CONFIRMED: There IS more to Gen. Byrnes firing and reporters are working

[blm]

to uncover the real story.

I just got off the phone with someone who confirmed that several reporters KNOW the official story for the firing is untrue.

I can only share this bit of an email from a reporter who is commenting on the Gen. Kennedy piece re Gen. Byrnes:

"..... we know there's more to the story than reporters
have been able to get so far. This (Kennedy's piece) paints a different sort of picture of
him than just the official complaint..."


We MUST help them - time is of the essence.

Keep an eye out for ANYTHING we can send to the reporters working on this story.

BTW...consider yourselves thanked for alerting them to the story yesterday.

[dogday]

1. They let him go for 8 months

they knew he was separated and dating another woman. He was ordered not to in January and he continued and they said nothing for 8 months. Something went down.... A 4star General- something went down.

[pdurod1]

5. four star general?

only a handfull of these in the Army inventory at any given time... Somethings going down or went down.

[seemslikeadream]

6. He's not the only one

http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2005/nr20050812-4408.html


"Admiral Giambastiani Sworn in as Vice Chairman of the JCS
U.S. Department of Defense
Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense (Public Affairs)
News Release No. 833-05 IMMEDIATE RELEASE August 12, 2005

Today, Adm. Edmund P. Giambastiani Jr., has assumed the duties as vice chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Gen. Peter Pace will assume the duties as chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff on Sept. 30, 2005.

Gen. Richard B. Myers will retire from active duty on Oct. 1, 2005.

During the time between when he steps down as vice chairman and when he will be sworn in as chairman, Pace plans to meet with combatant commanders, Joint Staff leadership, and members of the interagency in preparation for assuming his new responsibilities.

Biographies are available on www.jcs.mil .

http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2005/nr20050812-4407.html

Air Force Chief of Staff to Retire
U.S. Department of Defense
Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense (Public Affairs)
News Release No. 832-05 IMMEDIATE RELEASE August 12, 2005


Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. John P. Jumper will retire after 39 years of service at a ceremony at Andrews AFB Md. Sept. 2. His effective date of retirement will be Nov. 1, 2005.

Acting Secretary of the Air Force Pete Geren will host the ceremony at which Jumper will be retired and Gen. T. Michael Moseley, currently serving as Air Force vice chief of staff, will be sworn in as the eighteenth Air Force chief of staff.

The ceremony will air live on the Pentagon Channel and through streaming video on Air Force Link www.af.mil .

More information on the event and information for media wishing to attend will be released in late August. Air Force public affairs contacts are: Maj. Glen Roberts, [phone] or Capt.Aaron Burgstein, [phone].

[LibertyorDeath]

33. I have a queasy feeling in the pit of my stomach after reading that.

"Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. John P. Jumper will retire"

When Iran is attacked it will be by the American Air force

in an overwhelming blitz.

It will not succeed.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

101. Not unusual for people to retire after 39 yrs service, or a full stint as

Chairman of Joint Chiefs.

What's unusual is the 4 star, separated no less, getting witch hunted on an adultery charge.

[FreedomAngel82]

51. They're trying to get rid of them all!

It's for their Iran plans and everything! This is big.

[Tigress DEM]

109. Could be a 4 Star sees the way the war and opinion are turning...

.... and isn't willing to be part of it anymore. 39 years is a long time and guys can retire as soon as 20 years in. Even gung ho military guys might not be too kean about what is up ahead.

I still think Haliburton is bringing Iran up to speed with Nuclear weapons to either attack Iraq and blow it up for us... well, we're out now, no more country - don'tcha know? Or have them attack the US so everyone thinks we have to go to war to stop them when all we have to do is FIRE Haliburton NOW and put them on trial for treason.

[malmapus]

37. Only 12 I believe

Any others out there feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

[flyarm]

57. 11 four star generals!!..n/t

[jim3775]

2. Can you give me some background on this?

I'm not up on this story.

[moodforaday]

8. Background

Adultery Inquiry Costs General His Command - New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/11/politics/11general.html

CNN.com - Four-star general sacked - Aug 10, 2005
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/09/general.relieved.ap/

WaPo commentary:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/10/AR2005081001814.html

DU threads:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4320805

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4307795&mesg_id=4307795

[jim3775]

68. Thanks. n/t

[Name removed]

79. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Imagevision]

156. CHENEY PLAN CALLS FOR U.S. TO NUKE IRAN

A number of political observers and activists today sounded “a red alert” after allegations surfaced this week that Vice President Dick Cheney has ordered Strategic Command (STRATCOM) to make contingency plans for a nuclear strike against Iran in the aftermath of another “9-11 type attack” on the United States.

“Vice President Dick Cheney, with the full collusion of the circles of British Prime Minister Tony Blair unleashed the recently exposed plans to stage a preemptive tactical nuclear strike against Iran.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/16/hersh.iran/

The General disagreed...!

[jsamuel]

162. awesome find, that confirms the American Conservatives story via CNN/Hersh

[BattyDem]

180. Since when does the VICE PRESIDENT ...

have the authority to order a nuclear strike? :wtf:

[merh]

3. Just hope they don't let us down -

I hate trusting the corporate media to do anything anymore. There are so few that are true, concerned citizens and not just bushbotpuppets!

I hope that your contacts fall into the first category and not the second.

[blm]

7. First category....

just keep in mind the small group of honest journalists who reported that there were alot of CIA agents who were claiming that the White House cooked the books on Iraq intel.

And the small group who reported on the DSM.

That's all I can say.

[merh]

12. That's good enough for me!

:hug: :thumbsup: I linked your thread in understandinglife's thread on this subject. You may want to post your hopeful comments on that thread.

:hi:

[Imagevision]

165. Now you know why Bush appoints Porter Goss to fire CIA agents

not faithful to Bush cartel.

[fooj]

4. Just let me know what I can do to help. I'm in!

RECOMMENDED!

Peace.

[jarnocan]

14. so much sh**

is happening. I hope folks will get a clue quickly! Desperate -put upon men/people are going to react, unless they are stopped. They care only about their agenda, at any cost to US. sorry but I am in panic mold. They want to win at any cost to US! I am in-what to do?

They want to invade Iran, if there is another terrorist attack.
They want to further their PNAC agenda! go figure-quickly.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8926416 ok so I am freaked.

[fooj]

19. It's ok to be frightened. We all are. Take a breath.

We are in this together. There are many of us fighting like hell to stop all of this madness. Just try and maintain your focus and remember...you are not alone!:grouphug:

Peace.

[blm]

26. Best thing is to alert OTHER reporters covering LOCALLY in the drill areas

That is the best way to get them and their papers involved.

[FreedomAngel82]

53. I think all these things that are going on

and it's going on so fast is because they're probably behind the agenda and trying to speed it up. I hope it doesn't happen.

[Used and Abused]

9. Has anyone contacted General Byrnes yet?

Maybe we can hear the truth straight from the horses mouth.

[moodforaday]

13. Will he talk?

If he talks, we'll know what it's about. What if he doesn't talk? Then either it really is a personal matter on some level, nothing we should be worrying about, or it is something he doesn't consider important enough to risk his life over (his career is gone already). In that latter case, should be be worried?

I mean: if he knows something of major national security implications is coming, and he's been working to counteract it - otherwise he wouldn't have gotten fired - why wouldn't he go to the press with it? Wouldn't everyone?

[0007]

54. Probably classified Security and he's probably worried that

they'll screw him out of his pension.

[moodforaday]

96. If he's worried about his pension

then perhaps it's not something *we* should be worried about. I mean, let's say Gen. Byrnes knows about a staged nuke attack and was trying to prevent it. If this was the case, would he not go public for fear of losing his *pension*?

[blm]

15. I don't have that answer, yet. I assume that if Gen. Kennedy took it upon

herself to come forward with her piece, then I expect more like her will come forward with their thoughts and keep this story out there.

Seems to me he'll have to come forward fast, given the timeframe on the "drills" but you never know WHAT BushInc will use to keep the man from talking publicly.

[TheDebbieDee]

28. The people responsible for firing this guy.....

will never allow him to be put in the position of being able to speak freely.

If the info about Gen. Byrnes staging a coup is true and the neocons were able to stop him by "firing" him, then he is probably being "detained" somewhere (until *co can make their case for treason).

Or, Gen. Byrnes is about to become the victim of an unfortunate accident.

[Eloriel]

80. detained somewhere -- there WAS the mention in one article

about the possibility of "criminal charges" and that there'd been no decision made yet on whether criminal charges would be filed. :wtf: For adultery??

