Novak just lied on Crossfire which means this story is big!

[caledesi]

He tried to play down Ms. Wilson's job position by saying she was NOT an operative, but an analyst.

You are lying Bob...don't you remember what you wrote?


Mission to Niger
Robert Novak July 14, 2003

<snip>

Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction. Two senior administration officials told me Wilson's wife suggested sending him to Niger to investigate the Italian report. The CIA says its counter-proliferation officials selected Wilson and asked his wife to contact him. "I will not answer any question about my wife," Wilson told me.
<snip>

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20030714.shtml

[DK666]

1. Oh man

This is gonna get big real fast :+

[MoonAndSun]

2. Of course he is lying, he is scared shitless and is now downplaying

this whole thing. He's worse then the creepy crawlers that lay under those rocks.

[Bozita]

10. You can see it in his face and hear it in his voice.

This makes Watergate look like chickenshit.

[caledesi]

18. Yes, I noticed how Novak seemed very nervous.

[HereSince1628]

34. Hey the creepy crawleys under the rocks eat shit and put in an honest

day's work. It isn't fair to compare them with Novak.

He may be a coward now bent on saving his arse, but the invertebrates...they are TOTALLY innocent!

[Dudley_DUright]

3. Not to mention David Ensor,

CNN's national security corespondent, flatly contradicted this assertion from Nofacts and told Wolf that his sources in the CIA say that Plame was in fact a field operative.

on edit: got Ensor's first name wrong.

[caledesi]

13. Thanks for Ensor's name. I couldn't remember it.

[Evil_Dewers]

4. NoFacts is just pissed...

The conservatives are turning on him and shooting the messenger.

[Gman]

5. Like that makes it OK

i's still a felony.

[FlashHarry]

6. I hate to parse, but...

...if this is the damning paragraph, Novak doesn't actually say that 'senior White House officials' told him Wilson's wife was a CIA operative. He simply says it, with out attribution. He segues into saying that the officials told him Wilson's wife suggested he go to Niger.

Did Novak actually say somewhere that 'senior' WH officials told him that Wilson's wife was a spook?

I'm just trying to play a little devil's advocate here.

[annagull]

17. Yeah, but the Washington Post does say that

A senior administration official told them 2 White House officials called 6 reporters.

[searchingforlight]

31. Do you have a link for that report? Thanks.

[searchingforlight]

27. Okay, you forced me to go read the original article by

Novak (now I have to go bathe).

You are right. From what I read, he didn't actually say that the information about her status came from the administration.

[TacticalPeek]

29. On Crossfire Nofacts said WH told him she was a "CIA employee".

But that they didn't call him; rather he was talking to WH about Wilson and they mentioned that Wilson's CIA wife had Joe go, something like that.

He also said a CIA source told him she was an "analyst", not an agent, etc.

He's trying hard, but this bread is toast.

[Brian Sweat]

32. But if they told the other six reporters that she was a cia operative

what good does it do NoFacts to lie?

[TacticalPeek]

49. Interesting question, Brian.

I would say that at this point we do not flatly know she is an operative, or equivalent, whatever. Reports are that she worked under "non-official cover", ie, not a public employee like say Tenet, and not a diplomat/military liason, etc (official cover). So we guess she is a covert operative, and I'm confortable with that based on reports.

So why WOULD he lie?

My guess: he is the mouthpiece for a faction at CIA trying to spin the bottle off somewhere else, FUD, etc. If that bunch is a source for him, he must now do what he can to push their line, especially if his vein there goes back a ways in time, and he wishes to keep access as this burns on.

[Brian Sweat]

53. It has been confirmed that she is an operative.

NoFacts was lying.

Why do you think that it is a faction of the CIA that is pushing him to lie and not the White House?

[TacticalPeek]

56. Just that on Crossfire he said it was a CIA source

that told him she was an 'analyst', not an operative, no assets at risk, etc.

Of course, we must pick which lies and half-truths to analyze with flecky Bob.

[Catherine Vincent]

46. You're right, I just read the article.

Novak doesn't say the WH officials told him that Wilsons's wife (Valerie) was a CIA operative but that the officials told him Valerie suggested sending her husband to Niger.

So if they didn't tell Novak that Valerie was a CIA operative, did they tell Novak that Valerie worked for the WH or something? I think they did tell Novak but he just did'nt put it in the article that way. The WH needed Valerie to get outed somehow, so they needed to contact a smart and conniving Bush shill. And there you have Novak.

I think these are some very evil people.

