I think a 2nd Watergate is coming

[RobertFrancisK]

Or 3rd, if you count the Clinton impeachment. Karl Rove leaking a CIA agent is big news, and as soon as a few republicans break ranks and call for an independent investigation, it'll hit the fan. Maybe. Most likely not though.
I will guarantee that if this scandal isn't investigated, the next one will break the camels back. The Administration got away with Enron with easy, was able to get passed the uranium comment, and I would imagine they'll beat this too, but with incredible difficulty. Once the next scandal comes around though, and of course there will be one, they'll have used up all their defenses and they'll get crippled. I really think that one of three things will happen to Bush:
a) He'll lose by a huge margin in 2004
b) He'll squeak by in 2004, only to be impeached in his second term
c) He'll squeak by in 2004, but he'll leave office in 2008 with an approval rating between 20-30% and forever be remembered as a failed president. The Dems will sweep the 06 and 08 elections, conservatives that licked his ass his first term will be discredited and a solid democratic majority will be built for the years to come

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. I agree with you

I have had the feeling that this was Watergate when teh Op Ed
piece apeared in the NYT.

This is huge and it could be actually, bigger than Watergate.
That was a mere break in, this involves High Treason, and
the national security of the US. By the way folks... Bush just
gave the Democrats the National Security Issue on a silver platter.

We cannot trust Republicans with the National Security of the
United States as they will put party before country.

[OrdinaryTa]

9. Watergate Was a Lot More Than a Break-In

The fact that stubborn Nixon resigned rather than fight impeachment suggests that there was a lot more that would have come out. If Watergate had been only a break-in that the President didn't know about, he would have hung on.

The question is: What were the CIA operatives looking for in the files of the Democratic National Committee? They ran that huge risk to find out how much the Democrats knew about some never-disclosed issue.

[Enraged American]

2. Don't count on it

Fox News, the most watched cable news channel, is not reporting it. The porn-addicted beer-guzzling masses refuse to hear about it.

This is worse than Watergate.

[catzies]

5. You're right about the In"Fox"icated porn guzzling masses

But IMO the whitewashing and obfuscation of the 9/11 Commission report was worse than Watergate and this is second only to that. But then again, one could make a case for all of it really being part of the same thing.

[nostamj]

19. more people watch the national news

and they ALL reported it.

Faux lends credence by their refusal (inability) to refute it.

[XanaDUer]

3. I think you're correct.

Gives me a warm feeling all over.

[Cappurr]

4. I agree too...

But you'll never get Bush on this one. You may get Rove, but not Bush. Not unless someone talks and that is real damn unlikely in that White House. And remember, we don't have tapes anymore.

[wryter2000]

8. I think you're right

But with the proper investigation, we might get Rove. Bush needs Rove. Plus, this blows their claims to be fighting terra out of the water. For pity's sake, Plame was trying to stop the proliferation of WMD's!

[gristy]

12. That's the big difference

And remember, we don't have tapes anymore.

No tapes, no evidence. If no one talks, there's no story. One of the journalists has to come forward with the info. Isn't that the only way this is going anywhere?

[Padraig18]

6. *MY* states lame-duck Repuke senator has already called for one

Sen. Peter Fitzgerald (R-IL) said today on WLS-AM radio that "a special prosecutor is warranted; these are extremely serious allegations.", or words to that effect.

He has more money than God already, so he can't be bribed by the BFEE, and he's not running for re-election, so his nasty little 'independent' streak has just kicked in. Watch out, *, 'cause Sen. Fitzgerald just BAILED on you and the Mayberry Machiavelli! :P

[RobertFrancisK]

7. Glad to hear that

Good news, keep up the good fight Fitz.

[Padraig18]

17. He's actually been a halfway decent senator, in fairness to him

He has annoyed the f*ck out of the Republican leadership and the WH by refusing to blindly goosestep to the 'tune of the day', and the rumors were that the WH was going to target him in the Republican primary with a more 'compliant' candidate.

[MuseRider]

10. Now that is one

of the best things I have heard all day. There really are some honest Republicans out there but these days we don't see em much.

[DrWeird]

11. What I want to now

is that now that the BFEE pissed off the CIA, will there be lots of new embarrassing links. Just think of all the dirt the CIA has on them.

[RC]

14. You can expect lots of

accidents, suicides, not making the turn at high speed starting in the near future.

[kentuck]

13. We shouldn't minimize it by comparing it to Watergate....

It might be worse???

[0rganism]

15. My hope is that it kicks in BEFORE the November elections

Jeepers. The thought that the ratfucker could be legitimately elected gives me hives.

[jiacinto]

16. Or he might in 2004 in a landslide

Then face watergate the way Nixon did.

[Snellius]

18. Not with Republican control of Congress

All the other presidential scandals were only possible because the opposing party controlled the investigative powers of Congress. Right now Democrats can't even call witnesses. But sometimes, as with Clinton, a Congressional inquiry can help prove how baseless some scandals are. People will believe it until shown otherwise.

[Padraig18]

30. Read post #6

The 'unity' is crumbling.

[mandyky]

20. I think it is already here

All we need is an independent counsel and a grand jury called in.

[Nottingham]

21. I hope so!

:bounce:

[Seneca]

22. I am not so sure

Enron, Uranium/Niger, and many other Bushcrimes did not result in Watergate, as predicted endlessly here. Only Watergate resulted in Watergate.

If the threads predicting Bush's demise or "a new Watergate" all came true, he would have been out of office when the China/Spy plane incident occurred over 2 years ago.

I will believe it when I see it.

[Caution]

24. Watergate took years to develop

i still think that enron is going to come back and bite a lot of people in power right now (including some dems). The uranimum/niger thing is the current story, aspects of the same thing here.

[Seneca]

27. so many factots differ

Back then, there was no 24/7 cable news/celebrity obsession saturation coverage, a less compliant media, a longer attention span with the public, timing, luck, and persistence with the investigative journalism... Sorry, friend, I wish I were wrong about this, but Watergate took 2 years to come to a full head, and this shows no signs of an encore.

Fact is, Watergate/Bush threads are common currency around here, and always show up like clockwork whenever some new story arises. :-)

Hope springs eternal in this forum. :hi:

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

23. Mike Ruppert's been predicting Watergate II since the Iraq war started

when it becamse obvious that Bush was pushing phony stories and scaring people about nonexistant WMD intelligence, even the Washington Times ran an article titled "Will Bush be impeached?"

The war propaganda worked well, but now that Bush has royally screwed up in Iraq, bankrupted us, and weakened us significantly, he just has to keep going until the party's over.

I bet Bush won't go easily.

[jenk]

25. not if FOX has anything to do with it...

they're off the story already, pulled it off the front page.

[Darranar]

26. Well...

We've had FloridaGate, LIHOPGate, WMDGate, NigerGate, and Saddam/Al-QaedaGate. None of them have brought the Shrub down. I'm not sure that RoveGate will.

[number6]

28. a) b) c)

a. He'll lose by a small margin in 04, even though voting
machines rigged.

b. voting machines rigged, he squeaks by...only to be impeached
in his second term.

c. He'll squeak by in 2004, but he'll leave office in 2008 in hand
cuffs (go to jail) with an approval rating between .004 % and .005%.

[Lindsay]

29. This isn't just RoveGate.

This is outing-a-CIA-operative-gate. Lots bigger.

And it's an extension of Uranium/NigerGate. Wilson's op ed in the NYT saying the story was a phony is what got BushCo ticked at him in the first place.

I still think BushCo picked the wrong bunch to mess with in the CIA. Tenent wasn't happy at having to take the fall for the 16 words...imagine how he feels about having about the WH leaking the name of an operative for cheap thrills.

This story isn't gonna go away...because the CIA won't let it.

I hope.

[0007]

31. junior is on his way out!

and soon enough ain't fast enough.