Lets face it people, Arnold's gonna win next week!

[romantico]

The RW's are already gloating where I work.I thought Gray Davis was doing well in the polls.I guess alot can change within a week.Next week will be the begining of Bush's 2nd term I'm afraid.Could a miracle stop this?

[Fixated]

1. ...

I think Arnold is in, but I don't know if Bush will win Cali. If he does we're fucked, but we need to fight it like hell.

[Emboldened Chimp]

2. Don't be so sure

Begala pointed out on Crossfire how both sides have conducted insider polls and they reveal different numbers. He felt confident that Davis would hold on. Never fear!

[CatWoman]

30. Exactly

The polls Begala quoted gave Gray 52% support (no recall).

[blackcat77]

3. If he does...

...start the recall against him the following day.

[spanone]

13. What's good for the goose is good for the Terminator

Start a recall immediately.

[Emboldened Chimp]

26. They've got their plan for this

If he gets in (I personally think he won't), he'll immediately sign an executive order that will essentially nullify the recall law. Bet on it.

[Shrek]

46. I'm pretty sure he can't do that

The recall provision is part of the California constitution. I'm virtually certain that it can't be nullified by an executive order.

[Solomon]

35. You mean the Chickenator.

:evilgrin:

[imax2268]

50. that's it...

recall the tuuuurrrmmmmaaaannnaaaaatttuuuuuur....

Anyway...I have seen polls that have Ahhhnold in the lead...and polls that have Gray Davis leading...so who knows...

I hope that the Dems come out victorious...that will show the repukes that we mean business and our next target is the white house...

[DK666]

Snap out of it....

Did the friggin RW brainwash you !!! Nows the time to rush push harder its hell week.

go go go......

[Jim Sagle]

4. Don't believe the hype or the polls. This ain't over yet.

But thanks for the morale boost. :puke:

[bluedog]

5. the polls

one poll if you notice was a little over 700 people....it took them from thursday to sat or sunday to get that percentage...doesn't that tell you something?? They couldn't get the numbers they wanted .....

its all hype...the Cal. voters have to get out to vote in mass.....

[MoonAndSun]

6. On Crossfire today, Paul Begala said he spoke to a repuke

operative in Cali and he was told that all internal polling shows almost a even split in the vote for recall, so Paul said he does not believe his own CNN poll data.

I think it is closer then what they say.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

8. Thank You Paul!!!!!!!!!!!

CNN polls cannot be trusted!!!

[devinsgram]

24. This is what they want you to think,

they think if they put out these numbers, no dems will come out to vote because it's all been decided. You have to remember this poll was done by calling "probable voters" meaning voters who may or may not vote. Not a good poll at all. I certainly do not buy it.

[displacedtexan]

7. win is the wrong verb

cheat is more like it. do you really think arnold would have risked everything to compete honestly?

[Nottingham]

9. It all depends who comes out and Vote!

:bounce:

[loudsue]

44. No, it matters who COUNTS the votes! Do you forget Florida so soon??

BBV is NOT a :tinfoilhat: conspiracy theory...it's reality.


:kick:

[atreides1]

10. This just goes to show

That the people of California are not as smart as they pretend to be.

Arnold is a puppet, nothing more, the Repukes will be pulling his strings all the way from Washington DC. And when the cuts are made to social services, and taxes are cut for the rich, the homeless rate will go up and the mortality rate for children will increase.

I guess it will be then that the people of California realize what a big mistake they made, electing a man of no substance.

But it's not my problem.

[bluefire2000]

14. no need to dis 'the people' of California

Remember, this was initiated by one wingnut with a lot of money. I for one, don't plan on voting for the recall or Arnold. I hope you can see that not all people in California are stupid, or wanted this to happen. There are however, a lot of people in this state (note: most people here are from somewhere else) don't take the time to look beyond soundbites and and familiar faces, like, unfortunately, much of the country.

[DK666]

17. If

I would have had a couple of million laying around I could have bought a recall also.

Will of the people my ass....

[nini]

22. EXCUSE ME?!??!

We are not as smart a we pretend? Some of us are very smart - not all of us are right wing kooks. We did re-relect DAvis in a legtimate election not even a year ago!

do you not understand what happened here? We are the victims of right wing money and a poorly written recall law. There is so much hype and BS going on it's ridiculous.

AND this is the entire country's problem. this is a huge issue in the right wing's attempt to subvert the democratic process.

hissss


Californian, Smart and proud.

[DK666]

29. You go

I got your 6......

[VOX]

38. "Not your problem?" You bet is IS your problem...

If CA falls into RW hands, it's a *big* problem for Democrats everywhere.