[TacticalPeek]

47. True, about the apparent careful parsing of Nofacts article.

But that is all academic now. On Crossfire he said the WH told him she was a CIA employee. He only tried to save some grace by saying that the WH did not call him to out her, rather he was talking to WH on Wiison and they mentioned the CIA 'employee', as he puts it today.

[Snellius]

7. Then why did the CIA call for an investigation

If Plame was just a "CIA employee" and not a covert operative then why did the CIA call on the Justice Department to investigate?

[caledesi]

24. Of course, Novak was trying to portray her as an administrative

type <very low level>...No Bob, you lied because why would the CIA call on the JD to investigate this?

[Nottingham]

8. Hey Journalists are able to Lie! Its Freedom of Speech! Riiiight!

But Journalists are not allowed to cover up their lies with more lies!! NOVAK is BACK PEDDALING BIG TIME! But Hon your on the record!

NOVAK is dumber than I thought! :bounce:

[caledesi]

9. UPDATE on above

I was just listening to Wolfie reporting the story and he had a short interview <so embarrassed...can't remember who> Ensor?? who was telling Wolf that there should be an independent investigation. Then Wolf asked about how Novak said on Crossfire that she was an analyst, not an operative. This guy said that is incorrect; she is a field operative.

[Cush]

12. David Esnor

he's their Nat Security reporter

[annagull]

11. Welp, whatever credibility NoFacts had is shot now

EVERYBODY in the press was watching him today, and he goes and lies about his own damn article. What a piece of shit. He deserves everything he's got coming to him.

[Starpass]

16. Indeed, there is a God if in the end this panderer

for the right wing ends up kicking off the scandle that finally takes his boy down and, perhaps, even the repukes out of power.

[Another Bill C.]

14. I think ole Bob is about

is about to find himself all alone out there and slowly twisting in the wind.

[FlashHarry]

20. There's always a warm, fuzzy place for him over at FauxNews...

[Kool Kitty]

15. Okay, i just got back on here and I have

just finished listening to "Crossfire" (which I taped while I was out). If this is posted elsewhere, I'll go look for it. But i want to know who the republican c**ksucker was that said, in effect, because no harm came to Wilson's wife that it shouldn't be such a big deal. No harm, hence-no foul. And he said that the democrats were a party of whiners. I would like to know who this piece of shit is so I can call his office and give him a piece of what's left of my mind.

[annagull]

23. Congressman Kingston. That's all I know.

nt

[oasis]

25. Jack Kingston from Georgia.

[realFedUp]

45. His PAC money from the White House is in the mail...

Paul kept asking him if he intended asking for
an independent investigation into this since he
asked for one over football tickets Clinton's
agriculture secretary received.

Interesting that Kingston said he didn't think
White House staff should undergo lie detector tests
etc that would hurt their civil rights...
Yeah, when Republicans subpoened a lot of the White
House staff during impeachment hearings and many
lost homes and money paying for legal representation.

Kingston's looking at running for Senate of Georgia,
replacing Zell Miller. I don't much difference here
and in fact this guy is as rabid as Norm Coleman.
I guess he's looking at some PAC money for his little
performance today on Crossfire.

Send him a little piece of your mind.

Kingston's e-mail: [e-mail]/kingston
Savannah office 912-352-0101
Brunswick office 912-265-9010
Statesboro office 912-489-8797

[TacticalPeek]

50. That slimeball's weasley remarks

were on a par with Gordon Liddy's slur about Wilson going to Niger and sitting around posh hotels 'sipping tea' and returning to say he found nothing.

On the other hand about GGordon, today's creeps should have the cajones he had and just go on off to jail and do their time.

[Brian Sweat]

54. They question whether or not Wilson did the research,

but they ignore the fact that he was right.

[Kool Kitty]

26. Thanks, Anna.

I'll find him. :hi: (on edit: Thanks to you, too, oasis!!!)

[TacticalPeek]

33. R from GA.

[DulceDecorum]

28. Sorry I don't have his monica

oops I meant moniker not whoremonica.

This is NOT going to fly in Peoria.
I wonder if Novak is feeling as depressed as Kelley was just before you-know-what.

[Dudley_DUright]

30. Georgia's 1st district Jack Kingston

Here is his congressional website.

http://www.house.gov/kingston/

I like what Paul said in response:

"I see, so no blood, no foul; is that it congressman?"

[Kool Kitty]

42. Thank you, Dudley.

My e-mail is on it's way to the little shit as we speak here. Thanks again. :loveya:

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

38. Who are THEY to say no harm was done? "No Big Deal"???

How many people's lives are in the balance, because this woman and her network have been exposed? How many places has she been? How many covert contacts are now either in hiding, or are being tortured in some hidden concrete bunker? How much vital intelligence has been compromised?

