Cindy's husband and other chidlren? -- Where are they?

[neonplaque]

I'm getting beat up BAD by some rethugs over the fact that the only statement from any other family members (that I've seen) has been the negative letter from the Inlaws.

I saw in an interview Cindy said her husband and family support her 100% -- but unless we have an actual statement from them, and not hearsay, it looks bad for Cindy.

So unless I've missed it -- Where is the statement / support from her immmediate family?

:(

[Cleita]

1. Her sister is there with her, but you don't see her

out there either. I'm sure they are in the background supporting her, but it's better that the other family members don't have a high profile for the media to badger them. It would distract from her mission.

[neonplaque]

4. I understand-- but....

That letter from the inlaws needs to be countered. Husband and the kids need to issue a statement. :( Like I said, that's what the ditto heads are beating me up on... and I don't blame them.

[blondeatlast]

5. Why waste the time? If you are gonna go head to head in a non-biased room,

you better be able to think for yourself--and FAST.

[Cleita]

8. Why let them beat up on you?

Ask them why the two useless Bush twins haven't volunteered for the military? It seems the President's children should be more patriotic than anyone else and show a good example.

[Lars39]

12. Cindy has countered the "family" statement.

She reiterated that her kids and husband support her.
The godmother and inlaws are fundy RWers trying to stir something up.

[Zenlitened]

13. What letter from the in-laws? The one signed...

"Sincerely, Mother-in-law, Uncle and various Cousins"

Were there every any actual NAMES on that letter?

:shrug:

[Webster Green]

20. That's ridiculous!

Cindy has taken a stand, and has plenty of support. Its not unusual for family members to disagree on politics. This is a phony issue.

And, who gives a shit what the freepers think?

[bettyellen]

25. i'm calling utter bullshit ! she needs a hubby there to be legit enough?

what century are you living in?
all you men who never see sexism here, look now, and forever hold your peace.
ask your freep fucker friends to explain where osama and the WMD's are, why they had to commit treason to hide the fact that this war was planned long ago and sold with lies. why they defy the court and hide images of the prison abuse, the evidence is in, and it's their turn to explain to us.
that's cindy's point, they are on the defensive end at this point, the country is not buying the bushit anymore. they have expalining to do, not the soldier or the families, the asshats who have been running the show need to own up to what's been going on.

[Dora]

31. Absolutely.

[evilqueen]

55. Absolutely agree!

Quit attacking a mother, start attacking the jerks who lied this country into war against a sovereign nation.

That would be like China declaring war on Taiwan and fighting it in Oklahoma. Betcha if they looked, they'd find WMDs here, wouldn't they?

[Toots]

70. Why does it need to be countered?

Doesn't what she have to say stand on it's own merit? They wish to back the killing it is on their heads not Cindy's.

[GetTheRightVote]

2. Cindy is doing fine on her own, one very courageous mother over rules

all the rest of the crazy people who support a war based completely on lies. I believe Cindy when she states that her family supports her and that her son died serving his country. She is my hero and no right wing freeper can change that fact. But one mother's words and grief are enough for me to stand with her for I am a mother too.

:kick:

[blondeatlast]

3. Why let them frame it? I couldn't care less where her husband is,

or whether he supports her efforts or not.

Did we ask Rosa Parks where her kids and hubby were? Did anyone care?

As the famous graphic says: "Oh no, not this shit again.."

[Spock_is_Skeptical]

6. hear, hear!

[laura888]

22. Exactly! When someone starts asking these types of questions...

...just give them a blank stare and walk away.

Don't let them detract from the story.

[KyndCulture]

7. Cindy's husband, Pat, is working.

He's a salesman and he's already said he supports her 100%.

[NewInNewJ.]

9. Nothing looks bad for Cindy

She is a Mother who has lost her son for the worst of causes, a big'fat lie. Nobody, I mean nobody can speak for her or can tell us how she feels. I have read her husband and children support her, but who cares, personally, I deal with my children very differently then my husband does. He is more hard nosed about things then I am. So , who is right? A Mother, is A Mother is A Mother. I would never doubt her feelings and what she stands for.The only thing that looks bad for Cindy is the Almighty King of Crawford is a chicken shit and will not speak with her. I had rather he speak up , then her family members. How bout you?

[Patchuli]

14. "I had rather he speak up"

Meeeeeeee too!

