Government: release of Abu Ghraib prison photos could cause riots

[katinmn]

The Bush Administration doesn't want Americans to know what is being done in their name.

The photos of women and children being raped won't cause riots in the US (will they?), but the horrible pics are already available all over the Middle East and Europe. And of course on the Internet.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--detaineerecords0812aug12,0,7867988,print.story?coll=ny-region-apnewyork

Government: release of Abu Ghraib prison photos could cause riots
By LARRY NEUMEISTER
Associated Press Writer

August 12, 2005, 3:06 PM EDT

NEW YORK -- Releasing pictures and videotapes of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison would aid al-Qaida recruitment, weaken Afghanistan and Iraqi governments and incite riots against U.S. troops, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff says.

The warning by Gen. Richard B. Myers was contained in court papers filed in U.S. District Court in Manhattan and recently unsealed.

The government submitted additional papers to the court Friday arguing that some information in its arguments that remains redacted should not be made public.

Myers said the release of the pictures "pose a clear and grave risk of inciting violence and riots against American troops and coalition forces."
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[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. They should have thought of that before they did the things

that are in the pictures. What's their theory -- DOING that shit isn't so bad; just don't show anybody any pictures of it??

[The Backlash Cometh]

33. What the hell were they thinking? Depraved minds.

[saigon68]

97. Photos of a 14 year old Boy Anally Raped

With testimony of a witness in the Taguba report of the Child's screams being ignored as his Rectum was savaged by a CIa Interrogator.

[I Have A Dream]

116. As well as being citizens of the US, we are also citizens of the world.

If our country is doing things like this, and we know about it and say nothing, then we're partly responsible as well.

I owe more allegiance to humanity than I do to this f*cking administration or even to this country. I love the US, but I will not sit by while it commits crimes against humanity.

Additionally, if we allow them to cover this up, they'll just continue to do the same thing. I will have no blood on my hands!

[donheld]

137. I guess these people don't believe in Karma

Reaping what one sows. Chickens coming home to roost.

[I Have A Dream]

142. We can only hope that it happens in this lifetime rather than...

a future lifetime and that it's not considered by the Universe to be karma on our country so that we also have to pay for the terror wrought by our government on these poor, innocent people.

[Trevelyan]

41. I usually pass up links with a warning about the graphic nature of photos

Downloaded some of children who had died or been terribly maimed and would leave printed copies outside of stores.

Then tried lighter anti-bush flyers but now maybe is the time to print these photos and start leaving them in grocery baskets and in aisles and restrooms of stores.

There was a photo site on Fallujah and the name was changed to World In Crises but I would appreciate any links.

The site on Fallujah said if we are big enough to go to war we should be big enough to see what we have done.

Cageprisoners.com for UK Muslims taking about helping their brothers and sisters who are being driven crazy by the torture. They only release people as they did in South America as a PsyOps to create fear of opposing the US but it doesn't look like it is working in the Middle East.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[kcass1954]

109. Here you go...

http://crisispictures.org/

There are pictures I saw there last year that are burned in my mind. So sad what's being done in our name. This misadministration is no better than Saddam was.

[jackstraw45]

2. Maybe if they had thrown the book at those responsible

instead of promoting them, the demand for the photos wouldn't be so large.

But when Bush PROMOTES the SOBs who ordered torture, we must DEMAND accountability.

[babsbunny]

5. Let's take a look at what is so horrible!

Can anyone MAKE them release these photo's/video's??

[jackstraw45]

11. The courts - the ACLU is hard at work...

The court ordered them to be released but the government is stalling.

[Imagevision]

126. Video's of Iraqi Army stooges sodomizing a kid in front of his mother

yeah! I'd say releasing the pics-video's would restart a bloodbath as when the more milder pics were released. Bush blew it by blaming it on a few grunts and allowed the 4star generals to walk...

They hung it on the female General and Sanchez was relocated, then concentrated on the; "few bad apples"

[uppityperson]

25. Exactly

[awesomejobs2002]

84. I CAN'T BELIEVE BUSH AND CHENY

...COULD DO SOMETHING SO HORRIBLE! i HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THE PICTURES BUT THE ALLEGATION JUST MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL! SHAME ON THE CORPORATE MEDIA FOR IGNORING THIS!

[bookman]

86. Welcome to DU

Awesome. I might suggest you avoid using the all caps. Although this is something to "yell" about.

Welcome to another Texans fan!

[I Have A Dream]

113. Very good point. n/t

[jsamuel]

3. "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."

