ALL TEXAS REDNECKS INVITED TO COME SHOOTING ON MATLAGE'S LAND???

[DistressedAmerican]

THIS IS BAD STUFF! What should we be doing here folks?

We gotta get folks on this ASAP.

It is on the audio Link in the first thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4347367&mesg_id=4347367


Direct link:
http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=mattlage1

Check it out!!!

Some specifics and quotes if you can't listen (Ok, Not a full transcription and full of typos. But it is very close...):

Inviting All Rednecks to COME ONE DOWN AND JOIN HIM IN SHOOTING ON HIS LAND!!!

THIS IS BAD BAD BAD!!!

(asked "Well, you know this road is going to be shut down")

"This area's tired of this party and we gonna start doin' our war and we're gonna do it under the law. But, we are gonna do what ever it takes."

So, y'all go find some other place to do what you ever do. 'cuz this is our front yard and back yard."

(Asked if he means the protesters "y'all? You mean the protesters?)

"I'm talking this whole damn country. Our neighbors and friends and this is our country."

"And if this group says they are so much in Jesus and neighbor rights and all they pretend to be, why don't they show it? You gotta it you gotta live Jesus christ and this is not Jesus christ, I see."

(approached by an ABC reporter - Miguel? Garcia tried calling yesterday)

"Well, I wanna get on letterman! I wanna get on John Leno(??? yes he says actually says John)!"

"And this is a joke out here. Y'all done yer rights. and I believe in your cause. this ain't about Democrat this ain't about republicans. This is about my rights and these people's rights as American citizens who live here. You done your thing you done your show now move on."

"I don't like the war anymore than anybody else!"

"If everybody will leave right now they go home as winners and George Bush can enjoy his vacation like everybody else."

"I want the whole world to know what this group is doing. The started out doing right. Now they're doing wrong. when they first got here I understood the cause and I appreciated it"

"Everybody here is sick of it."

Complains about "wading through all these people."

"What this is is a war of porta potties."

"The war where the most porta potties is gonna win."

"Ya'll got started out going to the bathroom in a 5 gallon bucket and now I see three porta potties. How many more porta potties are you gonna put up here? And George Bush has more porta potties so if I was a betting man I'd say, he's gonna win."


"So, let's not make this any more ridiculous than it already is."

(Confirmed firing shotgun repeatedly into the air. Two shots.)

Complains about protesters messing up dove hunting that begins in September.

"We been on the land for 125 years and this group ain't running us out."

"I got a right. I got a right to fire up in the air."

"So, If you would all leave this whole community would be behind ya."

Asked name and acreage he owns. Responds that it does not matter. but he pays taxes to the middle of the road and mows it. I assume this includes the "ditch"

"This group is like frosty the Snowman here. It's gonna melt and it'll be back another day. and we're just waiting for it to melt."

"we got one group over there that won't give up and one group over there that won't give up and we're caught in the middle. Do you Understand"

"This ain't New York. This ain't California and it ain't Washington and I'm not political. I'm just a tax paying citizen that wants my rights. and that's all I've got to say "

"And I will be shooting all night long. If anyone stays they better get ready for some gun fire. And if we don't get anything, I want every redneck in Texas to come on my property her and we're really gonna have a show."
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Threatens to continue shooting ALL NIGHT

Invites every redneck in the state to come shooting as well

BAD SHIT!!!

Starting to look more like the civil rights movement by the minute!

[iconoclastic cat]

1. You know, I had a feeling that one of the nuts would start something.

And here one goes, right on schedule.

[merh]

4. Why didn't the Secret Service arrest him or at least take him

in for further questioning?

:shrug:

[Soup Bean]

5. He just sounds like one of the old fellows down at the store.

He just wants everybody off his property, and he's an old asshole. I see it every day. He's not dangerous, and he even said he "didn't like George" and that he was non-political. However, when he invited "every redneck in Texas" to go shooting on his property, he may have called down more than he wants. The really dangerous crazies could start coming out now.

I'd say his wife is mortified.

[Just Me]

120. THE COMPLETE ABSENCE OF "PERSPECTIVE" IS AWFUL!!!

I wish this thread would be banished and disappeared!!!! It's just as fucking divisive as the Rove machine and I STRONGLY OPPOSE DIVISIVE HATE-MONGERING!!! :grr:

Stop this insanity!!!! STOP IT!!!! JUST FREAKIN' STOP THIS REACTIONARY BULLSHIT!!!!