With the 2004 election nearly one year off, if CA is under Repuke rule (and their fund-raising machine is running full bore), it will be tougher on the Democratic candidate.

[Name removed]

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[Booberdawg]

11. QUIT THAT!!

[bluestateguy]

12. Davis will lose, but everything else is conjecture

There is no connection to this race and the presidential race next year. It is 2 separate elections. Democrats still control the SecState's office, which counts the votes, and Swarzenegger will have zero political capital. He will likely have to stand for a recall election of his own next year.

[baby_bear]

15. Depends on who turns out to vote

If the people who don't necessarily like Davis -but hate the thought of this vile Repug manipulation of their state - get out and vote, the recall will fail.

Not being in the state (anymore), I don't know what the Dems are doing to get out the vote.

It better be a huge effort!

s_m

[David__77]

18. Hi!

We're doing plenty. The unions and the party are in action. Please, if you are in California, join us! Contact your local party group:

http://www.ca-dem.org

[David__77]

16. Quit being fatalistic! Please read this regarding polling.

I have never before seen such varying polls in a political race as we have seen with regard to the recall campaign in California. There is much hoopla in the media concerning a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll showing the recall ahead by "63%" to "35%" and Schwarzenegger leading his nearest competitor, Cruz Bustamante, by 15 points.

We simply cannot give polls much credence in this case. I tend to believe that the reality is much closer to the LA Times poll, which shows the recall a very close race, or to the Field poll, which shows a half as small lead for the yes on recall vote. Even Schwarzenegger's own "internal" polls only show the actor leading by seven points at most. And, these "internal" polls are in part for the purpose of motivating a sense of momentum for media consumption.

The recall election will be pretty close, as will the successor election. We will be seeing other polls in the next few days which will be telling a different story than the one described by this CNN poll. In ALL polls, momentum is moving in the governor's direction. In the previous CNN poll, the recall was leading by "69%" to "24%"(!!!). Schwarzenegger led by a larger margin in the previous poll as well, at the same time other polls showed Bustamante with a lead.

I disagree with the poll's means of winnowing out those slightly less interested in the election. I think it's pretty obvious that those of us who find the recall distasteful are naturally less full-bore excited about the affair. We're motivated for different reasons. The overall sampling of registered voters showed a "55%" to "41%" lead for the recall.

Further, among all registered voters, Schwarzenegger leads Bustamante not 15, but only six points. These registered figures are much closer to the reality of the situation.

89% of the Republicans have decided their vote, while this is true of only 81% of the Democrats.

There are so many variables. Key, once again, is making absolutely sure that we have the votes in the ballot box on election day. We just need to mobilize the numbers, which we can do.

[kentuck]

19. Politics is war....

and truth is the first casualty of war. Nobody wants to vote for a loser. We need a pollster that will come out with a poll that says Davis is favored by 58% of the people and Arnold is slipping in the polls...But that wouldn't be accurate, would it? :shrug:

[noiretextatique]

20. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

aren't you forgetting: THE ELECTION!!! it's not until October 7th :wtf:

[FlashHarry]

21. Whomever 'wins' will either have to raise taxes or cut services.

It's a lose/lose scenario. Frankly, I don't understand why the hell the GOP is throwing so much behind it (I seriously doubt if it'll actually help 'deliver' CA for Bush in '04.) Besides, Ah-nold isn't even a true 'Puke. He's pro-choice, pro-gay and pro-gun control. The CA GOP is totally compromising its beliefs in order to back what it thinks is the winning horse. I wouldn't be surprised if, when the dust settles, you see a conservative mutiny within the CA GOP. This will hurt them more than help them, in my opinion.

[dfong63]

23. it ain't over til it's over

[Snellius]

25. It will only help further discredit the Republican Party

Arnold Schwartzenegger is a monstrosity who contradicts every ideological and cultural principle that conservatives stand for except the business interests of those who own them. Let Arnold try to balance the budget. Let him make the cuts. Let him compromize California's environmental regulations in the interest of "creating jobs." The buyer's remorse will make Jesse Ventura look like Roosevelt.

[Gin]

28. If he wins...so be it....he has no plan...will be working with a

democratic team..he has no skills, no experience and will show his ignorance quickly. Those that voted for him will have a bad taste in their mouths.

The planet will not stop spinning if we lose California.

[nolabels]

36. Some people are deluding themselves

Business is the only thing the repukes are about. The other secondary issues take a back seat when money is involved. This is very basic principle. They have no real intention of tending to peoples needs. (Being a little demagogic here, but on some levels its true)

They screwed California’s school systems up with Prop 13, so the solutions is take what money is left and make vouchers to privatize the school systems. Get rid of any kind social services or welfare programs and let churches and religious organizations take care of it. Take away common sense regulated monopoly utilities and privatize for profit.