I heard that a lot when I was a kid.

[Eloriel]

49. Yep. And my momma always told me: Don't DO things you're

ashamed of. (So you wouldn't have to be embarrassed if they were found out.)

One problem, of course, is that these people aren't capable of shame, OR embarrassment, just political problems and losses.

[bluestateguy]

4. They're right

They could cause riots.

That's why they never should have raped small children and women in the first place.

Sorry! Try again next time.

[katinmn]

16. Exactly!

[0rganism]

6. Doesn't the fact that they do exist combined with his explanation...

...serve the same purpose? Why does Gen. Myers hate the troops?!?!

Seriously. The damage done by not releasing the photos and leaving it all to imagination or hoaxers could easily be more severe than releasing the photos and holding the perpetrators legally responsible.

[displacedtexan]

7. The photo is worse than the actual crime?

AAAAACKKKK!

Wrong answer.

[Kerrytravelers]

8. You bet, The population of Crawford would multiply like you've never seen

[Joanne98]

9. Where are the pictures available? LINK?

[Eric J in MN]

39. The military isn't releasing them. They're not available except

to the military.

[katinmn]

45. Ssearch DU archives. There were lots of threads on this

a week or two ago.

[Trevelyan]

134. There are other horrible pictures from this very dirty war available.

Please print them out and leave in stores with flyers for the March on Washington Sept. 24-26 on the back.

Helen Says:
August 12th, 2005 at 6:55 pm
Well, I have permanently parked my vehicle. When innocent children’s blood is being spilled so we can drive our cars, maybe it’s time to park them for peace.

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Comments should address one of the following:
What is going on?
What is the history?
What can we do to help the victims?

All points of view are welcome. Racist language and personal attacks are not.
http://crisispictures.org/2005/08/12/fallujah-in-pictures/

Harrison Ford is making a movie about Fallujah.
I encourage him to come visit this web site as part of his research.

You can write him at:
Harrison Ford
c/o United Talent Agency
9560 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 500,
Beverly Hills, CA 90212, USA.

Other stories from Fallujah

I wish Henry Kissinger, war criminal and Greg Palast has the story of how Kissinger and others at the World Bank give loans at usurious (forbidden explicitly by the Bible) rates so that the US or Bilderbergers can steal the Third World counties' resources and their interference and stirring up trouble has greatly helped this and other human tragedies.

The 64 cents a day is an invention of the Kissinger's and Bilderbergers who have more wealth than they could spend in a hundred lifetimes and yet continue to steal massive, unbelievable amounts from the poor and dying.

The only thing to do is to pray for their conversion and/or that Jesus comes soon to put things right and I do believe he will comfort those who mourn and the judgment on those who created these disasters will be terrible in the fast approaching Judgment Day.

http://crisispictures.org/2005/08/11/niger-this-is-what-64-cents-a-day-bu

[longship]

10. Who in the fuck is responsible for that?

It seems that if the government has a policy to torture and abuse prisoners under their responsibility, they deserve the consequences of those policies. But this administration doesn't want to be held accountable to anything. And they will restrict freedom of the press, or any other Constitutional rights to escape accountability.

[katinmn]

12. ACLU news release -- "our leaders left our troops out on a limb"

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=18910&c=206
"The ACLU shares everyone's deep concern about the dangers facing American soldiers in Iraq and elsewhere," said ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero. "The actions depicted in these photos and videos demonstrate the failure of American leaders who placed our young men and women in compromising situations and are now seeking to blame them for it. The real shame here is that our leaders left our troops out on a limb and now they are hiding behind a veil of rank and government office to avoid accountability."

[ironman202]

13. Dimwits think the release of information is the cause??? Amazing!!!

A pluperfect example of anal-cranial inversion syndrome. "Oh jeeze, that aspirin I took sure gave me a headache!"

[tocqueville]

14. maybe they are afraid of riots... in America ?

[Booster]

65. Ding, ding, ding. If the people in the Middle East have seen them

and almost everyone in Wash DC has seen them, then we are the only ones being kept in the dark. You do have to wonder though, just who in the Hell was sick enough to take these pictures and what was their motive for taking them?

[awesomejobs2002]

107. What are they trying to hide?

Maybe the delay is cause the sex sites that own them aren't making them available due to US copyright law. Couldn't Bush just steal them too...

[leesa]

129. Randi Rhodes said the guy who took them brought them to the Pentagon as a

whistleblower but he was told to STFU so he went to ACLU. Don't know the details but she mentioned it this past week.