[Roy]

135. Yep, I think you should!

[Roland99]

2. Was he saying "you gotta do this for Jesus Christ"????

[DoYouEverWonder]

3. Notify Law Enforcement

It is against the law to threaten to kill another person. The people who make these threats needs to be put in jail ASAP.

[Clark2008]

6. Not that I agree with violence, but the guy is correct in that

people shouldn't be trapsing around on his lawn. I wouldn't want that and no one else would, either. I do feel sorry for the people who have to live near the Shrub because you can't blame Americans for wanting to protest the BushCo. illegal war in front of Shrub's house.

Maybe Mr. Matlage and his friends need to run the Shrubs out of town instead of the troop supporters.

That said, he sounds like he needs some edjamakashun. :crazy:

[uncle ray]

16. nobody's is on his "lawn"

he's rantin and ravin about paying taxes to the middle of this road, camp casey is in the ditch, the public right of way of the road. he can cut the grass all he wants, but that doesn't give him the right to do anything but piss and moan about it.

when asked about his frontyard and back yard, he said "this whole country"

[confludemocrat]

25. Latter day descendant of the murderers of Mississippi n/t

[DistressedAmerican]

33. That is my interpretation as well. I have listened to it about 7 times

and it definitely sounds like the ditch is his deal. County land. Free speech zone now!

Sorry.

We'll leave when shrub does and not a day sooner.

Let's just hope Cindy's are taking this seriously. Some security may be needed in the not too distant future.

Right also that Bush should be driven out. He has made this man's life a hell just by moving threre. His family was there 120 years before this disaster befell them. Tough folks indeed.


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Mr. Mattlage,

Your snowman analogy is a bit off. We will not melt away. We'll just get out of your ditch. We are an avalanche that is going to sweep every corner of the country.

Someday you will have a national historic marker and your house will be added to the rgister of national historic places. Be proud of these brave folks and bring them some water and TP!

DA

[Clark2008]

94. It's hard to tell from the pictures and I haven't seen this video

I just listened to the audio, so you may well be correct.

However, I still contend it's probably nerve-wracking for the neighbors, which is why they need to get rid of Shrub - not the troop supporters.

ON EDIT: Just found out that he profitted from being Bush's neighbor. My sympathy for his being a home-owner there is now gone:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4350256&mesg_id=4350651

[DistressedAmerican]

117. Yeah, Poor Larry! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Mizmoon]

115. I agree - it must be very vexing to have such a crowd

by your property. People on ranches tend to like solitude too.

I don't condone his actions, or his attitude, but I can understand why this man might be agitated.

[Occulus]

131. His property rights end at his property line.

Sorry. His actions are inexcusable and a direct threat to the first amendment rights of the nation he supposedly loves. He does NOT NOT NOT get a pass from me.

[libertypirate]

7. Are you kidding me...

One guy shooting off a gun brought the secret service and the cops... If that happens they will have a small army showing up.

[Sgent]

9. What army

they're all in Iraq

[Vinca]

8. I'm VERY worried for you guys. Call the cops!!!!!

This guy seems to be more than your average nutball. The threats alone should be enough to haul is behind to jail for a few hours and lock up his weapons indefinitely. If law enforcement doesn't do something they're being extremely reckless and negligent. (And I'm saying this as a former cop.) Stay safe.

[Generic Other]

10. Is he on KING OF THE HILL?

Is that Boomhauer? Did he say "Y'all are messing up my duck hunt?"

[Clark2008]

13. Dove hunting.

I don't think duck season is until the fall.

:)

[Generic Other]

19. DOVE HUNTING???

Meaning peaceniks? He's a psycho!! Put him in a straight jacket now!!

[Clark2008]

24. Noooo... actual DOVES, birds... not peaceniks.

Dove-hunting season actually starts in September, but I believe you can hunt the bird on your own property, year-round.

[Generic Other]

40. The way he was talking...you never know who he was planning on shooting!

Didn't he say he was gonna be shooting all night?

That sounds like intimidation if you ask me.

[DistressedAmerican]

49. And if we don't get anything, I want every redneck in Texas to come on my

property here and we're really gonna have a show."

Just what is he supposed to be "getting"?

No doves until September! Remember that.

What is he planning to bag?

[Generic Other]

50. He's on CNN right now! After the cbreak that is. 1:19 pm PST

I am taping it.

[DistressedAmerican]

52. Ready and Recording Myself.

Thanks for cluing me in.

[Generic Other]

53. They need to use subtitles with that guy!

I don't understand Texas! Did he "sumabitch"?

