Wilson: I Made Up Rove Leak Allegation

[DulceDecorum]

Former U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Joseph Wilson admitted Monday morning that he fabricated a key part of his allegation that the White House deliberately blew his wife's cover as a CIA weapons analyst.
Wilson has accused top Bush political strategist Karl Rove of leaking the name to columnist Robert Novak, telling a Seattle audience last month that he wanted "to see whether or not we can get Karl Rove frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs."
But he told ABC's "Good Morning America" on Monday that he got "carried away" and made up the Rove allegation out of thin air.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/9/29/143328.shtml

WAIT WAIT, THERE"S MORE


Joe Wilson Vowed Vengeance Against Karl Rove

The man at the center of the storm over whether the White House leaked the name of his CIA-analyst-wife to the press swore vengeance against the Bush administration just one month ago, telling a Seattle audience that he'd wanted to "to see whether or not we can get Karl Rove frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs."
With the Washington Post doing his dirty work on Sunday, former ambassador to Iraq, Joseph Wilson seems to be gathering a few allies in his mission, with Democrats like Sen. Charles Schumer proclaiming yesterday, "Whoever should go to jail."
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/9/29/103827.shtml

[MoonAndSun]

1. Newsmax?? Nuff said.

[diplomats]

2. Poor Newsmax

even if it wasn't Karl Rove, it was saome body high up in the WH.

[DinahMoeHum]

3. Can someone get us a link from Good Morning America?

n/t

:evilfrown:

[w4rma]

9. Newsmax is just making up crap out of thin air. Propagandists.

Propaganda works. They got you wondering. Other folks who are more inclined to belive ShrubCo won't just wonder, they'll believe.

To elaborate, the quotes may be correct, but within context the quotes could mean something totally different.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

31. just like they did about Clinton for 8 years

Some of this stuff is just concocted whole cloth, and sometimes with a bit of truth mixed in. They want us to just forget about it, and assume it's no big deal.

If we make it a story, it will be a story.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

32. duplicate

[Cappurr]

4. Yeah....Newsmax

And I heard what Wilson said. Don't have a transcript but I do not recall him actually saying Rove did it. He DID say he'd like to see him frog-marched, ect. AND he was really PISSED.

[diplomats]

12. Josh Marshall says the WH denial that Rove's the leaker

is probably true in a technical sense because they wouldn't be dumb enough to tell such a bald-faced lie. But it sure was somebody, and Rove likely signed off on it.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com

[rooboy]

5. Newsmax: Clinton put me up to it...

and I killed Vince Foster.

[grasswire]

7. discussion here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=432435

[w13rd0]

6. The new rules...

...would render this post "poof"...

Newsmax? The "newspaper" that wants to remind us that Clinton killed Vince Foster and that Hillary Clinton is a communist alien carrying Chairman Mao's lovechild?

[prolesunited]

22. Not true!

3. If you post an article or other published content which is from a conservative source or which expresses a traditionally conservative viewpoint, you must state your opinion about the piece and/or the issues it raises.

According to the proposed rules, this could be posted. All the poster would have to state is his/her opinion. ie "Newsmax is know for its spin and I think Wilson is telling the truth." <-- See, not so hard to follow the rule and still bring up a topic.

[Individualist]

8. ROFL

Your source is Newsmax? What's next, quotes from Faux News?

[DulceDecorum]

13. Nope. Rush.

Don't jump to conclusions on this Wilson thing, because I think some of you are going to be very surprised when we get to the bottom of it. What do I mean by that? Well, we know that there are a number of Clinton administration holdovers in the Bush administration - particularly in the State Department. Bush has not cleaned them out. Don't assume the worst just because that was a safe assumption with the previous White House occupant. This president has given no indication of such behavior. Besides, if such corruption were ever proven, you'd better believe conservatives would go after Bush for it rather than make excuses for him like the left did for Clinton.
http://rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_092903/content/truth_detector_3.guest.html

:evilgrin:

[Individualist]

16. If you think I'm interested

in what Liar Limbaugh has to say, think again. One need only look at posts by conservative disruptors to see that they'd defend chimpy no matter what he does. Fortunately facts are getting out now, and if there's any justice left in this country, chimpy will go to prison for treason, not only for this but for the other things he's done.

[diplomats]

20. I think DulceDecorum

is just having a bit of fun.

[DulceDecorum]

25. You are correct

I do NOT support Newsmax, nor Ugh.
But I Do watch the PR spin of this administration very closely and I wanted to see just WHAT they are going to say about all this.
And the whole recurring Republican/Nazi theme.