[Ptah]

98. That was my thought,

: the sentient citizens of the USA see these images;

there will be riots in the streets.

What have these thugs done in our name?




On edit:

Christian nation, my ass.
On second edit:

Put the bastards on trial.

The bastards being the policy makers.



Bastards!

On third edit:

Bring our fighting troops home.

There are forest fires that need their attention.

[Hubert Flottz]

15. We should hand ass kissers like Myers over to the mothers in

Iraq who have lost their sons in this elective neocon war! A war brought on by liars like Myres!

[tridim]

17. They're only worried about the riots at the WH

when good citizens come in and kick their torturing and raping asses out of our house. Al Qaida already knows what happened in Abu Ghraib, it's Americans that don't know yet.

[katinmn]

21. Yes, aq knows - as does most everyone outside the US

And everyone with an Internet connection who wants to find the photos can do so.

[Hubert Flottz]

26. And the Democrats in congress have helped keep a lid on this!

They know what the private contractors and CIA did in Iraq! They know who ordered it too!

[Imagevision]

50. Really! Dem senators equally guilty

[Hubert Flottz]

64. They are old enough to know right from wrong!

They should be bringing this up in congress, on the record EVERY DAY, until it is stopped and the guilty pay for these crimes!

You are the one who said the democrats were guilty not me! I said the democrats have helped keep the lid on this, since the truth came out! REPUBLICANS were in charge of the prisons and the DOD!

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[Warren Stupidity]

18. Everyone in Iraq knows what happened.

It happened to them, or to their children, or their parent, or their cousins, or their neighbors. Everyone watching al jazeera knows what we did and are doing. Guess they think that us fat'n'lazy folks here at home are going to riot when we find out what was done in our name.

Actually, that would be a problem as they shipped the entire national guard over to iraq for torture duty - who the heck would put down our riots?

[politicaholic]

19. More pictures aren't going to make things better or worse.

It just shows how completely out of control of the situation those a-holes in the WH truly are.

I can't believe Americans reelected that incompetant boob.

[indepat]

20. Should everything this Administration has done be revealed, wonder if that

would spark a little commotion?

[katinmn]

24. One would hope. Still, as my friend on DU said:

We have already hit bottom, now they're drilling - dxstone

[CrispyQ]

60. OMG!

We have already hit bottom, now they're drilling - dxstone

If it weren't so sad, it would be funny.

:banghead:

[Trevelyan]

66. Help the ACLU to bring the evil out of the closet and see if people will

believe Rush that these were fraternity pranks.

https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage&page=UserAction&id=225

No one should be above the law, but FBI agents have reported government-funded abuse of prisoners in Guantanamo Bay, including persons "chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor, with
no chair, food, or water...for 18, 24 hours or more."

Funding should be stopped for Guantanamo Bay prison and secret government-funded prisons where these abusive practices are likely to occur.

Congress should also ensure that all prisoners get such basic protections as humane treatment, access to a lawyer and a court, the right to know the government's charge against them, and a meaningful right to prove their innocence.

The government should not be able to transfer prisoners to foreign governments that torture people. I have read that people are being shackled and flown on government-chartered planes to countries such as Syria and Egypt where they are tortured -- typically without any criminal charge or any useful information being obtained. I understand that the government even kidnapped a Canadian citizen in
New York, flew him to Syria where he was tortured for nine months, and then released him -- without ever charging him with any crime.

I have read that some prisoners are being held in complete secrecy. The federal government continues to hold prisoners, known as "ghost detainees," in secret prisons around the globe. These prisons were created after President Bush signed a secret presidential order based on a secret memorandum scheming to keep prisoners off prison rolls and outside the reach of the Red Cross.

Once again, I urge you to cut off all funds for the Guantanamo Bay prison, for secret government-funded prisons around the globe and for sending people to foreign countries that torture people. I furthermore urge you to ensure that all prisoners get basic protections such as humane treatment, access to a lawyer and a court, the right to know the government's charge against them and a meaningful chance to prove their innocence.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this matter.
~~~~

As your constituent,I urge you to cut off all funds for the Guantanamo Bay prison, for secret government-funded prisons around the globe and for sending people to foreign countries that torture people. It is time to hold the government accountable by stopping these practices and halting funding for such un-American acts.
~~~

https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage&id=154&page=UserAction

An outside special counsel is the only way to ensure that all civilians who violated, or conspired to violate, the Anti-Torture Act, and other federal laws against torture and abuse will be fully investigated and held responsible for their criminal acts. A small number of enlisted men and women in the military and a few low-ranking military officers should not be the only persons held responsible for the torture and abuse that repulsed all Americans. The public - and Congress - deserve to know the full extent to which torture has been implemented for prisoners.

