Need rebuttals: "Liberals are naiive about how the world operates"

[steve2470]

I haven't heard that one in a while but I know it's out there. They're usually talking about foreign affairs matters when that's stated.

Addendum: I think this shit applies when they are arguing for an overly muscular military, a CIA that kills foreign leaders, and a "dog eat dog" view of world affairs.

[Fire Walk With Me]

1. Torture hasn't been official policy for hundreds of years. Thanks.

Neither has ignoring intelligence reports saying "Bin Laden determined to strike in US" and Atta connected to Al Queda.

If 9/11 is your version of running the country, please go away now.

[rateyes]

2. Couldn't have said it better myself! So I won't. eom

[Fire Walk With Me]

6. Thanks for the kindness!

[rateyes]

11. As the old saying goes...

arguing with a freeptard is "fighting a battle of wits with an unarmed person." There's no fun in that.

[Fire Walk With Me]

15. Are you speaking of the overall subject as being moot, or thinking

that I'm from FR?

Should have used :sarcasm: in my post.

[rateyes]

No, I'm right with you...

the OP was about rebuttals to some freeptard making a freeptard argument...it was a further compliment. :yourock:

Edit to add: I just think it's a waste of time arguing with people who make statements like "Liberals don't understand how the world operates...or some other such nonsense."

[Fire Walk With Me]

33. True that.

[leesa]

3. Like the wisdom of bombing innocent Iraqis and not expecting a response??

[bahrbearian]

4. We all know the the world operates in Strange and Mysteries ways.

S/P again

[LoZoccolo]

5. Who cares if they say this?

It's one of those deliberately fuzzy statements that you'll be arguing about for hours. You'll notice that a lot of their arguments aren't to convince you so much as to stall you.

[jsamuel]

7. There's a difference between being naive and caring enough to do something

about it!

They want to give up, but that is the EASY WAY OUT that just puts them in a place of hate and death!

[YOY]

8. Heh...that really funny

Several years living abroad, a masters in International Development, and several languages later I love being told I'm wrong by some douche that has never left US borders.

Ignorance...blatant ignorance. When I take advice on the state of international relations from some dipstick who has never even lived lived in an Islamic society let alone read the Koran. Especially those who do not merit the changing of the nature of FR in the post-cold war era and using 9/11 as an excuse to revert to some twisted corporate form of imperialism.

[The Backlash Cometh]

9. They're absolutely right.

What they're trying to tell you is the underhanded wink, wink, nudge, nudge agreements between individuals is common. That lying to the public is for their own good, etc.

When I finally got through to an old time Republican and convinced him that Bush was headed for a downfall, his response was, "Okay, we did some horrible things, but our horrible things aren't as bad as their horrible things." He was promoting the annihiliation of the muslims in Africa.

Now that the Repub's backs are to the wall, the truth of their prejudices come out. And that's what pisses me off the most about the Democrats. That they allowed Republicans to frame the issues for so many years, that they never got passed the smoke and mirrors. It took the blogosphere to get to the truth.

[Cats Against Frist]

17. I don't know how I could disagree with you, so vehemently,

on the libertarian thread, and agree with you, so whole-heartedly, on this one, but I do. :hi:

The only thing that I see, though, is that the prejudices are not really "out," per se, and that the Dems are still doing a piss-poor job of cutting through the "smoke and mirrors." Partially, because they belong to the same team, and partially because they have no balls. Only a few, like Boxer and Conyers, repeatedly stand up -- the people with national recognition are as beholden to their corporate donors as your worst Republican.

[The Backlash Cometh]

36. You know how I know that the Democrats are clueless?

Because they wasted too much time, playing by the rules. If they knew the Republicans were cheating, they would have realized that playing by the rules would have only guaranteed that they would come up losing - every time. The fact that Gore stopped the recounts because it was "the right thing to do for the best of the nation," and that Kerry didn't launch his extraordinary band of volunteer lawyers into Ohio loudly and with conviction, it means that the Democrats were still playing by the old rules of engagement, and the Republicans counted on them to do it. You understand what I'm saying? Rove knew exactly what was going to happen each time he launched a political tactic because the Democrats always respond in a predictable manner. It's as if they thought that in this country, playing fair is still a quality of good character. Americans talk about good character, but what they really want is a winner.

Now, the only argument that I would accept to counter that is that the Democrats KNOW that the Republicans are corrupt and criminal, and thus, are afraid to go too far. If you want to bring up the anthrax powder and Wellstone, well, then I just might wonder why anybody would bother to play such a futile role. I'd probably just get up and walk out in protest to accentuate the problem.