(Sep 2) This is the hottest and most explosive story behind the scenes in Washington in terms of how it could affect the Bush administration.
Ambassador Joseph Wilson has been turning up the heat in this situation. He revealed on Friday August 29 in a symposium in Washington the person in the Bush administration, who had leaked it out to the Washington Post that Wilson’s wife is a CIA agent of 26 years. As a consequence of this leak, her entire team of overseas assets were liquidated.
The leaker, it turns out, was none other than the notorious Karl H. Rove, Bush’s so-called White House advisor. Ambassador Wilson identified him as Karl Roverer, with the umlaut over the “o.”
According to reliable sources, as well as our own Al Martin Raw.com investigation, Karl Rove is, in fact, the grandson of Karl Heinz Roverer, the gauleiter of Mecklenburg, who was also a partner and senior engineer of Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurbüro AG. They built Birchenau, the concentration camp in Nazi Germany.
So Karl Rove has been identified as the leaker responsible for the deaths of more than 70 CIA assets overseas (See previous story “Will the Real Chemical Ali Please Stand Up? The Curious Case of Ambassador Joseph Wilson)
When Ambassador Wilson was asked how he knew it was Rove, he had documents in his possession identifying Rove as the leaker from a secret investigation of the State Department’s Internal; Security Unit. It was a from a small clique, four Clinton holdovers in that department of the State Department that were sympathetic to what had happened to Wilson.
http://almartinraw.com/public/column106.html.

[maggrwaggr]

39. * could be having anal sex with an eight year old on the fifty yard line

of the super bowl while guzzling scotch and smoking crack and Rush Limpballs would still find a way to defend him

[diplomats]

17. That paragraph leaves me speechless

how many lies can one fit into such few words?

[DulceDecorum]

23. There is no international prize for lying

but maybe this administration will rectify that.

Previously, the closest thing was the Geraldo which is also known as the Sinverguenza. But that only for US mediawhores.

[thebigidea]

19. geezuz

pretty slimy there.

And what's with this Clintonista thing they're trying to pin to Wilson?

FOX showed him next to Clinton...

hasn't he been a diplomat since 1976? Which means he worked under Reagan and both Bushies?

[mhr]

10. If True ABC Would Be Shouting From The Rooftops

Retraction, Retraction, Retraction

[knight_of_the_star]

14. Yeah

That they would be. I'm not surprised that NewsMax would do something like that. And to the uninformed individual, that is an easy connection to make at first glance.

[Robin Hood]

11. The liburul media making up stuff again..

oh, wait..

[sandnsea]

15. Saw him on Buch & Press

He said the same thing as on GMA, Rove knew of and condoned the leak, at a minimum. That's not exactly saying he made up the allegation out of thin air.

[Catholic Sensation]

18. I'm not going to trust a news site

That has a banner for matchmaker.com and popup ads for fishing hats "worn by our soldiers in iraq!"

[Cha]

21. That's not the way I got it on c-span this morning...

Wilson said "he got carried away" but that was from talking about it...not that it was wrong...

He was so cool, calm, and collected!

[janekat]

24. Read it closely - they're twisting the wording - yellow journalism

Wilson did not deny the entire allegation. THIS is what he backtracked on: "I don't have any knowledge that Karl Rove HIMSELF was either the leaker or the authorizer of the leak."

THIS is the part that Wilson mis-stated:

"In one speech I gave out in Seattle not too long ago, I mentioned the name Karl Rove," Wilson told GMA. "I think I was probably carried away by the spirit of the moment."

Wilson then confessed, "I don't have any knowledge that Karl Rove himself was either the leaker or the authorizer of the leak."

Wilson insisted, however, "I have great confidence that, at a minimum, condoned it and certainly did nothing to shut it down."

VERY SCARY example of yellow journalism.

[janekat]

26. Did you even READ this story before you posted it? It is YELLOW

journalism.

[DulceDecorum]

28. I KNOW that it is fake news

but that about ALL that gets airplay these days.
And I do like to keep tabs on that lot. It is a yucky job, but someone has to do it.
Fasten your seatbelt.
More Rush.