The Administration should also commit to the prompt release of all other torture-related documents, needed to shed light on the interrogation policies that authorized or allowed abuse or torture of prisoners at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, and elsewhere.

Once again, I urge you to appoint an outside special counsel to investigate and, if warranted, prosecute civilians who violated, or conspired to violate, the Anti-Torture Act or other laws prohibiting the torture or abuse of prisoners and to release the key torture-related documents.


The dark places of the earth are filled with the habitation of cruelty. Psalms

[uppityperson]

22. The problem is not releasing them but that it happened.

why is it so difficult for these people to understand the basic simple fact? That was a rhetorical question.

[movonne]

23. They are saying they are so bad that there might be riots and violence

against America troops and coalition forces..I thought that was going on now...

[katinmn]

27. say, that's right, isn't it?

stupid worse-than-hypocritical neocons

[LibertyorDeath]

28. Well that's just to fucking bad they should have thought about that

before they adopted their Torture Policy.

[rzemanfl]

29. Why I reminded of a kid saying "don't tell my parents, they'll

kill me." I am so sick and tired of Bushworld...

[GreenPartyVoter]

32. Ayuh

[Wizard777]

30. If they don't release them Everyone assume the worst & light your torches.

If they do release them. Everyone just light your torches.

[katinmn]

31. let's make up our minds that it will be peaceful

[Wizard777]

56. Absolutely! I statyed this long journey screaming give peace a chance.

Given teh greedom of choice. I choose the tool applications of a torch over it's weapons applications. Actually I think the Bish administration will try to incite riots in the ultimate power grab on their Treason Train. They will derail the legal actions against them by inciting riots and declaring martial law. The ultimate power to tell America, Do as I say right now or be killed.

[glitch]

58. Greedom - it's a good word for them. I realize you didn't mean it that way

but really, isn't that what the neo-cons are fighting for?
They hate us for our greedom.

[Olney Blue]

69. Greedom's just another word...

for nothin left to lose.

Good word.

[glitch]

95. for what's yours is mine.

aka gimme gimme gimme

[AuntieM1957]

122. Greedom's just another word for nothing left to STEAL n/t

[Pluvious]

125. It's not FREEDOM they hate us for...

... it's Greedom !

[Wizard777]

127. I do that a lot. I think it's a freudian slip.

I'm really in touch with my subconscious and it's incapable of lying. I have had a hard time typing Freedom correctly since bush took office. I also use an unlabeled keyboard. It's a new spin on one of my old debating tricks. I used to debate marijuana legalization. I wouldn't allow the team to use any notes. Then after DEA rants about short term memory loss. I would point out to the observers that they were the only one using notes. Why can't they remember their material?

[titoresque]

138. Thats great!

LMAO!!

[Trevelyan]

143. Please sign petition supporting McCain's Mutiny Against Bushco Torture

http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/action.cfm?ItemId=18645


Torture is un-American. The pictures and stories from Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo sickened and disgusted me. Our cruel and inhumane treatment of these so-called "detainees" -- many of whom may be completely innocent -- has only served to inspire more extremism and hatred of Americans across the world.

The Bush administration is now claiming that a common standard for how the U.S. military treats our prisoners of war will somehow harm the fight against terrorism. I could not disagree more.

I strongly support the McCain-Graham-Warner amendment to the defense authorization bill that will prohibit cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment of prisoners in U.S. custody -- and I ask that you do so as well. Let's send a message to this administration -- and to the world -- that we as Americans do not condone torture in any form.

I would greatly appreciate hearing from you as to whether or not you will rise to the occasion and take a moral stand against torture. I look forward to your reply.

Sincerely,


~~~Support McCain's Mutiny Against Bush's Torture Policies

Contributed by Working Assets


A few short years ago, almost no one in America had heard of places called Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib. Now, those names have become infamous worldwide -- for repeated instances of torture, inflicted by Americans on prisoners we continue to hold there as part of the so-called "war on terror." In fact, the internationally-respected human rights organization Amnesty International recently referred to Guantanamo as the "gulag of our times."

In response to this crisis, Republican Senators McCain, Warner and Graham recently introduced amendments to the defense authorization bill that would expressly prohibit cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment of prisoners in U.S. custody. Incredibly, the Bush Administration is threatening to veto the entire defense bill because of this one provision -- claiming it interferes with the President's ability to fight terrorism.

As Americans, we ALL need to speak out loud and clear on this issue and let our Senators know that we don't approve of torture -- or this administration's condoning its use.

Call to action

Urge your senators to support the McCain-Graham-Warner amendment to the defense bill to categorically prohibit torture of those in U.S. custody.
Deadline: ongoing

~~~

http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/action.cfm?itemid=19450

Nominate KICK :dem: :kick: :cry: :cry:

[damntexdem]

34. Telling the truth could get us into trouble.

Yeah, better to lie to the world, even though the world knows we're telling bald-faced lies.

[DistressedAmerican]

35. No Dick, The Torture poses a clear and grave risk of inciting violence

Photos are not the problem. The ongoing torture of detainees in American custody is doing more to harm this country that any of us can imagine. These photos will be burned into the minds of both our allies and enemies for decades to come.

If they were worried about the abuse resulting in violence they never should have ordered it to be done!

Sickening excuses.

If the brief was truthful, it would say that, "We should not release the pics because it would destroy the presidency of George Bush and end the neocon dream of mideast domination FOREVER."

These are sick, evil people we are fighting. I will never stop until this disaster of a war ends and Bushco faces chargesw for crimes against humanity.

UUUURRRGGGG!!!!

[DS1]

36. Okay, if they're available in the Middle East, don't you think ONE

DUer would've found them by now?

[katinmn]

38. Photo threads were widely circulated here last week!

I looked but I didn't bookmark any (pretty awful stuff). Maybe someone else did.

[DS1]

44. uh huh

I didn't see anything new at all. and I'd remember something like that

there were an artist's rendition of them, which begs the question, if the artist saw them how come nobody else has.

[katinmn]

46. Hang on. Someone will repost the links.

[DS1]

52. I'm hanging

:hi:

[katinmn]

76. Here's one of the sites. Hiley had another link. (Warned you)

http://www.jerusalemites.org/iraq/photos.htm

[Richard D]

100. Some of the photos on that site . . .

. . . are phoney. From a movie. Most are real though.

[Crazytree]

135. It appears that the "new" photos are fakes.

http://www.fleshbot.com/archives/iraq_babes_screenshots.php

I'm ex-military. There are two major glaring problems with those pics. (1) Man in jungle face paint. They're not in the jungle, there is absolutely ZERO reason to paint your face like that in a desert environment. (2) Boots but no pants. In order to get your pants off, you're going to have to take off your boots. No reason to put them back on and lace them up after you've taken your pants off.

That being said, it is indisputable that US forces engaged in sexual misconduct with POW's. However, these pictures are not legitimate representations of such misconduct.

[katinmn]

140. The site you linked is disgusting. Iraqis have blogged that photos

of women being raped were being used on violent porno sites. Guess you found one of them.

They are outraged!

Who wouldn't be?

Anyone that would photograph a rape would also be capable of selling the photos. This needs to be brought into the light.

[katinmn]

112. More

http://www.aztlan.net /

http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm

http://www.aztlan.net/nineyearoldrapevictim.htm
http://www.aztlan.net/iraqichildrenhorror.htm

[Trevelyan]

133. Thank you for the links, though the photos of the victims of this insane

war are horrible. Print out the articles with the photos and on the reverse side go to ANSWER and print one of the flyers for the March on Washington Sept. 24, 2005 and leave them in your grocery cart when you leave store.

Put them on top of items in the store aisles, in the restrooms, on benches, in between the pages of the lying Washington Post, on magazine stands, anywhere you can think of so that Americans who do not have Internet access or who have been avoiding even the small amount of news in the MSM will know.

One of the Gold Star fathers told Cindy Sheehan recently that when he tells people his son died in the war they say, "What war?". This is beyond disgusting, make sure as many people as possible see these photos and know about the March on Washington, petitions and addresses to write to for those without Internet access.

[Crazytree]

136. Fabrication. Please see above reply. Thank you.

-nt

[katinmn]

139. Crazytree - where's your evidence? Welcome to DU!

[Imagevision]

37. Nonetheless, more innocent people would be killed if they were released

catch22 - but not prosecuting those responsible allowing them to go free,even 3-4 star generals, they fucked up trying to lay the blame on a few grunts!

