So Bush thinks he's going to attack Iran.

[Guaranteed]

I'm pretty sure that Iran wouldn't be anywhere near the "cakewalk" that Iraq was. Does anyone here know anything about Iran's military capabilities?

What would a war with Iran look like?

I'd imagine a whole lot of dead American soldiers.

[Jamison]

1. You're right it could be ugly.

Iran has a lot more than the rag-tag army Saddam had.

[Erika]

2. If W says off to Iran you go to our troops

They'll say "hell, no we won't go". W's greed and insanity must be stopped and I think our troops will do it.

[katsy]

3. give * & his twins muskets and one way tickets...

to Iran, get your front row seats and pass the popcorn.

:popcorn:

[greatauntoftriplets]

4. With what troops?

The military is already stretched thinly.

That doesn't mean I think he doesn't have plans somewhere...perhaps not exactly on his desk.

[Incitatus]

7. There will have to be a draft if we go into Iran.

Of course, there will have to be an 'attack' first.

[madeline_con]

9. Probably from someone in a country other than Iran.....

for it to be legit. Maybe Uzbekis will blow up the ranch. :sarcasm:

[mcctatas]

29. Well hell, as long as they do it when the bushies are all there for a

ho-down, this problem could solve itself!

[madeline_con]

30. That ranch is so locked down,

a mouse couldn't fart without being heard.

They have a picture of every person who's been anywhere near the Peace House or Camp Casey, and their names and addresses by now.

Did Cindy leave someone home to watch her place? It could be bugged and have video cameras in every room by the time she gets home. :wow:

[greatauntoftriplets]

13. That's my conclusion.

Damnit to hell.

[madeline_con]

8. Maybe he'll draft the twins...

I think his plan will be pulled from the same orifice his last one was.

[DoYouEverWonder]

24. Israel's

n/t

[madeline_con]

5. Let him go. Can he book a direct flight from Crawford at this hour?

"Does anyone here know anything about Iran's military capabilities?"

DUH-bya does. They have WMDs, he just knows they do.

[FightingIrish]

6. We would see it as another horrible war of choice.

*-Cheney see it as a necessary next step. The build up is in high gear. The only thing lacking now is a 9-11 type hit. Stay tuned

[madeline_con]

10. I'm gald I'm in a small town.

Maybe the fallout won't drift toward us. :(

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Do you want me to fully worst case this for you?

Ok

Bush orders a NUCLEAR strike at which point Russia, and China put their nuclear forces on full alert,

You draw where it will go from there, but WW III is not out of the question... a nuclear third world

[GreenPartyVoter]

23. I think India and Pakistan are more likely to laungh, though

[wakeme2008]

12. Major lost of US lifes

Iran Sub With Exocet Missiles


Sunburn Missle.. (these will take out an aircraft carrier)


Iran Navy - Hundreds Of Exocets ( click on the thumbnail of this map at the below link and look at the major problems US ships will have)

Lot more info here http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/02/310505.shtml

[noahmijo]

14. I'm thinking dead civilians in America maybe New York City

or LA becoming smoking holes.

Oh you thought Iran was like Iraq? even if we were to demolish all it wouldn't happen without the Iranians getting off at least a few direct hits to our soil.

[Guaranteed]

15. Actually, I said I didn't think Iran would be anything like Iraq.

That was actually the point of the post.

[noahmijo]

27. You misunderstood my question it wasn't directed at you

It was sort of metaphor like stab that I would say if I was talking to some freeper who thinks that we can just run roughshot over Iran like we did Afghanistan and Iraq.

[Ready4Change]

16. If I recall...

In the Iran/Iraq war, Iraq was the higher tech, better trained force, and Iran had masses of soldiers. Despite Iraqs use of WMDs (which they got from the Reagan era USA, btw), the fanaticism of the Iranians kept the war in stalemate.

Since that time Iraq was weakened by the US un Gulf War 1 and 10 years of sanctions. Meanwhile, the fanaticism of the Iranians hasn't been greatly reduced.

The US style of warfare is designed to work against a technologically based foe, as those have conventionally been viewsed as the most dangerous. Take out their command structure, their communications, and their transportation hubs, and a modern fighting force is effectively hamstrung.