[Alizaryn]

86. Yep, my fear exactly.

[Booster]

144. Ariana is on this....

Check her articles and there's one by Margaret Carlson also. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

[still_one]

168. so what is keep Byrnes quite now?

[TheDebbieDee]

173. "What's keeping Gen. Byrnes quiet now?"

I suspect that he, and other high-ranking officers of note, are being guarded by mercenaries.

Also, there may not be as many reporters asking questions about this General as we would all like.

[Imagevision]

83. Don't be surprised to hear of Byrnes suicide! [Bush Cartel]

[halobeam]

10. kick

:kick:

[renate]

11. the real story must be pretty darn bad

worse than, say, torture

[lostnfound]

22. Maybe totally the opposite: integrity?

the Arianna Huffington website had an editorial defending the general from someone who knew him.

All sorts of possibilities -- perhaps there's plans he disagrees with, like attacking Iran, or using nukes, or martial law in the US, or he knows that Iraq is about to explode and they aren't being listened to. Who knows?

[Iris]

29. I heard someone on AAR suggest he was AGAINST the torture.

And this is his payback.

[Ouabache]

91. Why did Sen. Voinovich CRY during the Bolton hearings?

are they onto the same thing?

[Imagevision]

89. Gen'l Byrnes real story is he has a relationship with woman after he files

for divorce? 4-star General is demoted for this? nah! don't even go there. We have lunatics like Rove outing CIA agents - no there's more to this story that will come out if this particular general i found hanging in a cell or motel room.

[evermind]

16. Thanks - interesting! Anyone have a link to the "Kennedy piece"?

The OP makes reference to a "Gen. Kennedy piece re Gen. Byrnes" - but I can't even find the name "Kennedy" in any of the links posted in the "Background" post ( #8 )

[Pirate Smile]

25. I'm assuming it is this post on The Huffington Post:

Something is Amiss

Generally speaking, one of the most private groups of people in public service are general officers in the US Army. This is not a preference that comes with the stars, rather it is developed over decades of service to America in the Army. As officers become more senior, their privacy becomes more treasured and more fragile. So with this in mind, I would guess that this must be a very painful time for General Kevin Byrnes.

I do not know anything about the circumstances of the recent announcement about his "personal conduct". A banner on one of the cable TV news stations is my only "source" that something is amiss. But I do know Kevin Byrnes as a fellow officer. We first crossed paths at the Army War College in Carlisle Barracks, Pennsylvania. In the fall of 1990, he had been chosen to remain at the War College for a second year in order to work in an exclusive think tank there. Kevin was smart, fun to have in a group, unassuming, courteous and had the distinction of being the best softball player in the entire student body. He was the most sought after player in that all-important softball competition that launches the sports season at the beginning of each academic year at Carlisle.

Over the following decade, I talked to Kevin at the conferences and meetings where Army generals gather to chart the future course of the Army. Kevin was always the same -- made contributions to the dicussion that reflected real thought and sensitivity to nuance. He was a leader among his peers.

In the early summer of 2000 when I experienced intense public reaction to an incident reflecting on another officer's inappropriate conduct toward me, it was then Lieutenant General Kevin Byrnes who spoke at an event honoring my career at the Women in Military Service to America Memorial. At that event, he was pitch perfect for the gathering of civilian and military women and men who represented a dozen advocacy groups as well as a cross-section of active duty officers. His leadership translated beyond the warrior culture to the complex world of Washington DC. Later, the lighter side of Kevin Byrnes showed itself at my home in Alexandria where twenty generals and their wives and civilians appointed to serve with the Army came to celebrate the 81st birthday of Walter Kaye, a Civilian Aide to the Secretary of the Army. Kevin knew all the words to the songs we sang as a pianist played the popular music of the 1960's, 70's and 80's.

The evening of laughter and singing stands in stark contrast to the mood of this season of General Brynes' life but what I remember beyond any banner on cable TV is Kevin's leadership, his kind heart and his decades of service to America.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/lt-gen-claudia-kennedy/something-is-amiss_5555.html

[evermind]

30. THanks for that. (nt)

[blm]

31. Thanks...I always assume people have already read the threads here.

I generally post in a rush.

[moodforaday]

17. The scariest part of it

Is that Byrnes was at Fort Monroe, which is where "Sudden Response," the nuclear exercises, will be happening this month:

http://www.northcom.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=news.showstory&storyid=C9BFBBAC-F3CA-BD2E-008C7B34AFE33114

Note the press release says these drills have been moved to Fort Monroe this year - they're normally done elsewhere:

FORT MONROE, Va. -- Here’s the scenario…A seafaring vessel transporting a 10-kiloton nuclear warhead makes its way into a port off the coast of Charleston, S.C. Terrorists aboard the ship attempt to smuggle the warhead off the ship to detonate it. Is this really a possibility?

Joint Task Force Civil Support (JTF-CS) here is planning its next exercise on the premise that this crisis is indeed plausible.

Sudden Response 05 will take place this August on Fort Monroe and will be carried out as an internal command post exercise. The exercise is intended to train the JTF-CS staff to plan and execute Consequence Management operations in support of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IV’s response to a nuclear detonation.

Some of this year’s objectives for SR05 are to refine nuclear incident Concept of Operations, produce a CM Operation Order, refine command post set-up procedures and maintain situational awareness of multiple CM incidents.

The Sudden Response exercise has been held at Quantico, Va., in the past, but has been moved to Fort Monroe to maximize command post training time. The senior leadership felt that it was more important to accomplish training instead of losing up to a day and a half in travel time, said Paul Deflueri, J7 Lead Exercise Planner. “This will allow us to still meet our training objectives,” he said.

Some external participants may work with JTF-CS during the exercise.

(snip)

[lostnfound]

52. Oh, damn. That's terrible.

I was just going to look to see where he was based, what his command scope was.

[Nothing Without Hope]

66. OH. MY. GOD. That's GOT to be it - they are arranging for their coverup

BEFORE they stage their nuclear 9/11 to justify nuclear attack of Iran.

According to DUer Flyarm, General ONeill fired Byrnes - and he has already covered up at least two murders under his watch. He is obviously one of the black-hearted supporters of ANYTHING GOES FOR WHAT WE WANT. There must have been a number of military people involved in the staged attacks on 9/11, and the Air Force must have been a major part of it.

They don't want any honest whistleblowers to stop their planned crime, so they're purging them to get them out of the way.

WE MUST BE VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE "EXCERCISE" SCHEDULED AUGUST 17. WE MUST GET THE WORD OUT, THE WARNING - THIS COULD BE THE NEXT DOMESTIC ATTACK LIKE 9/11, ONLY EVEN WORSE. IF THEY WANT TO USE NUCEAR BOMBS IN IRAN -AND THEY DO - IT WOULD BE A NUCLEAR ATTACK.

This would fit all the hints of what is to come, all the pieces they have set into place:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4252778
Thread title: Three extremely important threads on Iran nukes & the Bush agenda

And of course, they would want to do it while Congress is in recess - that makes declaring martial law and attacking Iran (as per plans already made by Cheney) every so much easier. A martial coup to follow up on the electoral coup.

[Imagevision]

164. Bush on vacation again - just like when 9-11 ocurred

guess we'll find out before the year is over - maybe on August 17th??!!

[HeeBGBz]

69. Charleston is such a beautiful city

I have such an uneasy feeling in my gut.

[SittingBull]

93. Charleston

I doubt that a nuclear attack will take on Charleston, although I'll take this exercise serious.

It's a red state coreland, it is to small for attack, and furthermore too much people know about this exercise yet.

My suspision goes to Denver, like in Tom Clancys "Sum of all fears"
and since I heard about the CIA and EPA are moving to Denver, in anticipation of an attack on DC. ( source Micheal. B. Haupt, http://www.ThreeWorldWars.com )
So the unbeloved agency will be hit hard.
And, furthermore, Denver was first time blue in last 40 years.

But don't be scary. Maybe it's all false alarm...

[leftchick]

167. I don't think it will be Charleston either

The Citadel is there. But then I didn't think they would hit the pentagon either. :scared:

[SittingBull]

172. They hit the pentagon

on the renewed and totally steel armed side.

Just coincidence...

[Gronk Groks]

82. A very scary thought...

...in this exercise there will be two sides of the operation. A "Terrorist Side(?)" and a "Suden Response" side.

Are we paying attantion to the wrong side of the exercise???

Do terrorists have 10 kiloton nuclear weapons???