Now they say, well, the video's of young boys being sodomized in front of their mothers is a national security threat! damn straight it is, this is what the war scumbags have brought upon us americans! This is the kind of President we have and will have for 3 1\2 more bloody years

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

130. The people who are in jeopardy, if these are seen, are shrubco.

[lockdown]

40. So was the whole Newsweek Afghanistan riots brouhaha

cooked up as a precedent to justify this defence?

[SharonAnn]

42. Probably.

[lockdown]

57. It figures

That story seemed a bit ridiculous to me at the time (though what's new), a bit of a desperate and foolish distraction, but in retrospect the whole controversy could serve them well as part of a justification for not releasing all kinds of damaging info. But people will die!

[Imagevision]

43. This boils down to Rumsfeld! - He gave the go ahead!!

[karlrschneider]

47. Well, we sure as hell wouldn't want the Iraq 'situation' to devolve into

a RIOT, would we?
:eyes:

[Clark2008]

48. So, it causes rioting... they shouldn't have quietly condoned this shit.

That's like blaming the cop who caught you drinking and driving.

[helderheid]

51. they are available overseas and on the internet??

I missed that. Why isn't the world press all over it?

[madmark]

53. Is it fair for the average grunt who has to go on patrol everyday

in that godforsaken place to have the local populace even more enraged by what I am sure are absolutely awful obscene photos and video? My question is not rhetorical as I am not really sure of the answer, but I do think the issue is really not being considered here that much. Our guys there are basically hostages in Iraq at the mercy of this President's incompetent policy. Do we want them put in anymore harm? Put the people that actually did these war crimes in prison, especially the idiot that came over from Guantanamo and taught all this bullshit and has been applauded as a result by this incompetent administration, don't put the average grunt in even more danger.

[struggle4progress]

67. Yep. Photos could cause war crimes prosecutions. eom

[Imagevision]

54. Recommend this story

[DistressedAmerican]

55. Please People Vote This Thread Up The Greatest Page!

This is one thing that could destroy Bushco. If these materials are released it will bring the neocon dream of mideast domination to a quick end.

Get them released soon and we may be able to head off the coming war in Iran!

Please kick and nominate!

[awesomejobs2002]

87. IRAN THEN N. KOREA THEN CUBA

BUSHCO KEEPS STABILISING GLOBAL MARKETS BY PLACATING THEM WITH COFFEE SHOPS LIKE STARBUCKS THEN WHILE THE POLITICOS ARE ENJOYING A LOW-FAT GRANDE LATTE AND A COOKIE THE HALLIBURTON HIT SQUAD MOVE IN AND ASSASSINATE THE PEASANT UPRISING TO CORNER THE GLOBAL MARKET ON WHATEVER FUCKED UP THING THEY WANT THIS WEEK.

[awesomejobs2002]

88. And to think I voted for Bush....

wait... It was all a nightmare. Auntie Em... Auntie Em?...

[ClintonTyree]

59. Tough shit, Myers!

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. These are CRIMINALS, they deserve to be tried before the World Court and sentenced accordingly.
bush made such a big deal out of Saddam's "rape and torture rooms". To this day, neo-cons flaunt this information in our faces, "well, at least Saddam's rape and torture rooms are closed". :eyes: They're NOT CLOSED! They're just under new management! If ANY of our people committed crimes, they should suffer the consequences. WE ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW!
Damn the Pentagon, these photos MUST be released. The American people have a right to know what these criminals are doing in OUR NAME! This affects all of us, not just service men and women. It's our country's reputation that is on the line, not the reputation of the people that committed these crimes.
We've become just as bad as our supposed enemy when we commit acts such as these.
WELL, NOT IN MY NAME, ASSHOLES! RELEASE THE PICTURES AND PROSECUTE THE GUILTY! :grr:

[understandinglife]

61. What they are going to cause is jail time, for a bunch of big shots.

Peace.

[tuvor]

62. The photos won't cause riots, dammit.

It's the ACTIONS of some people that would cause riots. They only happen to be documented in photographs.

Accept responsibility. Accept blame. Accept the consequences of your actions.

Godammit!

[wtmusic]

74. exactly

"shoot the messenger" syndrome. What a numbskull.

[RoyGBiv]

63. Screw you, Mr. Chairman ...

The actions depicted in those photographs is what will incite riots. No actions, no photographs.

As for not in the United States ... we'll see.