:shrug:

[DistressedAmerican]

54. Holy Cow! What A Rant!

Didn't mention inviting all the rednecks in Texas to come shooting on his land this time.

Make sure everyone gets the link for the audio!!!

[Scout1071]

80. What goes up, must come down. The police better stop this action

immediately for fear that he could accidentally kill someone. If he fires in the air but over near the area of the protesters, a bullet could easily fall and hit someone in the crowd.

[Carni]

99. That old fart doesn't look capable of hitting the backside of a barn

How appropriate that bush bought into a neighborhood filled with inbred morans such as himself!

[DistressedAmerican]

102. Don't You Believe It. These Old Country Coots Have Killed More Than

our war in Iraq!

Sometimes they do not get even get convicted of killing Northerners registering blacks in the south for 40 yeears. I'd hate my family to have to deal with that.

This behavior is unacceptable and the whole world knows it!

[Carni]

I agree with you that he is inappropriate and should be disciplined

Arrested, charged with something and whatever (that goes without saying because the man is an asshole)

I don't believe however that clowns like him are not half the threat that they fancy themselves to be in this day and age.

Big morons like him have loud mouths and seek attention but if someone was to get back in his face he would probably run and hide
(or sue)

I guess what I am trying to say is I hope the people at camp Casey are not intimidated by that jack ass.

[DistressedAmerican]

109. Go Have Yourself A Read Of Free Republic And That Other One. I Have.

Those folks have grabbed right onto this guy's action and are cheering others to go shooting as well. Some are openly calling for us to be shot.

This stuff has implications beyond this asshat and the country property near his homestead.

Freeps can be dangerous and when a crack pot like this gun nut start inciting them to come shooting, they may well take him up on it.

[DistressedAmerican]

116. Here's An Example From Our Own Front And Back Yard!

cindy sheehan needs to leave the bush ranch immediatly.it is private property and she is tresspassing.bush should use military sources to have her removed.she should be surrounded by tanks and soldiers armed with m16's and removed by force.SHE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A PAWN OF THE VERMINOUS RABID MAD DOG RADICAL LEFT ANTI WAR,ANTI AMERICAN,ANTI FAMILY COMMUNIST MOVEMENT.how do you like that?you insane liberals you psychotic suicidal fools.WE HAVE HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH YOUR AMERICA BASHING PROPAGANDA.you have been trying to push this country over the cliffs of insanity for years.but we are not gonna let you push this country over the cliff.we the peaple who spoke in november and sent john kerrys extra long face of failure and defeat packing back to the liberal cesspool you call boston.we will rise up and put a stop to your demolition and pollution of america.and TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE ACLU that use to courts to break the will of the peaple will be broken under rico statutes there assets seized and the vermin jailed and deported.and cindy sheehan will be in a cell with them for life in a prison much worse than theISLAMIC RESORT CAMP GITMO WHERE MUSLIM TERRORIST WHO CARRY A KORAN IN ONE ARM AND A RUSTY BLOODY KNIFE IN THE OTHER are not mistreated or tortured like you vermin claim.but dont worry we will put you filthy rats in a rat infested cell so you can be with your own kind until you can turn yourselves into human beings.


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You can't have a drunk gun nut inciting freaks like this to be intimidating folks with guns. That will get someone killed.

[xray s]

Not Boomhauer. Hank's old man.

Dale is cool...

[Generic Other]

18. You're right!

I forgot about him.

[RagAss]

11. Be Careful...This clown is no Max Yasgur !!!!

n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

12. I guess that would leave me out. :-)

But this guy is an old crazy man. He thinks there's a war brewing on both sides of his land and he's stuck in the middle of it. :crazy:

[Cleita]

14. Does anyone have a camera or video cam. Really, there

should be someone there recording all this if anything tragic should happen. Unfortunately, you can't stop them from being jackasses as dangerous as it is. The only other thing you can do is advise the sheriff that it will be his fault if anyone is injured or killed in your camp if he doesn't rein those hot headed bullies in.

[Divernan]

15. Sounds like the redneck Alabama neighbor I had in Cape Canaveral.

The first sentence their kids learned was :"Git off mah propity!"
I'm talking like at age 2, shouted at one of my toddlers when he went over to retrieve a ball. Appropriately enough, the kid's name was Archie (years before Archie Bunker hit the airwaves).

[Cleita]

20. When I lived in Texas, I took some pictures of horses

over the fence on the ranch of one of our neighbors. When I showed the pictures to the woman, whose property we were camped on, she got all flustered and said, "You didn't go on ***'s property did you? He will shoot you first if you do." I assured her it was over the fence, but I guess that's how they do things in Texas. You can shoot anyone who trespasses it seems.