One man didn't have the presence of mind to keep his frickin' mouth shut, and now there are many people around the world who are in deathly trouble because of his idiocy.

There's a reason it's a federal crime, Mr. Nofacts. There's a reason it's called treason. You should stand in front of a wall for your crime.

Better yet they should hang you in the public square.

[mndemocrat_29]

19. I didn't watch the show

But did Begala or Carville say anything?

[mistertrickster]

21. Somebody told him . . . he doesn't have to reveal his sources, and

the White House can go ahead a lie that it wasn't them--remember though that this is what always leads to the big meltdown--Watergate, Iran Contra, Monica-gate. It's not the act, it's the LYING, so let 'em lie their asses off.

All the better for later.

[Brian Sweat]

22. Though quite accustomed to deceive

a tangled web he still doth weave

[wryter2000]

35. Then, the repug guest

Then, the repug guest called her a "glorified secretary" and said that if she'd been in danger, why had nothing happened to her in 10 weeks. And called the dems "a party of whiners."

Puke.

[Fuzz]

36. Did you see Newsmax's spin on the story?

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/9/29/103827.shtml

Joe Wilson Vowed Vengeance Against Karl Rove

The man at the center of the storm over whether the White House leaked the name of his CIA-analyst-wife to the press swore vengeance against the Bush administration just one month ago, telling a Seattle audience that he'd wanted to "to see whether or not we can get Karl Rove frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs."

With the Washington Post doing his dirty work on Sunday, former ambassador to Iraq, Joseph Wilson seems to be gathering a few allies in his mission, with Democrats like Sen. Charles Schumer proclaiming yesterday, "Whoever should go to jail."

Wilson is the man tapped by the CIA, reportedly at his wife's recommendation, to travel to Niger to investigate reports that Saddam Hussein had sought to purchase yellow cake uranium, one of the country's chief exports.

Because Wilson came up empty in terms of finding any evidence of a uranium transaction, the press has taken it as an article of faith that Bush's reference in last year's State of the Union message to British intelligence on the Iraq-Niger uranium deal was a deliberate attempt to mislead.

The CIA's request late Friday that the Justice Department investigate whether the White House leaked Mrs. Wilson's name to columnist Robert Novak has set off media smoke alarms.

But what hasn't gotten much attention is Novak's original report, which made it clear that the White House wasn't the only one who spilled the beans about Wilson's wife.

<snip>

[NJCher]

37. I wanna' see Novakula sweat!

Is this show going to be repeated on CNN? Forgive me for not knowing this stuff but I refuse to watch them and I refuse to click on their Web site, either, unless it is to vote on a poll that says I'm embarrassed by dumbya.


Cher

[TacticalPeek]

39. I must add that although I have been very disappointed in Harold Ford

lately, the D in this Crossfire, he did really good countering Nofacts and Kingston today. Very civil, but very straight back at them too. I was proud of him for the first time in a long while.

:kick:

[boxster]

41. Yes, given just a tad more leeway, he was going to kick

Novak's butt. As it was, he did a great job countering the arguments and used Novak's words against him quite nicely.

[oasis]

43. I gotta cut Ford some slack in view of his recent assertive positions

on behalf of Dems. He's been changing for the better.

[Brian Sweat]

44. Ford is a tad conservative,

but I think he is an excellent spokeman for the DNC.

[caledesi]

48. Same here TP, he was good today.

He has disappointed me too lately...acting a little too Republican-Lite.

[Kool Kitty]

51. Yes, Harold did very well.

Went back at Novak good. Said< "Mr. Novak, since you are the one that wrote the article, there is no reason to be angry at me." Paraphrased a bit perhaps, but he meant, look, you wrote this shit, don't jump down my throat about it.

[TacticalPeek]

52. If the Crossfire format allowed one to finish a sentence,

much less string 2 or 3 together, Ford would have had Nofacts crying.

[Brian Sweat]

55. Nofact would not go near any forum that did not permit him

to shout down anyone who tried to use facts. Nor would just about any other Republican.

[SaintLouisBlues]

40. Operative is the operative word

Sorry, I couldn't help myself from posting that again.

Nofacts living up to his nickname.

[rocktivity]

57. It isn't what he was told, it's what he printed

Why is he making such a fuss over this? If he didn't know he was breaking the law by revealing the name, he should have. And regardless of what he was told, HE PRINTED IN THE ARTICLE THAT SHE WAS AN OPERATIVE. How does he figure that believing she was something else lets him off the hook?


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