[bemildred]

10. Rebut what? There is no argument here. It's just self-serving horseshit.

If you want a response, tell him conservatives are irrational loons.
:puke:

[Nite Owl]

12. They have had it their way

it isn't working. They need to go repeat kindergarden and learn how to get along with others.

[ThomWV]

13. Actually Just The Opposite Is True

You might try this for a rebuttal:

It is the more realistic view of the world that an understanding of, and tolerance for differences, the guiding principal of us Democrats, that by any reasonable standard would be called the more mature, not the naive view.

It is the limited view of the fringe right wing that is naive. Indeed it presupposes that many obstacles are insurmountable and as a consequence change toward a more liberally oriented society is impossible. I could not imagine a more naive view that that.

How's that work for you?

Edited for a bit of clairity.

[steve2470]

14. That was damn good. Need to copy that.

Too bad none of the RW nutjobs on the radio would let you finish that statement in toto.

[Guaranteed]

21. Very well put.

Much more sophisticated than my response. :)

[shugah]

16. liberals are not naive about how the world "operates"

they are also not content with status quo. just because something has "always been that way" doesn't make it right, doesn't mean there is no room for improvement, doesn't mean that change is bad.

if i heard such a criticism, i would point out that it is conservatives that are naive - and then ask whichever narrow minded person who was making the statement some questions about "the world." not foreign affairs, mind - but "THE WORLD." 9 times out of 10 your verbal sparring partner will reveal how little they know about life outside the US, at which point you can sadly shake your head and look at them with a sad, but knowing gaze. (usually let them keep talking too, because that is often good for a laugh ;-) )

[longship]

18. Right!!

Aren't these the same people who think that the universe is under 10,000 years old and that dinosaurs lived contemporaniously with humans?

And liberals don't know how the earth works?

:spray: :rofl:

[steve2470]

23. Excellent points !!!! nt

[riverwalker]

19. ask if he has a passport

because the only people I've run into who say that, never leave suburbia, except for the occasional daring trip to Disneyland.

[Guaranteed]

20. LOL READ THE SIG you STUPID NEOCON FUCKS.

You're living in a fantasy world.

YOU DON'T...PICK...FIGHTS.

When drawn into one, you finish it. But you don't start shit.

Just a little friendly advice to our brilliantly "street-wise" neocon neighbors.

[Midlodemocrat]

22. How about

conservatives are selfish about how the world operates?

[steve2470]

24. also true ! nt

[Faygo Kid]

25. Mention Harry Truman - he would have told them to kiss it.

I know of a quote - you can look it up - about how if you're not liberal, you are on the wrong side of history. Wouldn't you love to see Truman - the WWI vet - comment on GWB? Wish we had a Dem to do that now.

[karlrschneider]

26. We know very well how the world works, we just admit that how it works

SUCKS...
:grr:

[kentuck]

27. But you have to fight the war to win the peace....

Don't you know? And there's always another war, and another, and another...with this mindset. It is irrational. And definitely should never be the dominating thought in our nation. It is dangerous and should be fought with every fiber in our bodies...

[misanthrope]

28. Some are, some aren't...

...same with conservatives and moderates.

[Union Thug]

29. Right. Talking snakes, 10,000 year old earth, devils, super-ghosts...

Who's naive?

[steve2470]

30. LOL good points nt

[LiberalAndProud]

31. Liberals concieve of a better world.

Can you not envision it?

WHY NOT?

[greekspeak]

32. "Liberals are naiive about how the world operates"

HA. This coming from a group who promotes Intellegent Design as a hard science. And WE are ignorant about how the world operates?

To be a little less tongue in cheek, if the founders of America had just given up and accepted the status quo, there would never have been an independant America. Liberals work to change the world to make it a better place. Conservatives want to make sure the world stays the same or retrogresses.

[roguevalley]

34. ask them if they know about nuke iran. that should take care of that

shit.

[tandot]

35. I agree! We are stupid not to believe that the world was created in 6 days

...that creationism is science (who can ever doubt anything that the Bible says???)...that we have an unlimited supply of oil...that global warming is some BS made up by some liberal tree huggers...that Jesus hates gays, Muslims, and Democrats...and finally, that Bush actually has a brain and that he is the smartest man on earth...


All those freeptards, most of whom never even completed high school...those ignorant, inbred assholes who get their "facts" from Rush, O'Reilly, and the Bush propaganda team (e.g., Bush Gestapo), yeah...they really know what is going on! :sarcasm: