smithtown is in Dist 1

Tim Bishop (D)

[Catherine Vincent]

23. "I think all that was blown out of proportion."

She wouldn't think that if she was on the eceiving end. Prejudiced B*tch!

[Catherine Vincent]

44. eceiving should be receiving.

:-)

[zbdent]

15. I hope that they had kept each and every piece of hate mail

would probably match up with a bunch of prints on file in Homeland Security . . .

[Maraya1969]

77. Oh that is a really good point!

[zbdent]

17. Imagine how bad it would have been if he was black and she was

a white blonde . . .

[Squatch]

25. The same?

:shrug:

How can one be worse than the other?

[zbdent]

32. In a racist's eyes - you have the sexual predator black male

going after the "pure" white . . . it's the old stereotype.

I had a conversation with a co-worker years ago. She (black) told me that interracial couples were taboo on TV.

Me, "thinking", said "Wait, what about the couple on The Jeffersons"?

She pointed out that it was much more acceptable, socially, for a white man to marry a black woman (White males impregnating their black slave women to produce more slaves) than ANY black male with a white woman.

I had to concede her point.

So, if you think that the attacks were bad when you had a white male marrying a black female, it would have been ten times more vicious the other way around.

[JuniperLea]

18. Is it me? Or is society taking giant steps backwards?

*dons tinfoil hat*


WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY PUTTING IN THE WATER?


Ferking bigots!

[GreenPartyVoter]

24. I know. Where is all this craziness coming from?

[JuniperLea]

31. I just had a thought...

Is this some sort of 'shell shock' behavior brought on by being continually scared? Seriously! Has anyone looked into the psychological ramifications of a society being continually harassed by scare tactics?

[GreenPartyVoter]

36. Well, there's certainly a lot of literature on the make up of Nazi Germany

[JuniperLea]

40. History repeats

And if we "stay the course" I expect some other country to invade us and drive our so-called leader to suicide.

I wonder if * does any painting...

[tk2kewl]

39. that is a very good theory

when everyone is happy and prosperous, they don't see enemies all around them. but scared and fearful for their future, they resort to pre-civilized tribal behavior. Sounds logical.

[Kingshakabobo]

27. NO crime committed? WTF?

I think ole Mrs. Neat-freak across the street needs to submit to a DNA sample request.

Funny how the authorities can twist and turn laws to "find" violations when they want to. I suppose they would have the same attitude if those letters were being sent to the chief of police or the mayor. Look cross-eyed at a cop in most jurisdictions and you get, at least, a "disorderly conduct" charge that usually gets tossed out in court.

At the very least, they should investigate this "non-crime" to the point of finding out who the "non-perpetrator" is so they can put him/her on notice.

[Squatch]

29. Playing devil's advocate here:

What crime, specifically, was committed?

[Kingshakabobo]

35. Disorderly conduct.

Without seeing the letters it would be hard for me to trump up a charge but, like I said, disorderly conduct is a nice catch-all when the cops need to arrest someone.

Or, how bout this? If they can track the letters, have the feds question the sender and nail them for lying to a federal agent. Ala Martha Stewart.

[ridgerunner]

49. How about terroristic threatening?

The Hitler remark seems to imply that they want them dead, and that seems to fall under the legal definintion.

Under HRS § 707-715 (1993), a person commits the offense of terroristic threatening

if the person threatens, by word or conduct, to cause bodily injury to another person or serious damage to property of another or to commit a felony:

(1) With the intent to terrorize, or in reckless disregard of the risk of terrorizing, another person; or

(2) With intent to cause, or in reckless disregard of the risk of causing evacuation of a building, place of assembly, or facility of public transportation.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=hi&vol=21237con&invol=1

[Squatch]

50. "seems to imply" is VERY shaky.

[ridgerunner]

52. What else could it mean?

The letter writer wanted what exactly?

[Squatch]

55. It could mean a ton of things, other than constituting a threat.

[ridgerunner]

60. I can't grasp your line of reasoning here

If someone sends hate mail to a couple where one is Jewish and the other is African-American and states "Where's Hitler when you need him?" what are they saying? That Hitler would build a nice autobahn so they could drive out of the area or a gas chamber. It seems pretty obvious that the letter writer is saying that he wishes they would that they would be murdered.

[Squatch]

62. It wouldn't stand up.

That statement prima facie is a rhetorical question with very dubious implications.

[ridgerunner]

64. As a Historian, I reckon I have a different view

Hitler is best known for one thing, the murder of nearly 10 million people merely because of their religion, sexual orientation, political views, physical disabilities, etc. It's a threat, not one where the letter writer says "I will kill you." but rather an implied threat, which fits under the legal definition to terrorize somebody.

If someone sent a person hate mail wishing that Hitler was around it can only mean one thing, they want that person dead.

[Squatch]

70. Our disagreement is only academic as the LEO

has already indicated that no crime has been committed and that no investigation is due.

[ridgerunner]

73. True enough n/t

[chopper]

76. umph

so is "would god forgive me if i murdered you in your sleep?'.

would you call the cops if you got a note like that on your door?

crime-wise, it's harrasment at least.

[Squatch]

79. But, that's not what was written.

What was actually written was "Where's Hitler when you need him?"

And, as the LEO indicated, this does not constitute a crime.

[Kingshakabobo]

53. The point is, you don't need a conviction to do an investigation. n/t

[Squatch]

54. Investigate what?

Seems like a 4th amendment violation just waiting to happen.

[Kingshakabobo]

69. Exactly! Investigate!

Knock on their door. Let them know that they know who is sending the letters. Ask them what they meant by the letters. You would be surprised how often dip-shits like this incriminate themselves during initial police contact. After all, we are not dealing with rocket scientists here. Cops make contact all the time to keep the peace without intending to make an arrest. That's why they are called peace officers.

I'm not talking about kicking the door down and seizing property. A knock on the door will be a good start and as the other poster said up-thread there might be a case for terroristic threats. The investigation alone could lead to a charge.

Unless you don't think running someone out of their home and terrorizing a nine year old is worth a look-see? :shrug:

[Squatch]

74. Investigate what? No crime has been committed!

But, that doesn't stop you from advocating GESTAPO tactics to drum up an investigation and charges.

Jeebus, man.

[Kingshakabobo]

84. Ok, you have gone beyond devil's advocate.

If you don't think the authorities should at least investigate hate mail I can't help you. Hate mail that was bad enough to drive someone from their home.

Gestapo tactics? LOL. Knocking on a door and asking questions is Gestapo tactics? Hahaha. What's that rule about bringing up nazis and on-line discussions?


Good day sir/madam!

[Squatch]

87. WHO, exactly, are they going to ask...

and how will they know to ask that individual?

[Kingshakabobo]

92. I'll leave that up to the police, thankyouverymuch.

The victims may or may not have an idea about who they should talk to, maybe based on previous interactions with neighbors. I don't know. But that's not what we are discussing here. You, apparently, do not think any laws have been broken. I have a pretty good idea that they have.


Here. Need anything else?:



Bias-related crime can be broken down into two legal categories: aggravated harassment in the first degree (NYS Penal Code Sec. 240.31), which is a Class E Felony, and aggravated harassment in the second degree (NYS Penal Code Sec. 240.30), which is a Class A Misdemeanor. Both types of offenses, as well as any other acts or threats of racial or religious intolerance are viewed as serious, and such investigations are given priority by University Police.

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND DEGREE HARASSMENT? According to the New York State Penal Code Sec. 240.30, subdivision 3, aggravated harassment in the second degree reads: "Strikes, shoves, kicks, or otherwise, subjects another person to physical contact, or attempts or threatens to do the same because of the race, color, religion or national origin of such person."

Aggravated harassment in the second degree is a Class A Misdemeanor. According to New York State Penal Code number Sec. 240.31, a person is guilty of aggravated harassment in the first degree when, with the intent to harass, annoy, threaten or alarm another person, because of race, color, religion or national origin of such person, he or she:

Damages premises primarily used for religious purposes, or acquired pursuant to Section 6 of the religious corporation law and maintained for the purpose of religious instruction, and the damage to the premises exceeds fifty dollars; or Commits the crime of aggravated harassment in the first or second degree within the preceding ten years.

Aggravated harassment in the first degree is a Class E Felony.

edit double paragraphs posted

[ridgerunner]

93. The police are investigating

"Suffolk County police began investigating the mailings in March"

but not the feds

"Officers with the Hate Crime Bureau enlisted the help of the FBI and the postal service, but said Thursday they were unable to move on the case because no laws were violated."