Anybody that is not tuned into the philosophy of the republicans of Me,Me,Me and screw everybody else, don't know too many republicans.

[Speck Tater]

27. Arnold wins = good news

Look on the bright side. Arnold wins, under his mismanagment the California economy gets suddenly MUCH worse. Result: He and his party are seriously discredited just in time for the general election in 2004.

[einsteins stein]

33. The opposite could be true

if the Governator gets in, Bush will pull a California energy recovery out of his ass, the Repukes will look like heroes, and California lurches to the right.

Democrats can not win in 2004 without YOU, California.

Please, to my friends in California, do NOT let this scenario play out. Keep Davis for now, he is a lame duck regardless, and under intense scrutiny now and till his term has ended. Even if you do not like Davis, his wings have been clipped. Dont chance your state to Schwarzeneggar! Have'nt we had enough of charismatic idiots with no experience at governing driving the economy into a grave?

Your state is already realing. Arnold will not, and can not help you. Even if Bush helps him, you give Bush a tool, and he digs himself in a little further.

Vote NO on the recall, YES on Bustamante, and drag three or four friends to the poll with you.

PLEASE :-) ???

[xray s]

31. This has to be turned into a referendum on Bush

California is in deep sh*t primarily because of the failed economic policies of the Bush administration and the looting of the California treasury by Bush's buddies in the energy spec business.

This should be hammered over and over and over. Do you want to hand over the govenorship of California to Bush and Cheney, through their puppet Ahnold, so they can screw you some more?

[flamingyouth]

32. 'Cause one Unelected Idiot

Isn't enough in this country.

I've been really depressed about this today, although I'm trying to keep my hopes up.

[scarface2004]

34. arnold wins...

and then all kalifornia ends up on the bread line...starving masses riot...total anarchy...the army comes in and guns everybody down, and you think this helps the punk ass in the white house??!!!

whatever??!!

[stickdog]

37. Based on what? Some freep polls and your co-workers?

You are dead wrong. This thing could go either way.

The poll numbers were ADVISORY -- if you catch my drift.

[Booberdawg]

39. You need to knock this fatalist shit OFF. There are activists here

on DU still working their ASSES off on this recall and this shit doesn't help. That poll that came out today was a HEAD FUCK! Intended to suppress Dem turnout and cause JUST THIS KIND of a fatalist reaction. KNOCK IT OFF! This isn't over yet. There are OTHER POLLS that due to come out soon that do not show such a dramatic and sudden lead for Arnold that this one did today. This was BULLSHIT.

Quit it people! Have a little respect for OTHER people in this DU community and living in California that are still fighting this fight.

[VOX]

41. Go, Booberdawg! Thanks...

This Californian appreciates your good words...

:kick:

[Snellius]

43. Sometimes fear motivates more than optimism

The last polls with Bustamante in the lead may have given some a false sense of security. But the thought of a megalomaniac Hollywood monstrosity like Arnold Schwartzenegger actually becoming Governor of the Golden State is a horrifying idea to many, even among many Republicans. It's the same pact with the devil that moneyed interests made with Arnold's Austrian forebearer in Germany almost a century ago.

[VOX]

40. Please don't post this defeatist crap. If you've dissuaded one soul...

from going to the polls on Oct. 7 by your preemptive concession, then shame on you.

There's an election on October 7. All California Democrats need to get out their vote. The more we focus on that, the better our chance of stopping this folly.


edit: typos

[noiretextatique]

45. i agree...c'mon folks: california DUers don't need this shit!

especially the folks who are working on the NO on the recall effort. if you feel defeated, keep to yourself until after the goddamn ELECTION. fyi: it's not until October 7th, and here you are, DEMOCRATS, calling the damn race for the giant chimp.
with friends like this...

[greyl]

47. It sucks that this shitball subject was on the DU homepage for a few

minutes!

And the kicker is, the original doomsayer hasn't participated. :)

[Booberdawg]

48. THEN LET'S STOP RESPONDING TO IT SO IT DROPS OFF THE PAGE!

LET THIS FUCKER THREAD DIE!

[CBHagman]

49. This will bite him in the tuchis eventually.

If the boorish Austrian (what a disgusting, sexist lout he is) wins, he's going to have to deal with unromantic and inconvenient things, such as the legislature and the budget. It ain't going to be pretty or easy, and screaming over people isn't going to work.

Secondly, if he loses, let's be blunt. He can't have too much of a movie career left. He has no acting range, Hollywood is ageist, and what the heck is left? Sure, he can indulge his taste for bullying by directing, but that can only go so far.

Schwarzenegger may fare worse than anyone realizes. He may end up doing infomercials -- a horrible fate.