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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 01:23 PM
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"Election Fraud Continues in the US"
In the fall of 2001, after an eight-month review of 175,000 Florida ballots never counted in the 2000 election, an analysis by the National Opinion Research Center confirmed that Al Gore actually won Florida and should have been President. However, coverage of this report was only a small blip in the corporate media as a much bigger story dominated the news after September 11, 2001.

New research compiled by Dr. Dennis Loo with the University of Cal Poly Pomona now shows that extensive manipulation of non-paper-trail voting machines occurred in several states during the 2004 election.

The facts are as follows:

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0813-29.htm
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 01:29 PM
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1. DeFacto President
Bush is the defacto President
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 01:30 PM
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2. Or king.. or Chimperor... or tin pot banana republic dictator
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 01:49 PM
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5. loved your pictures
Looks like you had a great time.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 01:53 PM
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7. We did and can't wait to go back to Canada next year, but through Nova
Scotia. (And I WILL get that whale watch on the bay of Fundy, darn it! *lol*)
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 01:58 PM
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8. It's great to spend time with nature
All this grab, everything for me, you go to the beach and you see how false this is, the world belongs to all its inhabitants, even the lowest
organism has a niche where it belongs
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 02:00 PM
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9. A major reason why I live in a rural area :^)
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 02:14 PM
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10. rural + urban = truth = power
My sister thinks this is why election fraud will come out, she says that
thanks to the internet, people are sharing information, people from rural areas are talking with urban people. I don't put down red states,
the South, etc. We are all Americans and everyone has made sacrifices
since 9-11. I am sure that those who are trying to keep the Baltimore
elections results for 2004 a dirty little secret would be dismayed
to know it is being splashed all over the country and all over the globe. We have not forgotten and we are not resigned to losing our right to elect our leaders. Unlike the right wing talking heads who have no data to back them up, we always post links to our sites to back up what we say.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 02:23 PM
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11. Yes, the internet is goingn to be our saving grace, if the neocons
don't hamstring us.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 02:27 PM
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12. we outnumber them!
the problem is that they control the media and have been shouting
at everyone, it's like the Great Oz, the majority of the people in this
country do not believe in torture, do not believe in the Iraq war and
do not want to invade Iran. As the media is forced into printing real
news, the country will change for the better. I like Cindy and her
challenge of why are we still in Iraq.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 02:30 PM
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13. Populism is making a come back. This is not the first time we
have been in such a situation. The neocons have succeeded in recreating the Gilded Age. Fine, we're gonna hit back with a few New Deals and some major election reform.

http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/electionreform.htm
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 02:40 PM
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14. was surfing the net yesterday and came upon a story
Edited on Sat Aug-13-05 03:01 PM by MissWaverly
It said that in the 1930's a grand jury was asked to indict a NY public official on corruption charges...
In 1935, a grand jury seeking to investigate the prevalence of racketeering, gangsterism and "the suspicious inability of the police and public prosecutors to cope with it."...The grand jury subsequently barred regular assistant district attorneys from appearing before it during the investigation. The "runaway" grand jury then proceeded to conduct its own investigation without the presence of a supervising prosecutor.

http://www.nysdaa.org/detail.cfm?page=45

Here is a quote from Teddy Roosevelt on corruption in the Senate.

When they call the roll in the Senate, the senators do not know whether to answer 'present' or 'guilty.'
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 02:43 PM
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15. Beautiful quote! *g*
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 01:46 PM
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3. freedom is on the march
You want to see free and transparent elections, go here. They will tell
you all about the 2002 elections results, the 2004 primary, there is
nothing about the 2004 elections results in Baltimore City and there
will never be anything posted, and if you pay for an election report
like I did, it will not show how many signed the pollbook in Baltimore
City. All I know is that when I tried to vote, the machine defaulted
to George Bush 5 times here in Baltimore City.

We will have an election in the land of the free.
What a surprise, all the votes will be for ME.

http://www.baltimorecity.gov/government/elections/index.html
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 01:48 PM
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4. recommended!!!
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Clintmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 01:50 PM
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6. Florida elected Al Gore in 2001
I knew it all along.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 02:54 PM
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16. I knew Florida elected Al Gore
Unfortunately, not many people know it. The propaganda machine has
absolutely convinced the Bushites that recounts show Bush won Florida,
that the Democrats started the litigation process, and that the Supreme
Court had to step in through Bush v. Gore to prevent the Florida Supreme
Court from illegally changing the election rules after the fact of the
vote. None of that is true.


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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 03:42 PM
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17. We can never again tolerate a violation of the principle of consent
We Do Not Concede - In a true America, leaders serve only with the consent of the governed, and that consent must be obtained by lawful elections that accurately measure the will of the voters. We shall not tolerate any violation of this fundamental principle, the SOLE moral tenet on which our nation was founded and has since relied...

Do your representatives in Congress understand the following five points?

1) On January 6th, 2009, each member of Congress has a duty to independently judge the validity of electoral votes and the appointment of electors.

2) There are specific circumstances – circumstances that occurred in the Elections of 2000 and 2004 – that necessitate objection.

For example, the systematic under-allocation of resources alone, which led to the lengthy and well documented wait times in African American neighborhoods, is sufficient to raise an objection.

3) It was a mistake to count the electors appointed pursuant to the incomplete and unlawful elections in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004.

4) Members of Congress have the power to set the basic standards -- the "frame" – for what constitutes a free and fair election by simply proclaiming their intent to carry out their duty to judge the appointment of electors on January 6, 2009 and communicating the nature of that judgment and the circumstances that would necessitate objection.

5) There is enormous value in declaring their intent regarding presidential electors NOW.


When Congress convenes on January 6th to count presidential elector, each and every member of the House and Senate are constitutionally charged with serving as our last line of defense against an invalid result. That line of defense must be made impenetrable before the next presidential election.

It took weeks of lobbying to get one brave Senator to see the light and stand up for us on January 6th, 2005. We have three years to reach the rest of them. The time to start working on your representatives is NOW. See Making the Case to Object to Tainted Electors on January 6th.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 07:14 PM
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18. Looks like there's a lot of work to do
The closing paragraph isn't too encouraging...

There is little doubt key Democrats know that votes in 2004 and earlier elections were stolen. The fact that few in Congress are complaining about fraud is an indication of the totality to which both parties accept the status quo of a money based elections system. Neither party wants to further undermine public confidence in the American "democratic" process (over 80 millions eligible voters refused to vote in 2004). Instead we will likely see the quiet passing of legislation that will correct the most blatant problems. Future elections in the US will continue as an equal opportunity for both parties to maintain a national democratic charade in which money counts more than truth.


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