And they have been looking into this for a while now.

"This could go on for a long time," said Det. Allen Van Winkler of the Suffolk County Police Bias Crime unit. The volume of mailings is helping authorities build a case against the culprit because it shows a "continuous course of action" with "no legitimate purpose," he added.

A second-degree aggravated harassment charge is punishable by 30 days in jail and a fine.

The couple received more than a half dozen mailings, and their neighbors, the Ciprianos, got five or six more. Those were addressed to Rachel and Giovanni "Nastylovers," as Fuchs' daughter might put it.

"I don't think we should have too much problem identifying the person responsible," Van Winkler said. "This is a person probably in the neighborhood who has a problem with a particular person or a particular group.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-libias0409,0,2636557.story?coll=ny-top-headlines

So I reckon a crime has been committed, just not a federal one.

[Orangepeel]

124. isn't harassment a crime?

a misdemeanor maybe?

[crispini]

28. I guess there are a-holes everywhere.

So much for the "tolerant" northeast.

[Doctor_J]

30. First interracial couples, then

Bob & his wife Jim, next thing you know a man/box turtle couple will be moving in.

:sarcasm:

[wicket]

33. Jesus, people can be so disgustingly cruel

:grr:

[linazelle]

34. "We had lovely Negro, um, African-American neighbors to the left "

O M G

Talk about Regressive...

[tk2kewl]

42. I hope she was close to 90 yrs old or something

really no other possible excuse for that than a senility induced time-warp

[ailsagirl]

37. Unbelievable. To realize how damn ignorant so many still are

Have we made no progress at ALL since the sixties? Or have we
simply slipped back into the slime because this poisonous political
climate encourages it???

Abominable. :puke:

[tk2kewl]

38. I think it's less progress that one might have thought, but...

a whole lot of slippage due to the hate mongers in control

[ailsagirl]

43. Yes-- those hate mongers bring out the WORST in people

I've never seen so much ugliness than I have in the last four
and a half years-- particularly in the last six months.

Just-downright-ugliness.

Wartime anger based on unfounded rumor has brought some of the most grievous trespasses against freedom and democracy in our nation's history, and thus wartime leaders bear a special responsibility. Demagogic appeals to our baser natures threaten our traditions. Appeals to truth and reason work to preserve them.

http://www.snowbizz.com/Diogenes/03EudoraBackup/eileendefense.htm

[Blue_Tires]

41. archie bunker is still alive? n/t

[Kingshakabobo]

71. Archie would have NEVER sent hate mail. n/t

[mainer]

45. A professor and an accountant?

It sounds like these people were too good for that neighborhood.

[Bethany Rockafella]

46. Unfortunately, the hate mongers have won.

I do feel sorry for the children of this family but it really irks me that the bigots that sent those letters are the winners in this.

[glitch]

95. They've lost. These sound like great neighbors and interesting people

and they are moving away. The community loses when it loses diversity.
This community, from the sheriff who doesn't think harassment is a crime worth investigating, to the ignorant neighbors who don't gather around and support this couple.
Remember that town in Montana that supported their citizens against hate mongers?
The couple will find a better home for their family and win.
Smithtown will continue to lose.

[TWiley]

47. Ahhhhhh. The Bible Belt in all it's Glory !

South Carolina is heavy into the Neo-Confederate movement. The ole "buckle of the Bible Belt" has more nationally organized and active racist organizations than any other state. Pretty amazing when you consider they have about 10th the population.

http://www.tolerance.org/maps/hate/state.jsp?S=SC&m=3

[ridgerunner]

51. I didn't realize that Long Island

was moved to South Carolina yesterday. Reckon I must have missed that.

[Squatch]

59. The knee bone's connected to the arm bone.

Geography schmeography. If it's a chance to bash the South, even if the story is about New England, then some people will just jump on it.

[TWiley]

114. Well actually, it was a simple mistake.

Call it stupidity on my part. I did not read the article as thoroughly as I should have.

However, it is a fact (sorry to disappoint you) that the bible belt has far more organized racist organizations than any other part of the United States. This is not your fault, and it is not my fault. It is simply the way it is.

Now consider the population of New York, check the number of their organizations here:

http://www.tolerance.org/maps/hate/state.jsp?S=NY&m=3

South Carolina leads the nation with 47. That is a pretty striking general population to racist organization ratio.