The U.S. military does....

[Ouabache]

92. Some external participants may work with JTF-CS during the exercise.

what do you suppose THAT means?
Maybe Byrnes objected the the 'external participants'?

[moodforaday]

117. That too

is an "interesting" part.

I wonder, also, why the military announces such drills. Is it standard practice? Do they always supply such detail? Because it could also be a fall-back story - "the terrorists learned about the drill on our website and picked a coinciding date for their move".

[lovuian]

110. Bush putting HIS Men in these strategic positions for

to cover any tracks of sabotage and incompetence. His men can just order the military to be silent and they are silent the cover up is complete!!!

[Rosco T.]

134. Anyone remember the TV Movie "Special Bulletin"??? n/m

[robertpaulsen]

139. No. I'll check it out.

I saw The Day After, but not this. Looks good. Hope I find a rental.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086350/

[stevietheman]

166. I remember it.... nuke explodes just off Charleston in...

some kind of terrorist incident. Rather chilling tv movie from the 1980's, I believe. It was designed to look like a live news broadcast.

[Tuesday_Morning]

135. What are the best links that talk about...

the exercises that were taking place at the same time as the attacks on 9/11 and 7/7?

Maybe some journalists need to get up to speed on that.

[moodforaday]

151. No good links

that connect the Fort Monroe drill to the drills on 9-11 and 7-7. You can check out prisonplanet.com, but this and other sites that talk about it are your typical conspiracy sites (prisonplanet is Alex Jones). Not really corroborated news, just speculation.

But there are hints upon hints. Do check out posts 4 and 23 in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1700341

[understandinglife]

18. This is why I began posting the types of messages contained ...

.... here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4337284 (and others)

And, sending notices to all kinds of folk.

Thank you very much for this update. And, fooj, thanks for the heads-up on blm's post.

Would be neat if Cindy Sheehan thought it worthwhile to invite the General to come visit with her and discuss Iraq and Iran!

Peace.

[fooj]

20. UL- Guy James is broadcasting live in a few minutes from Crawford.

Here's the # 888-602-7500! Lets all try and call in and get this out on the waves...

Peace.

[understandinglife]

21. I'm dialing now ....

[fooj]

23. Great. Me, too! One of us should get through!

Peace.

[blm]

35. I know....glad to have you on the same page.

I consider you an invaluable ally for truth.

[jsamuel]

24. yep

[proud patriot]

27. This is scary shit

I'm glad to hear people are digging for more info .

[blm]

32. I posted because I know some still think tinfoil when stories like this

first pop up.

[iconoclastic cat]

34. Very interesting. And very creepy.

[hiley]

36. blm

thank you

[TroubleMan]

38. They don't take Generals down for "adultery"

If that was the case, a good half of the generals would be kicked out.

Hell, this guy was separated from his wife - but that makes no difference in the UCMJ. I've seen that overlooked in the military before, but it's selectively enforced.

[cthrumatrix]

39. the nuke terror drill to be run on August 17 was in his "backyard"...HINT

there must be much more to this drill he did not agree with

[TroubleMan]

40. Yep.....I heard about that and it sounds like the real reason

There are so many things in the UCMJ they can bust you for. It's all about selective enforcement. In fact they've got what's called the "general article"

Here's what good ol' Article 134 says:

Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.

In other words, they can bust you for whatever they want, whenever they want. You have very little rights in the military.

[cthrumatrix]

41. the nuke terror drill is ALL over the net... maybe to many eyes

are hip to their dark plans IF something huge were to happen the same time.

[AnnInLa]

44. I'm definitely not up on Nuke Terror Drills,

You said, something could happen.....WHAT could happen? Could you give some examples?

[moodforaday]

45. See my post #17

Synthetic terror. Wouldn't be the first time.

[BamaBecky]

48. a good summary located here

click right here for the summary

[Nothing Without Hope]

67. I don't have links handy, but there is good documentation that there was

a hijacking drill on 9/11 and a terror bombing drill in London on the same day that it actually happened, and in the same places.

Both amazing coincidences, right?

Or enough to make you very, very worrried when you hear about a NUCLEAR terror drill.

We've been expecting them to stage an attack to "justify" invasion of Iran. If it's nuclear, they can "justify" nuclear bombing of Iran.

All the hints, all the moves, all the pieces point to something like this. And they are purging people who are too honest to let it happen without blowing the whistle. THAT's what think is behind Byrne's expulsion. It's to get him out of the loop so he can't warn of what they are planning.

[Imagevision]

84. Nuke drills to be held in the US. in August - thats what I read

Bush cartel especially Cheney telling the pentagon to prepare a Nuclear strike scenario against Iran.

[Guaranteed]

46. That's absolutely right. Extremely perceptive.

There's definitely something else going on.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

58. These rules are only used when it's convenient to witch hunt someone you

want to get rid of or dislike for other reasons, especially someone this high up. The only other exception is if someone is flaunting their rule violation in a severe and public way.

[Nothing Without Hope]

64. And in fact, he was already separated from his wife and it was a single

relationship. They "warned" him to sever the relationship (what business is it of theirs?) - and then they hit him because he dared to call the person.

This is so obviously a pretext. I was totally disgusted with the Wash Post writeup on this, which blathered about high moral standards and "making an example." That is such obvious BULL.

[TheCentepedeShoes]

121. "Dared to call the person" ??

Must have had his phone bugged, ya think? Also, didn't they bust him just before his divorce became final? After that it would be a non-issue. Wonder if he had gotten some intentional "bad intell" on the exact date of the final decree. Anyway you slice it, this thing stinks.

[Eloriel]

81. The ONLY crime or fault or failing in this admin is disloyalty

or criticism. Everything else is not only forgiven, it simply never happened.

Therefore, nothing as small and inconsequential as adultery would warrant this, period, end of discussion, tho they WOULD use this as the pretext. Not even murder would disqualify one for staying on in this administration just as long as you were loyal and unquestioning.

[cmd]

94. Absolutely correct

This general was not going to follow the CIC*. He will have something to say, if he lives.

[noamnety]

42. The commander of NATO didn't have to resign over his affair

Air Force Gen. Joseph W. Ralston was nominated in 1995 for chairmanship of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the nomination was nearly derailed because of an affair he'd had.

After that, he served as Supreme Allied Commander, Europe from 2000 to 2003, taking over from U.S. Army general Wesley Clark. He was the highest-ranking officer in NATO.

Sources:
http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=6840
http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0.asp?DOCID=1G1:19482779&refid=ip_almanac_hf

[hiley]

43. fooj you rock!

thank you for speaking out fooj..
I hope UL gets through too.
Guy James Show!

[CabalPowered]

47. A tidbit I picked up on Election Day..

I attended a Small Business Innovation Research (SBIR/STTR)* conference in Boise on Election Day. For the opening keynote, I grabbed a chair in the 2nd row from the back. I did notice before taking my seat that several of the people sitting behind me were in military uniform. I didn’t think much of it as DoD is by far the most active department involved in SBIR. No surprise there. I later determined the civilians sitting with the military were from a major contractor (I can’t remember which one) and the DoD staff was from the Missile Defense Agency. With several minutes before the start of the talk, I just happen to eavesdrop on the conversation behind me. When I sat down, they were discussing something about the keynote speaker. Then there was this:

Civilian to presumably military: “So I guess are resigning tomorrow (the day after the election)?”

Presumably military to Civilian: “ Yeaaa”

Someone to Civilian: “Oh they probably won’t be the only ones.”

Then there was a long pause and someone started discussing the conference. The keynote speech came shortly afterwards.

I was struck how they seem to assume they already knew the outcome of the election. I looked hard, for several weeks after the election and couldn’t find any press releases of high-up resignations. So from, here I see two possibilities..

1. The leaders they were discussing were not of sufficient rank to merit a press release. I don’t remember the rank mentioned when the civilian asked the question.

2. The leaders changed their mind because what they thought was going to happen on Election Day, didn’t happen.

I posted this on Election Day but it got lost in the mayhem. It seemed relevant to me at the time and it seems even more relevant now. Hope this helps.

edit for sp

[blm]

56. Interesting, in that Kerry was dead-set AGAINST Star Wars. He said space

should never be militarized.

Even NASA veterans believe Bush only wants to use NASA for military purposes and not for space exploration and science as it was set up for.

[Celebration]

49. actually pretty good speculation here

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=70&contentid=2567&page=2

Yeah, I know it is Wayne Madsen, and a conspiracy website, but it does sound sort of logical.