When those measures are taken against a force like Irans, you take away much of their ability to maneuver, but you do little to eliminate their WILL to fight. If anything, you might increase that will. That means any attempted occupation of such a nation will be frought with major, lasting insurgency.

Because of our tech advantage an initial attack of Iran wouldn't involve many losses on the US side. But to following occupation would likely make Iraq look pleasant. And losses on the Iranian side will be very, very high, as their main advantage is numbers.

All imo.

[Guaranteed]

18. Here's the thing:

We have a tech advantage. But we haven't been able to put it up against anyone else with any kind of serious technology.

And here's the other thing: Our advantage, our stature, puts us in a position where we have an expectation of nearly "zero" casualties on our side. I imagine that while we would *have* a good technological advantage against Iran, one that would make the casualty ratio favor our side, it's not one that would enable us to reduce our casualties to zero (or actually anywhere near it), as we've been able to do in some instances. We might be able to get 3/1, 4/1 or even 7/1, but that wouldn't be enough against an army the size of Iran's without SERIOUS casualties on our side. I think a lot of this would be due to the fact that we just don't have the real-world experience to make the best use of our technology. It has to be put to good use.

The basic idea is that it would be a real war. Lots of Americans would die.

They even have a Navy. I saw a sub above. Can you imagine our Navy being attacked? Are our sailors prepared for that?

[rateyes]

17. If Bushboy asks for authorization for pre-emptive war

in Iran....and any DEms that don't support a filibuster, and/or vote to do it all over again....we should kick their ass out of the party.

[Guaranteed]

19. That would be the end of their political careers.

Guaranteed.

[rateyes]

25. And, I'll tell you something else...

if America is attacked on our soil again, and Bushboy tries to claim it's Iran...and, we believe him....we are damned stupid.

[Telly Savalas]

28. Actually it would be the end of the political careers of GOPers too.

Given the waning popularity of the Iraq debacle, there is no way in hell the radical right could muster support for an invasion of Iran and the draft it would necessitate.

That's why there's almost no chance of it happening.

[Gemini Cat]

34. I seriously hope you are right.

If you aren't, we are fried. China and Russia will see to that. :scared:

[natrat]

21. same goes for the scumball just following orders gi joes

and general custers

[charlie]

20. The turmoil in the energy markets

would probably put us out of business in short order.

[GreenPartyVoter]

22. Not on OUR watch!

[Hubert Flottz]

26. It don't look easy.

Iran Population: 68,017,860 (July 2005 est.)
Military manpower - availability: males age 18-49: 18,319,545 (2005 est.)
Area: total: 1.648 million sq km

Iraq Population: 26,074,906 (July 2005 est.)
Military manpower - availability: males age 18-49: 5,870,640 (2005 est.)
Area: total: 437,072 sq km

http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ir.html

Our military is still not finished fighting in Iraq, because they still have too few boots on the ground to garrison and manage the resistance there. Area 437,072 sq km

How can bushco expect to continue with the troop levels now deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan and still invade, defeat and occupy Iran? Area 1.648 million sq km

The neonuts either plan to crank up the draft boards, or nuke Iran! I think that if Bushco invades Iran it will be like Hitler's taking of Poland in 1939. I think Russia and China may well come to the aid Iran. Bush relieving generals like he has been doing, leads me to believe that some top military minds in this country do not agree with the grand plan. We all see how the plan in Iraq went and you can bet the Chinese and Russians saw it all play out too.

The GOPers that fight with their Rambo mouths instead of their pampered candy a$$es, might not end up with any other choice but to fight in a real war. Perhaps right here on their own turf, if General Bonsai Bush pushes the issue any more in Iran. Texas Chainsaw Diplomacy is really never a purdy sight! The nuke em now and let Gawd sort em out later crew and their fuzzy intelligence tricks are running on fumes IMHO.

[Dan]

31. You misunderstand....

Iran is not the problem.... it is the relationship between Iran and China that should make your butt cheeks tighten!

[wli]

32. the Shanghai Cooperation Organization would retaliate

This includes Russia, China, numerous former Soviet Republics, and various observers (including Iran).

[Ladyhawk]

33. If there are airstrikes, I wouldn't be surprised if Iran invaded Iraq.

We're already losing the war in Iraq and if Chimpy tries a "simple" airstrike to look tough, he may find out he bit off more than he can chew.