[Patchuli]

10. Why do you poison your mind with negative freepism?

I agree with the other poster that this is about Cindy, the mother of a fallen soldier wanting some answers. She doesn't have to be qualified by the whole clan.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. Her family not speaking out publicly

to support her, looks bad ONLY in the FREEPERS delusional minds. Fuck them. If her family wishes to have privacy, it's none of their (freeper's) damn business. Just tell them to mind their own fucking business AFTER you hand them all Enlistment forms. :grr:

[neonplaque]

19. A simple WRITTEN statement would do...

They don't need to jump into the media circus.

[JaneGat]

27. Cindy's strong and she doesn't need props.

She's Casey's Mom - that's all that counts.

[RetroLounge]

61. Well, since it's not about you, get over it

She has the absolute moral authority to do this, and I don't see how you have the same to question her.

RL

[radwriter0555]

65. Silence equals consent.

They've chosen to stay away from it for their own personal reasons.

However, you can bet if they were opposed, they would say so.

[firefox]

15. It's always shoot the messenger and ignore themessage n/t

[yorkiemommie1]

16. i think she's doing fine on her own

it reflects the strength of her character and resolve, like a tree standing in a strong wind.

that said, her daughter has written a beautiful poem, and as another poster said, her sister is supportive and may be with her. I think I saw that in the film that another DU'er made.

i think there's something symbolic about a woman who faces all kinds of hostility now and in the future in taking this stand.

[GetTheRightVote]

17. perhaps I step to far, but a mother defending her son's honorable ways

Expecting the same in return by his commander in chief, who has failed him.

:kick:

[Dora]

18. It's misogynistic to say she needs the support of the rest of the family

That idea is at its heart anti-mother and anti-woman. It's poisonous and filled with hatred.

What, so a mother's loss isn't valid UNLESS she has the endorsement of the entire family?

Bullshit. Go tell that to YOUR mother.

[neonplaque]

23. I can't ..

cause she's dead...

I understand what you are saying... but I just don't like this "the family doesn't support her" from the inlaws email. It needs to be countered and it needs to be something as simple as a written email or statement. No media circus required.

In fact, I know I read another DU thread that claimed Cindy said her husband would be having more to say (statement?) soon.

[Dora]

28. You don't have to like or dislike anything.

It's irrelevant.

If I recall correctly, Cindy has given it a shrug - that's enough for me. As well, the woman who wrote the email was not a close or intimate relative, and there has been a history of political differences between Cindy and that side of the family.

Freepers will get their panties in a twist about ANYTHING. Don't waste your time.

[shraby]

38. Many times a family doesn't support a member

but that doesn't mean the non-supported member is wrong. In this case her immediate family DOES support her so that makes the job she feels she needs to do a little easier.
Remember, some people march to their own drummer...I do and the rest be danged. If they want to join, so be it but I will do what I think is right and proper. A loving husband will support but that isn't really necessary for a mother to plant her feet and say "NO MORE".
A lot of mothers and americans are finally planting their own feet in one spot and saying the same thing.

[bettyellen]

59. exactly, it's sad it's taken the women here to point that shit out.

my apologies to any man who did if i missed it.

[noamnety]

21. I don't get why it looks bad for Cindy

Does a proper wife need her husband's permission to speak?


Here's what you are looking for, but I would ask that question of your freeper friends before giving them the information, because their question doesn't make Cindy look bad; it makes them look sexist.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/03/20/INGIGBNC46129.DTL

[neonplaque]

24. It looks bad because...

unlike us, most of the country is not news an political junkies which will dig for info.

Most of the country is hearing "but her family has released a statement condemning her actions."

We are on the micro level here. The rest of the country only hears what has been pre-filtered for them.

[noamnety]

33. This isn't the impression I got from your OP

You said you were looking for the info because you were getting beaten up by republicans over this - that made it sound to me like they were news junkies keeping up to date on the situation.

Anyhow, I've provided a link which should end the discussion.

[neonplaque]

43. Thank you...

found your link and the article was most helpful!

[neonplaque]

35. Sexist. :)

Good angle

[bettyellen]

51. it's not an angle, it's a fact.

and it's sad you bought into it.
but it happens here all the time.

[neonplaque]

54. the problem is with the 'sexist' statement

the freeper debate is with a FEMALE.

I did throw in the 'sexist' statemnet. She through back at me that the father has just as much of a right to have an opinion on the subject of his son's death as the mother...

But I've pretty much figured this arguement out ... so thanks all for your help.

[bettyellen]

56. it doesn't matter who said it, every segment has sellout traitors....

look at judge thomas and ann coulter for fucks sake. more sexist bullshit.
if the husband ain't there he ain't there. she's the one making the sacrifice being there. why are you looking over her shoulder for a man or kids? insulting sexist bullshit.

[seabeyond]

26. as a mom do you think i would care squat what anyone else had

to say about my son. and my love and feeling for my son. i dont care a bit about anyone else. this is moms position. end of story

[SammyWinstonJack]

29. What looks bad is people trying to water down her

message, which is, she doesn't want bush to use the death of her son, which he brought on, to perpetuate his never ending war for profit!

[Sapphire Blue]

30. Is this speaking loud enough?

*CARLY'S POEM*
A Nation Rocked to sleep

Have you ever heard the sound of a mother screaming for her son?
The torrential rains of a mother's weeping will never be done
They call him a hero, you should be glad that he's one, but
Have you ever heard the sound of a mother screaming for her son?

Have you ever heard the sound of a father holding back his cries?
He must be brave because his boy died for another man's lies
The only grief he allows himself are long, deep sighs
Have you ever heard the sound of a father holding back his cries?

Have you ever heard the sound of taps played at your brother's grave?
They say that he died so that the flag will continue to wave
But I believe he died because they had oil to save
Have you ever heard the sound of taps played at your brother's grave?

Have you ever heard the sound of a nation being rocked to sleep?
The leaders want to keep you numb so the pain won't be so deep
But if we the people let them continue another mother will weep
Have you ever heard the sound of a nation being rocked to sleep?

http://www.angelfire.com/sk3/spkhntrca/Casey.html

[Bozita]

32. What do Neil and Marvin think about their brother ignoring Cindy?

Also need to know the whereabouts and feelings of Jenna and Barbara.

[neonplaque]

34. Okay then, answer this freeper for me

In my response to this freeper (not on the normal freep site)--

They said:

“When was Cindy’s family going to make a statement? I thought she said the family did everything together. Where are they?”

And I said:

I don’t konw where they are but it doesn’t really matter does it? Her mission is not about what her husband or other children or inlaws think.


And the reply back was:


"And at this point I believe it does. She is taking the death of her son and turning it into a political battle. She is referring to people as “righties” etc. Yes, I would like to see her family out there with her. I think there is a reason they are staying away. And I don’t believe for a moment Casey was misled by anyone. I think she is using it as an excuse.

[noamnety]

39. They're misinterpreting her actions

She is taking the death of her son and turning it into a political battle.

No, she is asking that Bush stop using the death of her son as a political chip.

[NewInNewJ.]

41. Why does anyone have to answer to these people?

She has lost her son, she has feeling that no one knows about, much less the freepers who shelter their children from going to war. They are grasping at straws. They have no heart or feeling about a woman who has gone thru hell and has the guts to stand up against the rightwing, stand by the flag know it all, brownshirts, to even imagine
the hurt and heart break that she has gone thru. Why do you even care what people like this think? Much less to talk with them?

[Zenlitened]

42. Ask him to name the Sheehan family members who oppose Cindy.

How many names can he come up with?

The letter is attributed to "Casey Sheehan’s grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins."

( http://www.sacunion.com/pages/sacramento/articles/5895 )

Sent in an e-mail signed by Casey's aunt Cherie Quartarolo.

( http://www.timesheraldonline.com/ci_2940880 )

Maybe your freeper acquaintance could track down those "grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins" and verify that they actually exist and agree with Quartarolo's claim.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

44. 'Can you name any of the family members who disapprove of Cindy's

actions?'

'What relation do they have to her son Casey?'

[bettyellen]

60. the american people believe they were misled.....

and cindy is giving them a voice. she doesn't need a stinking excuse to speak her mind.

[dalaigh lllama]

36. How to point out the stupidity of that argument to your tormentors

Just ask them:

"Is there a written statement from Mrs. O'Reilly supporting him?"

The not-so-subtle idea that somehow a woman cannot make a political statement without her husband's written endorsement is so ...
repuke-ish!

[pinto]

37. I suspect Cindy can speak for herself. I'm OK with leaving it at that. n/t

[emdee]

40. I would imagine that the kids have school and the husband works

In an interview on the day that the letter was published, she said that her husband called her and told her that he and the kids were behind her.

BUT, this is a deflection tool from the Right. It's a non-issue. SHE is there and wants answers. Period. She doesn't have to explain what her anonymous relatives claim - based on a Drudge report. Who made the rule that if Drudge could drudge up long lost relatives who want their 15 minutes of fame, then Ms. Sheehan has to answer for it? That's a dumb rule whoever made it.

IMO,
emdee:)

[emdee]

48. But as a good answer.....

Just say "Ms. Sheehan is an of-age, voting, taxpaying, peaceful citizen and doesn't need a note from home." How 'bout that?
emdee

[Name removed]

64. Deleted message

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[emdee]

67. Deflection...

you won't find any of them discussing the Downing Street Memo or Sheehan's concerns over lies told by the Bush administration.

If her family is falling apart (which I don't believe), it's no one's business. I would imagine that many families do fall apart after the loss of a loved one.

emdee

[JanMichael]

45. Oh good lord

how does this "look bad for Cindy?"

Geeezzz...sorry, the Brady Bunch isn't out there providing you with a Norman Rockwell moment to make you go all warm, fuzzy and American.

Honestly-

[Bozita]

46. Perhaps in the future, American women will need their husbands' permission

... to speak out.

[Junkdrawer]

Alerted

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

49. Someone had to say it, heh.

[neonplaque]

52. what does this mean? "alerted"?

[bettyellen]

57. it means you're repeating easily refuted RW talking points....

as well as sexist crap, and that's not too welcome here.

[Lars39]

47. Here's a quote from Cindy you can use:

"Why do the right wing media so assiduously scrutinize the words of a grief filled mother and ignore the words of a lying president?"

[pnorman]

50. As pointed out elsewhere on this thread,

as the MOTHER of Casey, she doesn't need any further validation. However, you'll never get that through thick-headed SHEEP, so it calls for an answer. Below is what I posted on my union BBS on that topic:

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
All In The Family --- more background on Cindy Sheehan's relatives by marriage:

>
>
There is an e-mail that purports to be from members of your family that denounces your presence there in Crawford. It was sent to a right-wing Web site. Is there any truth in it? Are there members of your family who are upset with what you're doing there?

SHEEHAN: There's members of my—they're my in-laws. And we have always been politically on the opposite sides of the fence. And we always kind of did it good-naturedly. You know, my father-in-law would call me Meathead and I would call him Archie, and we would just fight about politics all the time.

But you know what? When they supported George Bush in November, and when they voted for the man who I consider killed their grandson, that's when—that was it. That, to me, was a betrayal of Casey, and it hurt me so deeply. I haven't spoken to them since.

And our family, Casey's dad and my other three children, are 100 percent behind me and agree with me philosophically about what's going on. I just talked to my husband, and he said, he said, Cindy, you know I've always supported you philosophically. I know George Bush did the wrong thing, and I had nothing to do with what my sister wrote.
>
>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925175/

pnorman

[teach1st]

53. Republicans hate the nuclear family

They're always trying to weaken its bonds for political gains.

First Shiavo, now Sheehan.

Have they no shame?

[NewInNewJ.]

58. This makes me so damn mad.

No matter what the freepers are gonna put down anyone that has a different opinion then theirs. Well, you know what? They are wrong, Cindy has to validate her self to no one. I would love to know the number of those that question her, that have family in Iraq. I would love to know the number of those who have lost a son in Iraq, and would ask after their loss, what does your Mother in Law, your father-in-law, your sisters and etc feel about losing your son to a useless war have to say? Until I know the answers to their feelings, I will not know the whole story. I have to know their feelings before I can really believe you.

[neonplaque]

62. I FEEL FOR IT

Just sent this to the admins for them to modify the lead post of this thread. Thanks everyone for helping me see this in the proper light and not be tricked into thinking I needed to defend a non-issue. :)


------------
Edit:


I feel for it. I feel into the trap of the freeper that claimed there was something "wrong" with Cindy's position if her husband and rest of the immediate family were not being vocal in support of her.

1) As the MOTHER of Casey, Cindy does not need her position vidicated by anyone.

2) To suggest she needs her husbands support is sexist.


Don't fall for the freepers! :(

[bettyellen]

63. thanks for snapping out of it.

some men just refuse to see the light, no matter how many of us flip the damned switch.
non issue, you got it now.

[neonplaque]

66. I Got Censored!!!

I posted a link to Cindy's TV advert and the freeper removed it! :wtf:

I enjoy rational and tempered debate, but my god, censoring Cindy's public address is just so so wrong!!! :grr: These people have their heads so far up thier ass I'm surprised they haven't died of suffication yet!

[G_j]

68. when Cindy spoke at a peace rally in our town

her husband was there with her on stage.

[mondo joe]

69. You're wrong. That's letting them frame the issue. She doesn't need any

statement.