It is a nationwide problem though. While statistically more prevalent, the Bible belt is not the only place this problem occurs.

[ernstbass]

65. Guess what?

The South doesn't have a monopoly on racism - sorry to disappoint you.

[ridgerunner]

66. Why did you direct that at me? n/t

[TWiley]

116. I guess he made a mistake also. n/t

[TWiley]

112. I realize that the problem is nation wide.

However, when you look at the number of organized groups versus the population, the Bible Belt takes the organized racism trophy.

Consider the population of New York. Compare that to the number of organizations here:

http://www.tolerance.org/maps/hate/state.jsp?S=NY&m=3

Now, South Carolina has 47 organizations. That is a pretty large difference.

I agree though, racism is a nation wide problem. We have an active chapter of the National Alliance here. They are pretty spooky.

[TWiley]

115. Ya, it was a stupid mistake on my part.

I did not read the article correctly.

However, it is true that South Carolina does have a greater number of organized racist outfits than any other state in the nation. This does not make everyone in the south a racist, and it does not mean that this problem is limited only to the south.

It simply means what it does. South Carolina has the highest number of racist organizations. It is also true that the numbers are considerably higher for these organizations throughout the bible belt.

This the link for New York:
http://www.tolerance.org/maps/hate/state.jsp?S=NY&m=3

It is also true that not every racist belongs to an organized outfit. It would be pretty difficult to quantify that group however.

[ridgerunner]

120. It is also true that the earth revolves around the sun

What does organized racist groups in South Carolina have to do with racist hate mail in Long Island?

[TWiley]

125. I did not read the article correctly.

The number of organized racist groups, or racist crimes in an area is about the only way I know of how to quantify "racism" by region. This does not include everything because not every crime is reported, and not every racist belongs to an organization.

If you check the link I provided, you will see that there are also "organized racist groups" in New York. It is possible, if not likely, that the "hate mail" referred to in the article was generated by someone associated with one of those groups.

The reason I mentioned racist groups in South Carolina was because I read the article incorrectly. It was a mistake.

This does not change the fact that the majority of organized racist groups can be found in the "bible belt" with South Carolina being the home of the greatest number. Texas and Florida (the buckle of the bushtapo belt) also have many active racist groups.

Racism, or hate crime, is a national problem as you know. There appears to be a link between organized racist groups, religion, and conservative politics. This does not make all southerners or all religious people racist. It just means that a majority of organized groups are in the South, and most of their members consider themselves religious.

I would hope that these groups represent a vast minority of people wherever they happen to organize.

http://www.tolerance.org/maps/hate/index.html

[ridgerunner]

126. I'm not trying to pick a fight with ya Wiley

as a matter of fact I find it admirable that you admit that you made a mistake. We all do it from time to time but some folks have a hard time owning up to it.

I'll agree with ya that racism is a nationwide problem, and yep we have a lot of racists in the South. However, I just don't understand why you kept up a strawman argument.

[tx_dem41]

61. "South Carolina"???

Ummm...the town in question is in a blue state. In fact, its in that "racist-free" Northeast. If you read the article, they are escaping to the South to get away from the racism they are experiencing.

[TWiley]

111. Whoops I read the article wrong.

Thats what happens to a person with a limited amount of time and a less than stellar learning ability.

Actually though, in terms of organized racist outfits, NY is relatively free from those groups. Especially when you compare the number of them to the population.

Here is the correct map for New York

http://www.tolerance.org/maps/hate/state.jsp?S=NY&m=3

South Carolina leads the nation with 47 active racist organizations BTW.

[sakabatou]

48. "We had lovely Negro, um, African-American neighbors.."

Snrk.

[Miss Chybil]

82. "Oh, some of my best friends are nig...

well, you know, African-Americans."

What a shame, in the 21st Century. It will never change. People always have to have someone to hate to make themselves feel better. Like their houses are cleaner... you know?

[AnnieBW]

56. Come down to DC!

We've got lots of interracial couples in the DC area! Heck, my neighbors across the street are interracial.

To think that this happened in a "blue" state, too...

[Dulcinea]

100. Or to Atlanta!

We have plenty of interracial couples too, & very few people bat an eyelash (of course, I live in very blue Dekalb County!)

[ourbluenation]

58. Ahhh smithstown - a place where no blacks or jews shall live I guess...

shame on them

[Javaman]

63. I left Long Island 15 years ago and never looked back...

Racism is alive and well there as well has having a huge underground klan following.

Long Island is a hateful place of bigoted/racist assholes. I could go on and on, but what's the point.

[Kingshakabobo]

75. Isn't O'Lielly from Long Island? n/t

[tk2kewl]

80. The Levittown section of Westbury

:eyes:

[Javaman]

118. We used to call it levitland...a town just south of where I used to live

[frictionlessO]

78. Racism is not just a red state problem and never has been.

These kinds of people, push the limits of my pacifism. Hard not to think of bad things happening to those cowards who wrote the letters.

.

[Stand and Fight]

102. You most certainly have that right!

My wife and I have gotten looks in Oklahoma, Nevada, California, Washington, Oregon, North Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico... Black man with a white woman? A blonde white woman at that? Oh the travesty! Oh the anguish! Oh the white man's burden!

[Mr Rabble]

83. Glad I live in San Diego!

[tk2kewl]

85. Really?

I thought San Diego was a repuke stronghold?

[annabanana]

86. a little L.I. history

Anyone here old enough to remember the German-American Bund?

http://www.longwood.k12.ny.us/history/yaphank/bund3.htm

[CBGLuthier]

88. God damn blue staters

Sorry but every time one of these sad stories comes across and it is in a red state someone makes a big deal out of it as if blue states aren't full of assholes like the rest of the country.

So thought I would try that shoe on the other foot thing.

[Maraya1969]

89. I wish we had a way to contact them so we could send them our support

[tk2kewl]

91. you could write a LTTE [e-mail]

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[emcguffie]

90. They should come to West Orange, NJ.

Anyone know how to contact them?

Or Montclair, of course, if they can afford that. Or South Orange, also more expensive than West Orange.

Great towns, racially diverse and proud of it, generally.

[ComerPerro]

94. I don't have to deal with that, but I live in Lawrence, KS

So interracial relationships aren't even an issue at all.

[Stand and Fight]

99. Well, isn't that just quaint.

I'm glad you don't have to "deal with it"! Lord knows it would be just awful to have to "deal with it" in good ol' Lawrence, Kansas! However, my wife and I may now make it a point to move to your Lawrence, KS -- sounds like you need some enlightening. :eyes:

[lala_rawraw]

97. Now if only they would send me that letter so I can run it

for Just "them" Sunday. Bastards... welcome to the White Race of America.

[Lowell]

105. They are an attractive couple

perhaps as we become a more blended society this behavior and attitudes will change. What a shame they feel they must move, but I can understand their concern for their children.

[MADem]

106. NYC isn't all that liberal, either!!!!!

This surprised me!
http://www.nysun.com/article/18489

A new study puts the Big Apple near the bottom of a list of the top 25 most liberal cities in America - and behind such newly crowned leftist redoubts as Gary, Ind., Newark, N.J., and Flint, Mich.

New York state is on the California/Texas track to hit the 50% minority mark, too, so eventually, those bigots are just gonna have to DEAL: http://www.nynewsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-licens0812,0,1223634.story?coll=nyc-nationhome-headlines

The Empire State, Mississippi, Georgia, Arizona and Maryland are on track to see their white population dip below 50 percent, according to the census.

Those states combine to have minority populations of about 40 percent, with New York State home to a 38.9 percent minority population that is fast-growing, according to the estimates...The minority population has long outpaced whites in New York City. But the gap has widened, with a 55.3 percent minority population in the boroughs in 2000 ballooning to 65.2 percent in 2004.

The shift has also come to Long Island. Nassau County's minority population was 20.7 percent in 2000, according to the census, and 29.2 percent in 2004. In Suffolk, 15.4 of residents were racial minorities in 2000, compared with 23.7 percent in 2004.

Sanders said despite the growth of non-white residents, they have remained segregated even if they have the economic means to move to any neighborhood. Looking over a mailing list for a recent fundraising event, she said she was stricken by how many black and Latino professionals clustered together in the same communities....

[tk2kewl]

108. You gotta remember that NYC is a big place with 5 boroughs

Manhattan is as blue a place as there is in the country, but Staten Island is like another country altogether and Brooklyn and Queens have some pretty backward people is parts

[Dr Fate]

119. What a beautiful, strong couple. I wish them peace & success.

And FUCK the haters.