[JanusAscending]

85. RIOTS!!

It seems that everyone is mis-interpreting what the General is saying in re to riots if the photos are released! I think he's referring to riots here in the ole'US of A!!! Damn straight, after seeing just a few of these (somewhat censored) photos, this would give the PEACE MOVEMENT TOO MUCH POWER!!! This country would be so up in arms there would be a civil war!! Maybe I'm wrong, but this is my interpretation of the Generals' statement. The sad thing about it is, many Americans would treat the troops that come back from Iraq much like they did our guys when they got back from Nam, no? I'd appreciate someone else's thoughts on my "take" of this.:shrug:

[OKDem08]

120. That was my interpretation, as well

Release of these photos would absolutely decimate what remaining support they have among the American people for continued occupation of Iraq.

[Ready4Change]

68. Isn't that an admission of Guilt un the USA's part?

We can't show the pictures because they are so bad they'll cause riots.

Well, ok then. Some horrendous sh*t happened down there. LOTS of it. Lets see some heads roll.

Lessee, who in the chain of command helped create this situation? Who changed orders and loosed up what was and wasn't allowable?

[DistressedAmerican]

70. Kicker!

[lynettebro440]

79. Kick

:bounce: :kick:

[Guaranteed]

71. So arrest and try them before you release the pictures. nt

[No Blood for Hubris]

72. Transparency , anyone? Accountability

anyone?

Oh, well, I actually mean, anyone in power? No? Oh.

Oh, well, of course you want neither transparency nor accountability, because, of course, Bushist fascists have no (apparent) consciousness of wrongdoing--due to their unaccountable, megalomaniacal hubris--and also because their world view is totally f****d!

PTUI.

[DistressedAmerican]

75. Arrest and try who? I am a bit confused. Help me out.

[tmooses]

73. We had a congressman advocate bombing Mecca and not so much

as a rebuke or censure from the Repubs. "Releasing pictures and videotapes of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison would aid al-Qaida recruitment, weaken Afghanistan and Iraqi governments and incite riots against U.S. troops, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff says."----sounds like all these could be applied to the calling of the bombing of Mecca.

[jbnow]

77. Oh no, violence against Americans?

Ruining everything because right now they all like us so darn well.

[kliljedahl]

78. Needs to be kept to the front

Kick & nominate



Keith’s Barbeque Central

[stevietheman]

80. Dear Chairman Myers: SO BE IT!!

If the Iraqis riot, you earned it, BE-ATCH!

Maybe if you made the prison guards follow *American values*, you wouldn't be in this fine mess. Jackass.

Release all the photos... every last one of them.

[Renew Deal]

82. If they are that bad

Then that's what it shall be. Those pictures are our pictures, no matter how horrible they are. They deserve to be seen.

[Albert Cirrus]

83. Since when does the bush care about inciting violence?

Release the damn photos, we need to see what the giggling monkey is doing in our name.

[awesomejobs2002]

89. Dammit anyway...

Outrage wont come from the release of pictures or the release of documents! Everyone here knows that the outrage will come from the pure unadulturated charges! The Bush/Cheney crew will have a lot to answer for even if they did nothing at all... SHAME ON THEM!!!

[katinmn]

94. They've tried to make it "legal" to conduct torture

We do need to hold them accountable for their crimes -- all of them.

Welcome to DU, awesomejobs!

[jurassicpork]

90. Define "irony" and "chutzpah."

"Releasing pictures and videotapes of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison would aid al-Qaida recruitment, weaken Afghanistan and Iraqi governments and incite riots against U.S. troops."

So explain why they're still putting President Pooty Tang on TV. If his assclownish behavior this year alone hasn't made the sheeple riot, nothing will.

JP
http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com

[brettdale]

91. kick

kick

[awesomejobs2002]

92. According to the Koran

A Jihad could be be nothing more than having a good job and taking care or your family.

[volitionx]

93. Fuck the Neocons...

They started the torture, they should deal with the ramifications of the truth getting out.

Most people in the Middle East already know about what happened in Abu Graib, so this won't make a huge difference if it gets out. What, the neocons think that if it gets out, the citizens of the Middle East won't love us anymore?

THEY HATE THE U.S. FOR ITS POLICIES ALREADY.

Show us the fucking photos, you CRIMINALS.

Bush should be in prison with the rest of the fascist neocons.

[nadinbrzezinski]

96. na, they fear the consequences HERE in the US

there will be demonstrations, IN PEORIA...

[whistle]

99. What did Bush say, "....bring em on!".....

...theses bastards were afraid to release the photos last year because they would have caused riots alright, but those riots would have been in the streets of U.S. towns, cities and villages. The chances of a Bush election victory would have been less than half of what he supposedly got and many republican hawks in congress would have been sent home with their wings clipped. Now the photos will prove to be clear grounds for the impeachment of George Bush and the entire BushCo cabal in Washington DC.

[emanymton]

101. I Learned In Viet Nam - Bad News Does Not Get Better With Age.

[nytemare]

108. Isn't that the truth

It peeves me to no end that the only people paying for the torture policy are the low level troops, including those getting bombed and shot because Iraqi's got angry at seeing the photos. This policy put the troops in more danger than anything. And, in the process, kept America in their sights. This, along with maybe a couple of other things, is the biggest failure of the administration.

[Orsino]

102. They had no trouble prying into the details of Clinton's affair...

...far beyond the scope of their Whitewater investigation.

There's a lesson here, though, in policy on security classification. Classifying documents simply to prevent embarrassment is specifically prohibited.

If we let them conceal the scope of the abuses, the abuses will continue.

[Orsino]

103. Where on the Internet are these pictures?

I think I need to see them.

[katinmn]

111. Peruse dxstone's thread for links. (Images will turn your stomach)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1987086

[AnnieBW]

104. It Makes Me Wonder

Why they relieved that four-star General of his command very quietly, with just the explaination of "sexual misconduct". Maybe he was pushing for the piccies to be released, and they punished him by busting him down because of an old affair that he had with a civilian woman?

[DemonFighterLives]

110. Welcome to DU!

Yeah, Adultery is a big deal, but the sexual perversion and torture against Geneva Conventions is no big deal. Everything this administration does is in the opposite direction.

Great thread here Katinmn!
:yourock:
:dem:

[amb123]

105. Just another excuse to hide their crimes against humanity.

:argh: :grr: :nuke:

[stubtoe]

106. Only one way to say it.

We are f****d. This will take GENERATIONS to heal.

[NEOBuckeye]

114. Rumsfeld and Cheney should both be severely punished for this.

They're both behind this stupid war and profiting like madmen from it. As an added "bonus" for these bastards, they are getting their jollies from watching innocent people suffer. I bet they both have personal copies of the video tapes of the women and children being raped and abused.

They're both sick, vile old men who deserve to spend the rest of their days rotting in federal prison cells. And even that would be going too easy on them.

I say drag them both out of office, send them to The Hague and make them stand trial before the entire world for War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity. The trial should be broadcast worldwide. And Murdoch should be forced to broadcast every minute of it live here in the US on Faux News.

[lonestarnot]

115. Waaaaiting!

[corker]

117. kick

sadly

[carnie_sf]

118. I wonder if he means

car bombs, and shooting dow helicopters?

[shadowknows69]

119. and releasing the 9/11 tapes could and has

caused dangerous rabid nationalism.

[Geek_Girl]

121. I hope and pray those photos are released

Back in July '04 I sent a letter to quite a few news organization asking them to cover this none would. Though it was widely reported in other countries.

I told people about it that were going to vote for this administration but they just kind of shook their heads in disbelief. The American people have got to know what is being done in our names. Even if it is putting American GI's in danger.

[opihimoimoi]

123. The phrase "Bring Them On" ...by bush...that don't count here.??

A latta troops died because that.....the Iraqi Peeps went NUTz and guess what...we still dying....a few more photos oughta do some good. They would show the American People it was a Major Mistake to entrust these Nuts in the White House///

That the main reason for stonewallin...

[liberalismresurgent]

124. There's 0 chance the photos won't be released

district judge, Alvin Hellerstein is a liberal, thank God. He already said that the photos must be released. He will issue a mandate tomorrow to release the pictures. The photos will be seen soon.

[katinmn]

128. Thanks, liberalismresurgent. We'll watch for that

Thanks, all, for the comments.

[DistressedAmerican]

132. I Tend To Agree Here. This Is The Showdown!

Add this to crawford and this thing just blew wide open.

THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR!!!

[leesa]

131. If the photos are already out there, why can't we just get them and spread

them everywhere?? There's already a court decision demanding there release.

[Joe Chi Minh]

141. Did the Nazis perpetrate

child rape as a matter of policy?

I've read, heard and seen records of their many countless atrocities, but I don't ever recall reading of that. So, it seems the wingnuts are right in their contention that Bushco are not Nazis. Hmm. You live and learn.

A particularly bizarre case of the broken clock adage... "Goldurn it! More righter here than an atomic clock"! I can hear wingnuts exclaim.