Byrnes' relief of command came on the heels of the Pentagon announcing that it might permit Spanish-language entrance examinations.

Byrnes, who was in charge of Army training, would not only face recruits with lower education levels and past criminal records, but a lack of proficiency in English.

Pentagon insiders report that it was Byrnes' policy disagreements with the Pentagon neo-cons over the new recruitment policies and the potential for calling up Army retirees and reinstating military conscription without adequate TRADOC funding that resulted in his firing.

The personal misconduct charges were concocted by the Pentagon to cover up the fact that there are serious disagreements with Bush and Rumsfeld among the flag officer ranks in the military.

[Celebration]

76. Look guys

Sure there is more than meets the eye here, but if we were talking about a coup there would be a different ending for Byrnes. Likewise the nuclear drill......think military policy, demeanor, etc. Byrnes just couldn't play on the Neocon team. And this administration is JUST PLAIN MEAN and VENGEFUL. That is sufficient to explain this. If they were planning to set off a real nuclear bomb in Charleston they aren't any more, LOL. The 'net stopped 'em cold.

[lostnfound]

161. BFEE Recycling, then? Latin Amer. deathsquads turned new US recruits?

Is that the plan? Import soldiers from Central America?

[FreedomAngel82]

50. Knowing these people

there is for sure to be something wrong. I hope the reporters do their jobs.

[dbeach]

55. Generals against Bush..

if the coup story is real..then he knew of the sauron cheny plans to nuke the USA and then blame Iran

BTW sauron lobbied for westingmouse to sell 2 nukes to china

BUSH GOAL = MARTIAL LAW

come-on .. non-CTers were saying last yr that bush will not leave peacefully..on Clark blog

all that money that bush/cheny cabal has and has hidden and it just cannnot satisfy them
goota rob eevery last dime then microchip the work force and kill the ressiters


""if I was dictator.."


know them by their words..

[lostnfound]

59. I used to see military coups as the worst possible defeat of a democracy.

There are worse ways to go.

[dbeach]

60. YA GOT THAT RT

Pray the good Folks left in the Govt and Pentagon have the sense to stop the treason of bush/cheney..

GONNA BE CLOSE!!

[lostnfound]

61. I'm afraid it would only lead to civil war, if they did it

which might be preferable to nuclear winter, where the neocons seem to be heading.

I swear I am hitting rock bottom tonight in hope. Time to pray for a miracle.

Our country seems to be on the fine lines between chaos and order, history closing in.

I've had such a sense of unexplained foreboding beginning last weekend. While there's been bright spots in the news, there's been several items that are just totally creepy.

[dbeach]

65. 50/50 ...luv/hate the busheviks

if Pentagon is same as population then its about the same

Its obvious that the whole system has been poisoined by the
uber elites and most pols are in on it or too scared to speak out..they gots lotsa money if the USA tumbles into caos .
.most of us are not so lucky

BUUT Jefferson said to not speak out against Tyranny is to be a part of it.

good to see many DUers are regonizing the gravity of the current situation..

[JanusAscending]

111. We must be "kindred spirits"

I have been having the same feelings as you. Mine have been so intense, that I really can't explain it. Some thing BIG is about to happen, but my ESP isn't telling me if it's going to be for the good, or the worse, YET!! Let me tell you a little about myself. I am a "born again Christian" who has stopped attending Church, because of the way it has imposed itself on the Govmt. Also I am ashamed to say I used to be an Evangelical Christian! But the hate spewing forth from pulpits has me totally turned off to "organized" religion!! I do however maintain a very close relationship with God, thus my name "discerning christian." I beleive in "gifts of the Spirit", and I believe He gave me the " gift of discernment" (read ACTS in the New Testament) Sometimes I just "know things" !! Some would call it ESP. (NO I'M NOT CRAZY!) My esp has always turned out to be right. In the past 3 yrs. I have lost first, my father, the next year my mother, and my husband of 37 yrs. just 3 yrs. ago this past Aug. 8th. I am 66 yrs old, live alone with my little dog as my constant companion, and am getting used to it finally. I live on my SS widows benefits, plus a 10 hr. a week part time job. Just barely scraping by.(One of those with no health benefits other than Medicare) Politics have always been my passion, (that's another whole long story) But when I moved into my new life alone the first thing I did in my new hometown was join the Dem.Town Comm. and became actively involved in the 2004 election. Now I have DU, and it's become a welcome companion as well. Gee I didn't realize how much I've gone on. I really don't have that many people I can talk to that are like minded. I'm sorry, hope you all don't think this is a :puffpiece: So, just thanks for listening, and I'll let you know when my ESP kicks in with the answers, but YES SOMETHING BIG IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN!!!

[spuddonna]

116. I agree with you...

But, first off, welcome! :)

Secondly, I extend my sincerest condolences about the death of your mother, father, and husband. I can't even begin to appreciate the levels of grief you must have gone (and still must go) through.

Thirdly, I believe in gifts of the spirit. And yet, I am a firmly analytical person who believes there is probably a logical scientific answer for most everything that happens around us. That said, I don't think you're crazy...

I believe that group psychology is extremely important in world events. I think we are reaching a point where people who are in power want to secure their power because they are afraid of being ousted by those who seek truth. What these crazy neocons will do to keep power, I can only guess at... but I am worried that something will happen soon to justify their use of military powers and the Patriot Act X, complete with curfews, draft, and 'loyalty oaths'...

Just wanted you to know you aren't alone!

[JanusAscending]

119. Thank you!

and God Bless us all!:grouphug:

[Just Me]

124. Welcome, discerning_christian.

:hi: I also believe there are those who have an exceptional capacity to discern/intuit although my belief stems from a different interpretation of how that capacity evolves.

You've been through so many losses in such a short time. :hug: I appreciate your strength to move forward and get involved in your "new life".

I look forward to you sharing your special perspective. Don't worry about explaining "where" that perspective comes from,...through you. :7

[JanusAscending]

141. Thanks for the WELCOME!

I love your screen name!! It's a very small world. My very best friend , from my days in the beautiful Berkshires (MA), used to refer to herself as "just me"!! and when we spoke I'd say "HI ME"!! You brought back wonderful memories. We are still in touch and best friends although I now live in CT. I feel like I'm making very many more "best friends" on DU. My description of a best friend, is one who loves and cares about you dispite all your "warts"!!!:pals:

[lostnfound]

148. Hi. (off topic)

Nice to 'meet you'.
Sorry about the devastating time that you have had recently. When I was younger (though still adult) I lost my mother, my uncle, and my grandfather in the span of about 2 months -- seems it was even less. The first was expected but the other two were not.

I have a small boy, which makes my worries for the future all the more focused.

Sometimes I have such fears but they are unfounded. Years ago I had a friend who was 'spot on' with her dreams and premonitions. Scary as heck sometimes when she would show up crying about her father and he'd have an accident that same afternoon. Well life is one big mystery.

[Nothing Without Hope]

70. They are PURGING the "good Folks" in the Govt and the Pentagon.

That has just got to be what this is about with Byrnes' expulsion. They are planning something criminal - I suspect a staged nuclear "terrorist" attack, maybe on August 17 - and they don't want any whistleblowers.

[blm]

100. They PURGED all the CIA agents they suspected of working with Kerry

right after the election.

They are THAT dictatorial and vengeful. They really do NOT believe in democracy.

[Nothing Without Hope]

146. yes, but besides dictatorial and vengeful, they want cover and complicity

for their criminal acts, past, present and future. There's no place for truth-telling or integrity or true patriotism in their greedy, violent schemes.

[Nothing Without Hope]

62. It is vitally important to find out WHY Gen. Byrnes has been purged NOW

When I think about what lies behind the 9/11 coverup, which must have involved many top military people, I wonder again why Colonel Byrnes has been purged on a pretext despite his distinguished record and honesty.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4337284
Thread title: General Kennedy on General Byrnes - "Something is Amiss"

Are they planning ANOTHER staged domestic attack to kick off invasion of Iran? The signs sure point that way. Maybe they are purging people who would blow the whistle.

DUer Flyarm has pointed out that the military officer responsible for what has been done to Gen. Byrnes is that fine, upstanding individual General McNeill, who has covered up the murders of prisoners under his watch. Obviously a true crony of the Bush maniacs.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4337284&mesg_id=4339298
But here's what grabbed my attention. Way down in the piece, we learn that the officer appointed to determined if Byrnes should be court-martialed for a consensual affair is Gen. Dan K. McNeill. The Army has it wrong. If anyone should be court-martialed, it should be Gen. McNeill. Two prisoners were murdered on his watch and he covered it up.

I came to know McNeill when he was just a Lt. Gen. commanding forces in Afghanistan in 2002 and 2003, oversaw Bagram prison and then, the polite word is misled, officials about what happened to two innocent prisoners there. He claimed the two died of natural causes. Both were murdered.

I believe it is the decency, honesty and courage of General Byrnes that made him a target in this situation - they don't want any credible witnesses to a terrible crime that they plan.
Another staged domestic attack to "justify" their desired invasion of Iran? A pre-emptive strike, maybe with nuclear bombs? With this crew of conscienceless criminals, this is what comes to mind as likely. They are arranging their coverup before they do the crime.

[flyarm]

63. i believe if the general was planning a coup to stop*

he will not give it away to anyone, as i believe if that is really what was going on..then its still going on..he would not be stopped if he was really attempting to stop the * cabal...
if any faction of the military is attempting to do a coup against this administration..they are not going to take out a full page ad!
i distinctly remember last aug several articles discussing that the military would stop the * cabal , and i also remember reading distinctly that the cia would as well..

There is clearly much more to this story. My guess is that the * cabal are getting ready to do something criminal and that they are afraid he might blow the whistle on them. Another 9/11?
They said the "drill" was in case martial law was declared or the military was needed for riot control. Byrnes was told that there would be 50,000 troops coming in for training who didn't speak English.

They did a survey at 29 Palms in the mid 90s I think. They asked those Marines if hypothetically a law was passed to turn in all firearms and some Americans refused if they would be able to arrest and possibly fire on fellow Americans. One quarter said yes.

Perhaps the 50,000 troops General Byrnes was told to train in the army ..are going to be deployed after the "drill" since we won't be their fellow countrymen and they won't have qualms about firing on us.

read this:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1995/vo11no20/vo11no20_survey.htm


The New American - Twenty-Nine Palms Survey: What Really Motivated its Author? - October 2, 1995

snip:

In his thesis, Cunningham states that "The legitimacy of operations other than war is rooted in the constitutional powers of the Executive," and that such operations and the placement of "U.S. forces under operational control of United Nations personnel are legitimate." Not so, according to our reading of the Constitution and the thinking of those who wrote it. The military is not the President's to use as he wishes; his designation as "Commander in Chief" is an occasional assignment of responsibility, not a wholesale grant of power.

Betraying a poor understanding of the proper role of the military, Cunningham claims: "But the Framers also granted the Executive the latitude to use the Federal troops under his command as a tool of diplomacy when he deemed it appropriate. This was the case in both Korea and Vietnam." That kind of thinking has gotten this nation into undeclared wars, led to casualties in the hundreds of thousands, and entangled our nation ever more deeply in the United Nations and its subsidiary organizations.

Cunningham's claims that he is a defender of the U.S. Constitution have to be questioned when he writes: "Future U.S. missions may require the inclusion of international soldiers in U.S. units and, in some cases, when national security interests dictate, the President of the United States may appoint a competent United Nations officer to exercise operational control over U.S. contingents."

But what about the fact that most U.S. military personnel apparently don't want to serve in "peacekeeping" missions? "Some may argue that the military need only incorporate the necessary indoctrination and training," Cunningham notes in his thesis. "But doing so would require establishing formal training and indoctrination programs ... thus, in effect, building a completely new program from the ground up. Another possibility may be more realistic. Realizing the conflict and incongruity peacekeeping represents in a combat organizational model, it may be necessary to bifurcate the military. Such a change could promote specialization and provide an opportunity to those who desire peacekeeping duty. Perhaps it is time to designate separate fighting forces and peacekeeping forces."

[Nothing Without Hope]

71. Oh fly, I am so afraid that you are right. And the nuke "terrorist drill"

is in Byrnes' area - this MUST be it. As you say,

There is clearly much more to this story. My guess is that the * cabal are getting ready to do something criminal and that they are afraid he might blow the whistle on them. Another 9/11?
They said the "drill" was in case martial law was declared or the military was needed for riot control. Byrnes was told that there would be 50,000 troops coming in for training who didn't speak English.

They are purging those who might try to stop them or whistleblow on the crime that they have planned. The 50,000 troops who don't speak English would be willing to enact martial law and shoot civilians who try to resist.

If they want to have another staged attack like 9/11 - only nuclear this time - it would be done while Congress is on break. They come back in early September, so the time is right.

This is it - I am TERRIFIED.

[flyarm]

72. ok but i believe ..i could be dead wrong..that the general

is still in charge of a coup if that what this was all about..i don't know i am just guessing like all others but i have been studing this hard...if the general was planning a coup to stop the * cabal..he was not in this alone..he had to be supported by many..they will not stop because of this lilly crap the * cabal has come up with..it is the repsonsibilty of the military to stand for the constitution..to protect the constitution!
i have faith in them..i hope i am right..there had to be many more involved than just general byrnes..if he was the ring leader what makes anyone think by them punishing him that the others involved will still not follow him?? or carry on without him..its the militarys responsibility to protect the constitution..
i could be totally wrong..but i still have faith that some in this military respect the constitution and will fight to protect it!

[Nothing Without Hope]

73. I hope you are right in believing that there are others in the military

that will still defy criminal orders in order to uphold the Constitution as their first priority. It didn't happen in the 9/11 attacks - clearly, the Air Force went along with, even staged what happened.

If the Bush/Cheney cabal succeeds in purging all the honest people from the top of the military, the stage is set not just for another staged domestic attack, possibly with nukes, but also for martial law.

[dbeach]

74. do the flag officers have a choice??

the coup planners knew the consequences from the start and recognize the dangerousness of a coup that fails..At the worst if the coup fails then the court martials will be schocking when the BIG BRASS reveal the depth of the TREASON and subterfuge it thats the rt word

We could say the MM will not inform us of the court martials.. but it will get out if this as well organized a coup as some insiders are capable of doing..they narrowly missed hitler.

last yr talk of general coups and bush indcitments would be debunked to hell..not seeing too many debunkers cuz ya all know the busheviks are blood thirsty criminals hiding behind the laws and flag that they detest..

Face it if bush is as dibolical as I think then we are infor the worts ride of civilization..fasten belts and stay eyes on the prize:

the removal of family bush and their related cabals PERMANENTLY!
NO FEAR!

[JanusAscending]

113. All very interesting!

but just one question? If neocons want to declare "Marshall Law" and disarm every American, why is the Rep. party so "gung ho" with the "right to bear arms"!!???? How would the N.R.A. gun lobby feel about all this? (sorry, 2 questions!):dilemma: IT DOESN'T COMPUTE!

[Name removed]

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[bvar22]

77. Hitler and Stalin also "purged" their military of commanders...

...who were LOYAL to the Country and the People.
Despots demand LOYALTY to the PERSON!

[dbeach]

78. bullies eat loosh

stalin made big mistake by killing his officers but a criminal tyrant like stalin hitler bush bliar cheny and most of the worlds elites are egocentric narcism dressed up as good ole boys who love their nation and the commoners..

[Eloriel]

85. "Leaked" US doc - new terrorist threats London and US

just in time for 9-11

(Sunday Times) US (leaked document) warns of new attacks on London (and US)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1699553
and: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4344878
Document: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,2087-1733874_1,00.html
Story: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-523-1734148-523,00.html

[skids]

87. Speeding up a promotion?

A slightly less sinister angle to pursue -- could they for some reason need to speed up the promotion of whoever will fill his shoes?

[njdemocrat106]

88. This is the scariest thread I've read in a long time

God help us :scared:

[Hissyspit]

90. "Seven Days in May" n/t

[HamdenRice]

95. In Latin American coups the coup leader is usually head of training ...

or of a military academy. That's because they are usually the most popular with younger, more idealistic gung ho officers who have less invested in the civilian establishment.

Just a thought. But Byrne is so high up he is pretty removed from that kind of context.

[Lerkfish]

97. REQUIRED READING: this thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1957520

How to tell if the next attack on US soil is MIHOP

(snip)


How to tell if the next attack on US soil is MIHOP

the ways you'll know Bushco made some city a sacrificial lamb to their hegemony:

A. It will be a relatively smaller city than LA or NYC...probably the size of Indianapolis or Tucson. They'll want to scare us into martial law, not get bogged down in a massive FEMA operation.
B. They will miraculously declare the identities of the perpetrators, not as individuals, but as a COUNTRY they can invade, which will be Iran, most likely. Or, they'll attribute it to Al Queda but then directly link with no evidence Al Queda to Iran. This will happen with 36 hours, probably within 18 hours. That's how you'll know its MIHOP or LIHOP, since a nuke attack would destroy most traceable evidence, unless you know about it ahead of time.
ALSO, if Al Queda declares responisbility, it will be a heretofore unheard of sect of AQ, with the message delivered in an untraceable way.
C. Martial law will be declared within one week of the attack. First, the surrounding area, then the entire state. That will be in force for an amazingly short amount of time before we start hearing about multiple "prevented" attacks, where the suspects will held without counsel so they can't refute the allegations, never to be heard from again. This will justify applying martial law nationwide, in a more limited fashion, which will then creep up in intensity. The primary function of martial law will be (surprise) clamping down on "non-loyalists" and quelling protests. Real citizens will have restricted travel. Very few provable "terrorists" will be caught, percentage wise relative to how many "anti-regime" US citizens will be arrested.
D. Remember the little thing they passed a while back that said that even a small group of congress critters can decide everything in case of a "emergency" or attack? Look for this to happen right after the attack. Look for the small group to be all republican. Look for the the reason they can meet and no one else because they are already in chamber during the attack, but the rest of congress is on recess and can't travel due to air travel being clamped down.

[dbeach]

98. black helicopters comin to a neighborhood near U

under all these draconian laws that the busheviks have jammed through..simply stating war is wrong or the cic has lied is enough for an arrest ..
and being moved to an undisclosed location indefinitly..no attorney..

its all in the PATSY ACT BUT golly gee CON gress did not read itbefore passing

BTW Patsy was written down before 9/11

HELLO on that fact

prescott bush the ole nazi must be high 5-ing with himmler in hell.
his lil nazi grandson has taken over the USA and all the moneied elites can party hearty forever.

zeig heil!!

[Hubert Flottz]

104. Replacing the General will be Lt. Gen. Boykin...

The neocon nutcase!

E. the Bush Mob will start collecting all our guns!

That's when the Freepers will finally believe that they've been had! It will be far to late then, to stop the snowballing fascism from crushing democracy once and for all...

[lostnfound]

163. No offense but your post is making me nauseous! ;)

Uggh. In a terrified kind of way. Where's the terrified smilie?

:yoiks:

[Lerkfish]

171. Its been making ME that way for a while, now. not offended.

[jhain]

99. have you been to the PNAC site lately?

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

take note of the lille scroller...

[nookiemonster]

102. Isn't that dandy. Throw China in the mix too.

I found another little article regarding the Iran fiasco:

August 2, 2005

MEMORANDUM TO: OPINION LEADERS

FROM: GARY SCHMITT

SUBJECT: A New Estimate on Iran’s Nukes

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iran-20050802.htm

The last paragraph sends shivers down my spine.

None of this means that the U.S. should be planning an attack tomorrow. There are numerous practical problems we would confront in carrying out that decision, even if that were in theory the right one to make. But it does mean that we have no reason to relax, nor can we postpone difficult decisions indefinitely.

So I'm thinkin', what could nullify those "practical problems"?

:tinfoilhat:

[TheCentepedeShoes]

122. I try not to go there anymore

but you made me look.

[nookiemonster]

130. Sorry. I know. The shit is almost too scary to comprehend.

:scared:

[sintax]

103. Time to Act Up!-Nominated

Seeing things and remaining quiet about them will change nothing, not even ourselves. But saying things - having the courage to testify to our own forbidden knowledge - could be the way the world changes.

[many a good man]

105. Purge under way at State

Todays WP: At State, Some Employees Languish in Security Limbo
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=147109&mesg_id=147109

Forty State Department career employees have had their security clearances revoked indefinitely while they await appeal on sex related charges. The article quotes three central Asia and Persian Gulf specialists.

It looks like they've been eliminating coup sympathizers for a long time now....

[halobeam]

106. kick

:kick:

[pola]

107. TIME IS RUNNING OUT - PREVENT A NUKE ON OUR SOIL !

STARTING TOMORROW, MONDAY, - PLEASE DON'T WAIT !!
CALL the media (T.V. RADIO, NEWSPAPERS) AND MOST OF ALL, CALL THE CONGRESS - JAM THE PHONE LINES, and say you hope these stories circulating about why General Byrnes was really fired, and the Aug. 17, Aug. 22, etc. nuke 'drills' are not true, but that the American people will NOT BE FOOLED AGAIN - like we were on 9/11.
TELL THEM THAT WE WILL KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT, THAT IF WE ARE NUKED HERE ON OUR SOIL, THAT IT WILL BE A GOVERNMENT INSIDE JOB, JUST LIKE 9/11 WAS !! This is the ONLY way they can pull off bombing Iran, and starting a NEW WAR without Congressional approval..

THe stage is being set for this to happen. G.W.'s words reveal his intentions .
For God's sake, let's DO SOMETHING THIS WEEK TO RAISE AWARENESS !
Any other ideas ?

:nuke: :scared:

[Name removed]

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[JanusAscending]

142. HOW????????

This is a new member, right? Only 4 posts, and gold star means they are a financial donor, right? Why would they disable their profile, or did DU do it? Is this a freeper? Please "LUCY you've got some 'splainin' to do" I'm new too, and would like some clarification in regards to matters like this. Thanks!:hi:

[dbeach]

152. called my congressmans office

spoek to a Rep who had no clue about Gen Byrnes,9/11 mock training execises and was not very recpetive..BUT whatever..thats on her..

I think its a good idea

Personaly I doubt if sauron cheny is gonna nuke the east coast this wk ..
8/15 is Catholic feast day of the Assumption and 8/15-17 1969 was Woodstock ..so lots of goood energy is in the air so to speak.
I think sauron may do some power outages and harassment during Hurricaine Irene

Drawing attention to the possible plans of these ruthless busheviks is a way of delaying ,stopping and exposing them. DARKNESS like this has NEVER been experienced in history and these control freaks hate the LIGHT of TRUTH.

[goforit]

108. Scary Sh*t.....Bush said there would be" impending doom" 2 weeks ago

Hmmmm......funny how they release freudian slips here and there.

[cthrumatrix]

112. there are many eyes on this...perhaps they are soooo

desparate it won't matter.

Time, internet and truthfighters are not thier friends.

[moodforaday]

120. Yep. Source:

The (over)exercise of power - Los Angeles Times

A week ago, when President Bush met with Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson III to interview him for a potential Supreme Court nomination, the conversation turned to exercise. When asked by the president of the United States how often he exercised, Wilkinson impressively responded that he runs 3 1/2 miles a day. Bush urged him to adopt more cross-training. "He warned me of impending doom," Wilkinson told the New York Times.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-chait22jul22,0,3359930.column?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

[goforit]

126. And of all places for this to be published....L.A. Times.

Thanks for posting this link.

Bush is one crazy dude.
But even he can't keep a secret too long.
Wilkinson must have been quite startled after the interview.

Bush didn't have his mind on the interview, he was to busy
thinking about nuclear destruction via his dirty fingers 24/7.

Freudian slips are amazing.

[Ms. Clio]

129. This needs its own thread---I can't believe the average American wouldn't

freak out if she or he knew that the President of the most powerful nation on the planet had said such an astounding and terrifying thing, and recommended CROSS-TRAINING to prepare for it????

[moodforaday]

131. You should also see

Posts 4 and 23 in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1700341

[JanusAscending]

143. Then what's his excuse for keeping that "fat pig" rove on?

:7 Maybe he "spots" for him!!

[QuettaKid]

154. wasn't he referring to his health?

I had read that as the guy needed more exercise.

[jsamuel]

114. One suggestion:

This could work if you took out the nuclear part and put in "gas truck bombs" instead. The point being that there are more than one possibility here.

[OzarkDem]

115. Byrnes & Army War College Criticized the War in 2003

Recall the group at the Army War College are the same ones who wrote this scathing report about the problems in Iraq -

http://www.carlisle.army.mil/ssi/pubs/2003/bounding/bounding.pdf

"The United States is now in the third year of the global war
on terrorism. That war began as a fi ght against the organization
that perpetrated the heinous attacks of September 11, 2001, but
soon became a much more ambitious enterprise, encompassing,
among other things, an invasion and occupation of Iraq. As part
of the war on terrorism, the United States has committed not only
to ridding the world of terrorism as a means of violence but also to
transforming Iraq into a prosperous democratic beacon for the rest
of the autocratically ruled and economically stagnant Middle East to
follow.

Dr. Jeffrey Record examines three features of the war on terrorism
as currently defi ned and conducted: (1) the administration’s
postulation of the terrorist threat, (2) the scope and feasibility
of U.S. war aims, and (3) the war’s political, fi scal, and military
sustainability. He fi nds that the war on terrorism—as opposed to
the campaign against al-Qaeda—lacks strategic clarity, embraces
unrealistic objectives, and may not be sustainable over the long haul.
He calls for down-sizing the scope of the war on terrorism to refl ect
concrete U.S. security interests and the limits of American military
power."

[Supersedeas]

160. nice connection -- this should not be forgotten

[OzarkDem]

183. Sounds like the Army War College guys were a threat

that Rummy had to deal with, a counter-coup so to speak. A very big power struggle at the top.

I'm not sure about the nuclear exercise theory.

[moodforaday]

118. Chilling scenario by Richard Clarke

(I posted this in a separate thread last night, but it belongs here.)

This isn't new, but it's extremely interesting, even if you believe, as I do, that Clarke has been playing part-time shill for the Bush administration.

It's written as an imaginary lecture delivered in 2011, ten years after 9-11, looking back at the war on terror. Clarke predicts attacks on US soil and an attack on Iran as a retaliation. The chilling part is that Clarke annotates each of his predictions with real sources. He's not at all optimistic on how a war with Iran would play out for the US. You'll note that some of his predictions have already come true (attacks on public transport, though not in the US).

It's a lengthy but a gripping read - I guarantee.

Looking Back On The War On Terrorism 10 Years Later: September 11, 2011

http://www.bluegrassreport.org/bluegrass_politics/2005/07/looking_back_on.html

(It was originally published in Atlantic, and still available there at http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200501/clarke but you need a subscription. Google returns a lot of copies elsewhere.)

In my other post I included a few excerpts:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4341426&mesg_id=4341426

[Octafish]

123. Madsen adds another General to the list cashiered by BFEE

Wheels of the BFEE bus are coming off, blm!

Now's the time we ALL got to keep our eyes and ears open.

First Byrnes, now Casey

August 14, 2005 -- Another U.S. Army General Rebuked. After further top-level military confirmation to WMR that four-star General Kevin Byrnes was relieved of his command as commander of TRADOC for disagreeing with the neo-con cabal in the Pentagon (not for an extra marital affair as reported by the main stream media), now comes word that General George Casey, the commander of all U.S. ground forces in Iraq, has been admonished by the Pentagon and the White House for suggesting that U.S. forces could be drawn down by 30,000 troops during 2006. The actions against two top U.S. Army generals are indicators of widespread disgust among the flag rank officers with the Bush administration.

First Byrnes, now Casey. Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld berating the Generals.

Meanwhile, dissension and morale problems within the U.S. intelligence community continue unabated. There will soon be more embarassing revelations from within both the CIA and NSA. Stay tuned.

SOURCE:

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com

Oh, yeah. Our mouths, too!

[blm]

127. Marching beside you, my friend.

.

[goforit]

128. Interesting!! This appears to be getting more and more difficult

for the bush cabal.

The only success they would have is through respected leadership
and not many respect Bush/Cheney/Rummy.

[dbeach]

153. Maybe all this tuff work at crime solving is getting some notice

from the big brass.???.as U know the bush criminals will not leave any witnesses..cuz its the bush way the way of TREASON,deceit,war ,fear mongering..and of course profitting from each step.

bush will turn his guns on the dissenters even if they have 4 stars on their shoulders or are high ranking govt employeess

FASCISM has no remorse..only has the limited ability to cover up their crimes as they advance to their next crime..

However Sherlocxk Holmes and there are many is on their trail.

9/11
7/7
8/05
mock drills=real terrist attacks

"Holmes simply amazing!

Elementary my Dear Watson.Elementary!"

[Fleshdancer]

132. So Gen. Byrnes' replacement is the Sr. investigating officer of Abu Ghraib

um, okaay...


Looks like Gen. Byrnes was replaced by three star Lieutenant General Anthony Jones:
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/1666606.html

So then I Google the replacement and find this:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2004/08/iraq-040825-dod02.htm

Special Defense Department Briefing on Results of Investigation of Military Intelligence Activities at Abu Ghraib Prison Facility

Major General Fay was initially appointed by Lieutenant General Sanchez, who later recused himself so that the report could account for all of his chain of command to include himself. I was named as the appointing official, as a result of that, in June, and Lieutenant General Jones was named as the senior investigating officer.

Q And just one question -- I'm sorry -- for General Jones. Do any failings by the general in charge at the time in Iraq, do they rise to the possible level of criminal negligence?

GEN. KERN: We did not find that, but I'll let General Jones, who did that, answer your question.

GEN. JONES: As you know, I was charged with looking at the chain of command above the 205th Brigade. And as General Kern has said, putting things in context, what they were faced with as they transitioned from 5th Corps -- and the commander -- faced with a counterinsurgency -- fighting that while transitioning numerous people.

In my 34 years -- I started a little bit later in life in the military than General Kern, so I only have 34-plus years -- I can sympathize with what they were going through, the complexity of the environment, what it's like to fight a war.

As I look at it, I had to determine three things. In the chain of command of the 205th, were they directly or indirectly involved in the execution of the mission they had given their subordinate units? Did they provide clear and consistent guidance to those units and to those leaders? And did they resource them appropriately?

Given the responsibilities in our profession of the commanders at all levels being responsible for the leadership below them and the units below them, my conclusion was two things: one, that the leadership above the 205th MI Brigade were not directly responsible for the violent abuses that happened as we've depicted. However, I will tell you they bear responsibility for those things that happened in the units and the soldiers underneath them happened. But neither did their policies, procedures, nor doctrine, nor training also cause or condone the actions that were taken, specifically the violent abuses and the sexual misconduct.

Q So you're saying -- I'm sorry -- (inaudible) -- neither General Sanchez nor General Karpinski should be brought up on charges. (Off mike) -- this because --

GEN. KERN: Let me clarify. Remember General Karpinski is the commander of the 800th Military Police Brigade.

Q But she was in the chain of command.

GEN. KERN: She was -- we would like to say that, but not explicitly. And that was one of the confusion factors that we did find and report on. What we found was that -- and General Jones reports on it very clearly, and I'll let him add to that -- is there should have been clear direction given from General Sanchez and his deputy to ensure that General Karpinski knew what her role was.

Q But as far as any charges are concerned, potential charges?

GEN. KERN: Again, we are not referring charges that are outside the boundaries of that, and some of those already are in the report that General Taguba has submitted on the 800th MP Brigade, which did include General Karpinski. I'm not trying to duck your answer, but it could be referred to outside of our report.

Q General Jones has made pretty clear that he doesn't think that your top general should in any way face charges, given the circumstances.

GEN. JONES: We've provided our report and all the things in our report to include the mitigating circumstances of what this unit -- what the headquarters, with General Sanchez, and what they were going through, to include: continue to prosecute the war; the counterinsurgency; support the Coalition Provisional Authority; support the Iraqi people in the reconstruction efforts of their country and the establishment of the directorates which they needed to establish, working with different agencies and entities to do that; and what that caused them somewhat, based on their under-resourcing and movement to that transition to a combined joint task force; all that was going on at the same time.

They completely changed the leadership in their staff, moving from tactical level to operational and strategic level. They had to change the mind-set at the same time they had to fight for intelligence, establish an intelligence operational structure which enabled them to fight that counterinsurgency, determining who this faceless enemy was, what the support base was, and so forth. And that morphed over a period of four to five months in which they worked 24/7 just to get that accomplished.

GEN. KERN: I think to very specifically answer, we did not find General Sanchez culpable but we found him responsible for the things that did or did not happen.

[Fleshdancer]

133. linking the abuse with the base closings:

Disclaimer: I'm not familiar with this news source so if you know it but don't trust it, please let me know.

http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl2212/stories/20050617000806300.htm

On May 20, 2005, The New York Times reported on the forcible death of two presumed innocent Afghans at Bagram. The coroner, Lt. Col. Elizabeth Rouse, noted of the deaths of Dilawar and Habibullah: "I've seen similar injuries in an individual run over by a bus." Held at Bagram in late 2002, both men suffered beatings and all manner of torture at the hands of their U.S. captors. Out of a ferocious sense of revenge, boredom and impunity, the American interrogators beat them to death. In August 2004, in an internal report, the army investigator Lt. General Anthony Jones noted that Captain Carolyn Wood had instituted "remarkably similar" interrogation procedures for both Bagram and Abu Ghraib in Iraq.

