WHY are Religious Pro-Lifers Ok with using Fertility Drugs?

[matcom]

my sister is a RW fundie for example. Southern Baptist wacko.

she took fertility drugs to get pregnant. WHY?

wasn't it "God's WILL" that she NOT be able to conceive?

this has always irked me.

i asked her about it once. she hung up on me :rofl:

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. Not all are. Remember how freaked out some were over in vitro when

it was first being used?

[Iris]

5. I'm vehemently pro-choice and in-vitro freaks me out.

n/t

[Iris]

2. That's the burning question.

And I wonder how that will play out if they actually get an embryo defined as a human being AND a citizen? Will infertile couples have to agree to carry to term every viable embryo created through IVF? Or will they outlaw this sort of infertility treatment completely?

Or will they carry on as usual as hypocrites?

[wicket]

3. This has always bothered me too

Remember a few years back when a woman gave birth to multiple babies (I believe it was 7), all conceived through fertility drugs, but they wouldn't selectively abort any of them to give the others better chances at surviving because it was "against god's will". Whatever! If they really believe that then it was against gods will that they got pregnant in the first place. :eyes:

[SemiCharmedQuark]

4. Because they are saved already and thus not included in any of

the moralizing they do? Or possibly because they are huge hypocrites...

[SnowGoose]

6. I think it might be related to:

Hypocrisy.

theocracy/hypocrisy, tomayto/tomahto
Let's call the whole thing off.

[clover]

7. eugenics, eugenics, eugenics (nt)

[peace frog]

8. As long as you're bringing future Repugs into the world

it's perfectly OK to breed using fertility drugs. Now if you happen to be black or hispanic or from some other ethnic background that might predispose one to Dem Party values, well... you're just SOL, pal. }(

[revree]

9. She is in such denial...

I don't think you can reach these people, until the effects of the Kool Aid wears off...

[ClintonTyree]

god wants you to have all the christian babies you can.......

that way the collection plates weigh more each week. why is god so bad with his finances? :shrug: You;d think he had enough money by now, he needs to put himself on a strict budget.

Good question, matcom. THEY'RE PLAYING GOD BY DOING THAT! BLASPHEMY!

[leftylady]

10. Why are they OK with any kind of medicine.

Or any kind of science? Or any kinds of machines?

You just keep the stuff you like and make the rest a sin.

[friesianrider]

11. And, why don't they adopt instead of having kids?

I mean, those kids mothers "chose life" - I guess if they sit in an orphanage for the rest of their lives never knowing a family, well, that's okay.

IMHO, unless you've adopted at least one kid, you have no friggin' business demanding all these kids be born.

[meow2u3]

33. Repukes only want to adopt white infants

Even if the babies are from Ireland, where it's illegal for non-Irish citizens or residents to adopt, Judge Roberts. :evilgrin:

On a more serious note: too much red tape: birth parents changing their minds at the last minute, grandparental interference, birth dads popping out at the last minute to block an adoption, etc. It makes my blood boil that birth fathers who are convicted rapists even have parental rights!

If the Repunks are really anything like the pro-life "Casey Dems", they'd do more on a national level to reduce or eliminate the unnecessary barriers to domestic adoption.

[sinkingfeeling]

12. I don't know, but ask Bush. Weren't Jenna and Not-Jenna conceived

that way?

[BrklynLiberal]

27. W & Laura did too many drugs in their youth to able conceive naturally

....or maybe she just could not stomach having sex with him...

[jmowreader]

30. The twins are proof of Immaculate Conception

Put yourself in Pickles' pumps: Would you screw HIM?

[SonofMass]

13. Taking a drug to create life is no different than using medicine

or a procedure to get rid of a mass of cells. They can't think at any heightened level.

[deadparrot]

14. The Roman Catholic Church is technically against in-vitro...

but no one really listens.

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[SoCalDem]

16. Jesus wants them to be fruitful and multiply

and they probably feel that THEIR conception issues are a LIEBRUL experiment that was done on them without their knowledge..and since their insurance covers it, why not get all the value they can from that insurance..

[oldcoot]

17. God "wants" what they want

Have you ever noticed how God's will and their desires are almost always the same thing? I suspect, however, that you did hit a nerve with your sister based on her reaction.

[Iris]

29. There's a great article about this in Harper's.

It talks about the new mega churches and how they basically reinforce people's selfishness by convincing them it's all part of God's plan.

[AlCzervik]

18. Well if she produces no children then her marriage should end, isn't that

what they say, marriage is to produce children?

[Midlodemocrat]

19. I always thought that the McCaughey septuplets.

were a travesty. Sure, honey, it is God's will that you have a litter.

And, two of those children have disabilities. Their behavior makes me sick.

[displacedtexan]

20. The same reason "Christian Raves" are OK...

The Byebull doesn't specifically condemn it.

[SeanQuinn]

21. No idea. It's hypocrisy at it's finest.

Nice mention on AAR last night by the way, Matcom. :D

[matcom]

22. ??

:shrug:

[SeanQuinn]

28. Oh. Mike Malloy mentioned DU and how he's met some great people

like benburch and matcom.

[MisterP]

23. they're excessively malthusenthusiastic

[enki23]

24. actually... they should fight to mandate them

they increase the probability of successful implantation. if every woman of childbearing age were required to be on them we'd save more baby souls than outlawing abortion ever could. as with terri shiaivo, every life needs every chance we can give it.

if it's really about saving the babies, and they are babies from the moment of conception, then there can be no argument here. the rights of the mother, regarding forced medication, are not significant when considering the value of each precious human soul. failed implantation kills millions upon millions of babies every year. every life must be protected to the fullest extent we can, especially... ESPECIALLY innocents such as these.

[Ysolde]

25. This has always irked me & my husband too.

It's a fundamental hypocrisy to pick and choose medical procedures that are okay while saying others aren't okay (God wanted Terri Schiavo to die, why were they defying God?). But, these folks live with such huge amounts of cognitive dissonance constantly that this is really small-scale for them. I mean, the Bible is the literal word of God no matter how contradictory it is -- if they actually thought about anything their heads would explode.

The other thing that irks us both is that they are not Pro-Lifers. They are simply Pro-Birth. The only life that seems to matter is that of the child from conception to birth because they sure don't care about it after it's born. An example: My brother spouts how wrong abortion is, but when you want him to support policies to help lift women and children out of poverty, he's all of a sudden "not his brother's keeper". WTF? So, we don't talk. Bottom line: hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance will keep any of them from actually thinking.

[BrklynLiberal]

26. Could it be because they are self-righteous hypocrites whose principles

change on a moments notice to suit their own selfish needs?
:think:

[lotus]

31. They should adopt!

I'm not too thrilled about them either. Too much risk of multiple sickly births, and there are plenty of "unadoptable" needy children out there desperately hoping for a good home. If you can't figure out how to have kids and want them, you should adopt.

[meow2u3]

32. Fertility drugs (over)stimulate ovulation

but allow couples to conceive by having sex. They simply provide a "booster shot" to increase the chances of a couple conceiving naturally.

Fertility drugs are not the same as in vitro fertilization, where the kids are conceived in a petri dish and the fertilized egg is implanted in the mom.