Wilson had no credentials as an investigator. May: "As Mr. Wilson himself acknowledged, his so-called investigation was nothing more than 'eight days drinking sweet mint tea and meeting with dozens of people.'" So when the New York Times gave Wilson a job investigating whether Saddam tried to buy uranium in Africa, the question of him getting that job based on his wife's connections became newsworthy. To illustrate Wilson's lack of knowledge, May points out that Wilson today claims he opposed the end of Saddam's regime because he didn't think he had WMD. Yet prior to the liberation he darkly warned ABC that he feared Saddam could "use a biological weapon in a battle."

Wilson wrote the Times op-ed saying that the claim, which Bush never made, that Saddam bought yellowcake from Niger was "highly unlikely." That isn't the same as saying it never happened or that Saddam didn't try, which was the charge. If a maniac like him took a shot at getting uranium, it's a major red flag. There was no reason to apologize for the 16 words in which President Bush said UK intelligence (which the Brits stand by to this day) showed that Saddam had "tried to buy uranium from Africa." Appeasing the left by apologizing has helped turn this molehill into a mountain with Democrats calling for an independent council.
http://rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_092903/content/truth_detector.guest.html

This is the stuff they are trying to pull over.
Yes, it is annoying, but at least we KNOW the cards they are going to play.

"Managing the outrage
is more important
than managing the hazard."
--Hill & Knowlton's Thomas Buckmaster
http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/1997Q1/risky.html

[bpilgrim]

34. he wasn't the ONLY one who reported NEGATIVE from africa

others checked out the story as well and reported back that it was bogus... don't have a link but i am sure someone does.

:hi:

peace

[Jim Sagle]

27. Newsmax ain't nuthin' but shit.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

33. Jim, your economy of language is impressive these days.

Cut-and-paste in the first word and you're good to go!

Funny and on point, yet economical.

I really need to upgrade my brown belt in Dao.

[Cha]

38. lol!

[Scairp]

29. Wilson on CNN NOW n/t

[imax2268]

30. newsmax...

consider the source...:puke:

[quaker bill]

35. Newsmax???

Sooner or later it will all be Bill Clinton's fault. "Clinton made me do it" to get the focus off the Lewinski affair.... Or something..

[Melinda]

36. Here's the video of Joe Wilson's Seattle Speech

Fast forward to 1 hour, 18 minutes of the clip:

http://www.onlinevideoservice.com/clients/inslee/inslee_hi.ram

And the http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/136021_intelligence21.html">link to Rep Inslee's forum press:

The questions Wilson raised point to the need for a full-scale congressional investigation of how the war was justified, Inslee said -- and whether the administration relied on faulty intelligence or even manipulated it to serve its own ends.

"There's enormous interest in finding out what happened -- why these false impressions were created," he said.

"I think people would like Congress to get off the dime and look into how we got into Iraq."

[ConsAreLiars]

37. Why the false and misleading topic heading?

Your words are a lie.

Your source is well known to be a rightwing disinfo operation. That they would attempt to deceive is no surprise, but your topic heading was: "Wilson: I Made Up Rove Leak Allegation"

Why did you choose to state this as fact?

???

[DulceDecorum]

42. Click on the link

THAT is the title that NEWSMAX chose to give the piece.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/9/29/143328.shtml

All I did was sound the alarm.
MSNBC checks in with
ANALYSIS by Tom Curry.

.....A less-noticed aspect of the whodunit was another mystery, one which raised questions of potential incompetence in the Bush administration.
Who in the White House had been so tone-deaf as to approve the CIA’s choice of Wilson, who turned out to be an outspoken opponent of the Iraq invasion and has criticized it in the left-leaning Nation magazine?
http://msnbc.com/news/973584.asp?0sl=-21

[LittleApple81]

47. Aren't the NewsMax people the ones that give away books by

Coulter et. al for free when people subscribe to their printed magazine?

[DulceDecorum]

50. Yup.

That's how she gets to be a best seller.
And the only one, I might add, that gives budgies diarrhea.
(From trying to cover up her ghastly writing on the pages lining their cages.)

[ConsAreLiars]

51. Why repeat Newsmax lies here?

You might want to read the proposed rules for posting. It is a shame they need to be made explicit, but your post, containing nothing but rightwing lies, even going so far as to use their exact title as a topic header, is a good example of why these rules have been suggested.

If you actually believe that it was going to be informative for people who might not be aware of how the cons are spinning and slandering, your message header and body should have conveyed this intent, rather than simply repeating their deceptions.

If you think that people read DU forums in order to get reprints from the Cabalistas, you are mistaken.