These deaths even provoked Afghan President Hamid Karzai to demand custody of the detainees in Afghan-run prisons. Yet, there is nothing extraordinary about them: they are a direct result of the offshore torture strategy mapped out by the Pentagon. Rumsfeld has long wanted to downsize expensive domestic bases and replace them with "frontier stockades" staffed by private corporations and by private contractors. These are now being built as Rumsfeld's vision comes to life. In 2002, Rumsfeld made systematic his contempt for the military procedures as much as for international law. He encouraged the military "to take greater risks". He pushed them to "break the `belt and suspenders' mindset within today's military". The new outsourced strategy is vintage Rumsfeld, whose vision is a perfect merger of corporate and cowboy logic.

[Al-CIAda]

136. .

[moodforaday]

137. kick

[Aviation Pro]

138. The night of the long knives is coming....

...and the Generals know it. This is the way the world ends, not with a whimper, but with a bang.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

140. Ain't it just amusing...

that under the UCMJ you can bomb the living bejesus out of a civilian population, but get thrown out of the army for committing adultery. I'm just saying...

[BattyDem]

145. Oh shit ... now I'm never going to be able to sleep tonight.

:scared:

Um, just in case ...
Goodbye DUers - it's been great knowing you. You guys are the BEST! :patriot:

So ... how can we stop this shit? :shrug:

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

147. Buscho has not and...

...will not abandon their original PNAC plans for taking over the Middle East and the world oil market. Iran IS next. Exactly how remains to be seen. Some kind of staged terrorism event on U.S. soil is a given, but after that it's anyone's guess as to how they'll proceed. I'm guessing small scale nukes, perhaps using Israel as our surrogate delivery agent. The Middle East will be in flames and we'll have martial law here. No more protesting unless you want to be rounded up by Homeland Security.

5 years ago I would've dismissed the posts on this thread laughing at what would've seemed like a bunch of paranoid nutcases.
Tonight what I read is so deeply disturbing, but seems, under the circumstances, not only plausible but likely.

[moodforaday]

149. Monday kick

:kick:

[Al-CIAda]

150. .

[Catchawave]

155. Local paper editorial - questions the Fall From Grace

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=90628&ran=21693

<snip>
This is such an unusual case that an Army spokesman wasn’t immediately able to cite the last time a four-star general had been relieved of command.

So, what personal behavior would be so serious as to remove a general officer whose elevation to the highest uniformed rank presumably required exceptional demonstration of character?

Was it merely a question of appearance that might have undermined respect for the chain of command? Or did he abuse his authority to extract favors and escape accountability?

Something doesn’t add up. This is a man with an apparently spotless 35-year record who was entrusted to shape military doctrine and training for hundreds of thousands of soldiers and their officers. If his character was so flawed, how did it escape detection for so many years?
<snip>

[dbeach]

158. the eye of sauron sees all

"how did it escape detection for so many years?"

busheviks have this uber ability to detect any dissent..its like in al dem new fangled tecnology that your tax dollars paid for and its now being used to catch those real criminals like red lense violators and those stop sign go threw -ers....ect...

in short anyone who rocks the bush boat is a perceived threat.

'PRICE OF LOYALTY" that many including Generals don't wanna pay.

'Catch a wave and your sittin on top of the world.."

[blm]

169. you should start a new thread on this....let's collect what the papers are

saying for the next couple days

[Catchawave]

175. I thought of starting a thread, but decided to add it to yours!

It's a small editorial, but significant because Ft. Monroe is nearby, as well as the largest naval base on the East Coast. So it definitely had that "man bites dog" punch :)

[Al-CIAda]

157. .

[Al-CIAda]

159. .

[Ganja Ninja]

170. They are setting up for a complete take over.

He's simultaneously decimating our military and putting his own loyal followers in charge.
They've even been talking about funding militia groups with federal money.
They've even created private armies to use in Iraq that could be used right here at home. All they have to do is use the Iraqi troops to take over for the mercenaries then bring them back on our military transports and have them ready to go. Once that's done our troops in the field are essentially held hostage. They will have to fight for their lives in order to receive support. He's setting up for a complete takeover by force.

[nonny]

174. More Details on the Terror Drill

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=51477&mesg_id=52308

Crews to coordinate efforts for exercise

By Steve Jones
The Sun News

SHALLOTTE, N.C. - The largest terrorism drill in N.C. history is set for mid-August and will include some kind of attack on Sunny Point Military Ocean Terminal in Brunswick County, officials said Wednesday.
The drill will stretch from Fort Bragg in Cumberland County to Morehead City in the state's central coast area to Brunswick County. Emergency and law-enforcement units from Virginia to South Carolina have been invited to participate, as have those from the seven counties that surround Fort Bragg. Participation by military personnel and equipment will hinge on their availability.

snip-

Aug. 15 | A weapons of mass destruction situation will take place at Fort Bragg in Fayetteville, N.C., that will involve the Army, the Air Force at adjoining Pope Air Force Base and the FBI. The exercise may involve emergency and law enforcement from seven counties surrounding the base.

Aug. 16 | An as-yet undetermined event will take place at Seymour-Johnson Air Force Base in Goldsboro, N.C., and may involve response by local emergency and law enforcement units.

Aug. 17 | A vehicle will explode on the Cedar Island-Ocracoke Ferry in Pamlico Sound. Helicopter units from Cherry Point Marine Corps Air Station will rescue survivors and the Coast Guard and law enforcement agencies will secure the scene and determine whether the incident is connected with earlier ones.

An oil spill will take place at the State Port in Morehead City, N.C., that will involve response by the Coast Guard.

Aug. 18 | There will be the threat of a radiological dispersion device during a military offload at the Morehead City port, used by Camp Lejeune.

A small scale pneumonic plague will potentially spread from animals to humans beginning outside Camp Lejeune in Onslow County, N.C.

An as yet undetermined event will take place in or around Sunny Point Military Ocean Terminal in Brunswick County, N.C.

(Posted by: admin on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 10:08 AM)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=51477&mesg_id=52308

[sintax]

176. kick n/t

[David Zephyr]

177. Kick!

Thanks for the update, blm.

[Al-CIAda]

178. .

[TheDebbieDee]

179. US Navy plane just made an emergency landing.....

at Norfolk Naval Base in VA. Could this be Phase I of the Terror Drill?

[sintax]

181. .....

[katamaran]

182. No, that was the landing gear stuck in the wings

I watched it live on TV here and could see the stuck wheels. Circled for 2 hours to burn out fuel, then they landed with one engine shut off on its belly. It was a C2A Greyhound, used to transport gear and personnel to aircraft carriers. People got out and kissed the ground.


http://www.wvec.com/news/topstories/stories/wvec_top_081505_cod_emergency.790c2ce0.html

[robertpaulsen]

184. Kick

:kick:

[Al-CIAda]

185. .

[seemslikeadream]

186. Hey I'm gonna hang around with you and robertpaulsen till tomorrow

:hi:

[bearfan454]

187. kick

[TheDebbieDee]

188. Kick.....

[Al-CIAda]

189. .

[RBHam]

190. Kick for the truth

Four Star General Fired For Organizing Coup Against Neo-Cons?

Reporter suggests Brynes discovered plan to turn nuke exercise into staged terror attack

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones | August 10 2005

The head of Fort Monroe's Training and Doctrine Command, four star general Kevin P. Byrnes, was fired Tuesday apparently for sexual misconduct according to official sources.

Other sources however have offered a different explanation for Byrnes' dismissal which ties in with the Bush administration's unpopular plan to attack Iran and the staged nuclear attack in the US which would provide the pretext to do so.

According to reporter Greg Szymanski, anonymous military sources said that Brynes was the leader of a faction that was preparing to instigate a coup against the neo-con hawks in an attempt to prevent further global conflict.

Indications are that, much like popular opinion amongst the general public, half the military oppose the neo-con's agenda and half support it.

more...

http://www.infowars.com/articles/terror/nuclear_terror.htm

[TheDebbieDee]

191. I don't recall this being mentioned upthread, but......

even though the Russia-China Joint Military Exercise was not agreed upon until recently, their exercise is supposed to commence on 08/18/05.

Could there be a connection between our Terror Drill and Russia-China scheduling their Joint Military exercise on the same day? The Science Daily article states that the joint exercise is to start on 08/18/05

http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNews&article=UPI-1-20050803-08213800-bc-china-military.xml