[robbedvoter]

40. I stack my credibility against them (WH) any time" - now on C_Span

He just explained that there were 3 confrontations so far - he won all 3 of them (the 16 words, Cheney sending him, the WH officials leaking this)

[spanone]

41. I wouldn't blame him

[Dr Fate]

43. Why are Newsmax Articles at DU?

They get AD money for every click we send them- thus providing funds to Bush/media.

I significant portion of their stories turn out to be false- the Clinton/Lay golf lie, the Hillary gold-Star Mothers Lie, the Whitehouse vandalism LIE..

I just named 3 specific examples off the top of my head- check www.snopes.com and type these in if you do not believe me...

Du should not be a dumping ground/vomitorium for rightwing spin- especially when there is a good chance it's not even true...

[DrBB]

44. This story has been credibly and responsibly reported

...in a number of reputable sources without this transparent Newsmax BULLSHIT slant.

The FACT is that Wilson has said he spoke in a moment of heat--entirely understandable in one whose WIFE is being attacked--and that he had no evidence to support accusing Rove particularly. In my opinion, this thing has Rove's stink all over it and if you don't think so you aren't paying attention. But that's not evidence for a public accusation and Wilson was smart to back off of it.

BUT THIS POST IS SHIT. If you wanted to bring the basic facts to light, there was NO NEED to resort to this reich-slanted Newsmax CRAP. There are any number of GENUINE reports of this that don't look like something straight from Limbaugh's anal cyst.

I don't what it IS with this goddamn reichwing GARBAGE proliferating on DU lately. I expected to see "12 posts" after your name. I am disgusted by this.

edit: little clarification

[DulceDecorum]

48. Try VOA

Ambassador Wilson has become increasingly critical of the administration in recent months, after challenging the assertion that Iraq tried to buy uranium in Africa. Last week, Mr. Wilson appeared at a news conference along with representatives from anti-war groups calling for the dismissal of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

"But 9-11 did not give the president and his administration a license to go to war with any nation at any time, based upon some notion that, perhaps, they might someday in the future, if not otherwise dealt with, pose a threat to the region or to us," he said.

Ambassador Wilson retired from the U.S. foreign service in 1998. He was the top U.S. diplomat in Baghdad during the run-up to the Persian Gulf War in 1991.
http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=41DFF7B6-86DD-47EB-838822682C9A87C2
And then if you look at other articles linked to that page, you will see that VOA changes it's story.

In his column, Novak attributed the information about Plame's involvement in Wilson's trip to Africa to two unnamed senior administration officials. But he did not attribute her name to them.
" asked me not to use her name, but never indicated it would endanger her or anybody else," he said.
Novak said a confidential source at the CIA told him Plame was "an analyst, not a spy, not covert operative and not in charge of undercover operatives."
Other CIA sources told CNN on Monday that Plame was an operative who ran agents in the field.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/29/novak.cia/

Novak wrote:
Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an Agency OPERATIVE on weapons of mass destruction. Two senior administration officials told me Wilson's wife suggested sending him to Niger to investigate the Italian report. The CIA says its counter-proliferation officials selected Wilson and asked his wife to contact him. "I will not answer any question about my wife," Wilson told me.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/printrn20030714.shtml

And whatever Newsmax says today, we will be seeing repeated elsewhere later.

[Suspicious]

45. Heard Wilson on NPR's Day to Day, today.

He certainly did not come close to "admitting that he fabricated" anything. Here is a relevant excerpt from the interview (emphasis - obviously - mine):

Chadwick (NPR): You named, at one point, the President’s chief political advisor, Karl Rove, as the source of this leak. Do you believe that it came from that high in the administration?

Wilson: No actually…actually, I didn’t name him as the source, and what I did was I did name him in a speech I gave out in Seattle, and it has been interpreted as naming him as the source. I will freely admit that in the spirit of the moment, there may have been an excess of exuberance on my part. I will say that I have every confidence that Karl Rove condoned the leak and certainly did nothing to stop it, and he condoned it after the fact…but I don’t know who the leaker is, or who authorized the leak.

Chadwick: Who do you think – who is your chief suspect?

Wilson: I don’t have chief suspects – I’ll leave that to the Justice Department.

Link to audio: http://www.npr.org/rundowns/rundown.php?prgDate=29-Sep-2003&prgId=17

Unbelievable. Yellow journalism is an understatement. Who's guilty of fabrication, here? :eyes:

Edited for typo.

[proud patriot]

49. That's what he said with Dan Rather too ..

:hi:

[wyldwolf]

46. HA HA! You had me going there until I read the source!