[Horse with no Name]

30. You can

I believe the law states if anyone is a threat to you OR your property you can use deadly force.

[Lefty48197]

17. I can't imagine the Secret Service would allow guns anywhere near GWB

He can't handle bikes, scooters, pavement, or walking. They don't want weapons anywhere near him.

[mnhtnbb]

21. Mattlage is right

These redneck towns/counties that have gun rights and property rights
make Mattlage legally correct that he can shoot on his land (as long as he's not threatening bodily harm to anyone) anytime he wants.

This is a BIG mess. He's made it very clear in the tape that he's just practicing for upcoming dove hunting season. I don't think there's anything the sheriff can do to stop him--other than to make sure he's
not shooting in the direction of people.

However, if a bunch of rednecks respond to his invitation and they start taking shots at Camp Casey in the middle of the night, then he's going to be held liable as the property owner if anyone is hurt.

He's right about operating "under the law". But he might have just opened up a tremendous liability for himself if he's joined by rednecks who don't give a damn about breakin' the law or hurting protesters.

Sounds to me like the Camp Casey folks who are there at night may want to think about getting some night vision goggles and posting a sentry to keep watch, or possibly moving into town for the night.

[frictionlessO]

27. Uhmm actually hes going to be a lot more than "liable" in court if any

protester is wounded or killed.

There are countless nuts on this side of the fence that will consider it an act of civil war and will respond in kind.

I know this because I have advised many people that violence only begets violence, in this kind of a matter they can count on the same happening to them as well.

So while Mattlage has every right to do what he is doing he is completely ignorant of the very VERY serious consequences of his actions.

[jfalchion]

31. typical

"So while Mattlage has every right to do what he is doing he is completely ignorant of the very VERY serious consequences of his actions.

[frictionlessO]

56. How so?

Typical, that is?

[Occulus]

133. I wonder if the company that provides his home or property insurance

is aware of his statements.

Just a thought.

[zalinda]

22. Maybe he just feels left out

Did anyone invite him to the party?

zalinda

[carpetbagger]

23. I thought at first you said "Matcom's land".

Don't be afraid of this guy. He's just talking the Texas swagger. I'm sure he knows that the quickest way to lose his land is to end up in jail with a nice big civil suit against him. Texas has some pretty solid homestead protection laws, but some of them become vacated if the land is used for the crime.

[Rex]

26. Let them!!!! By all means fellow Texans - go shoot your guns up thar.

Show the rest of us how IRONIC it is that a woman, who lost her son to violence, is about to be harassed by IDIOTS with GUNS.

Go, do it. Show the world you assholes!

[DistressedAmerican]

28. Ok editing time is expired. I got it as close to complete as possible.

I do not transcribe quickly. Blah.

Worth it though.

This is a bad sign. When local intimidation started during the civil rights movement this sort of "we are being invaded" mentality led to many senseless deaths.

We will need to be careful out there.

And this guy seems to be AGAINST the war.

Just think what the "We don't care!" chicken hawk crowd may be capable of...

[Generic Other]

43. You have a transcript?

POST A NEW THREAD!!

:hug:

[DistressedAmerican]

51. OP Is As Close As I Got. Let Me Fill It Out. I Will Post The Full Version

Shortly.

Although up top is very close.

Give me a little bit...

[GreenPartyVoter]

29. He sounded mostly upset about privacy and property in the snippet

I heard earlier

[dogday]

32. I am amazed that man even learned

how to discharge a weapon. I mean let's face it, this is an old country boy who don't know nothing, don't want to know nothing. I am not all that sure that he is alone in his efforts. There could be someone in the background calling the shots you know?

[bribri16]

34. Good, how many will get caught in the crossfire? n/t

[rateyes]

35. Why doesn't he call is neighbor, Bushboy...

if he believes in what they are doing, and ask him to meet with Cindy? As soon as she does, she's outta there.

[jim3775]

36. Is anyone else thinking "accidental discharge" and "Kent State II"? n/t

[Rex]

38. It will only serve to reinforce what most of the planet already knows

Americans are stupid assholes that love to shoot their guns and don't you ever challenge their believe system...cuz they will open up a can of whip ass onya! Tragic.

[Neshanic]

37. This smells of Rove. A friendly call, a favor asked of a neighbor.

He is "sympathetic" to an extent. What better way to garner sympathy for a distraught land owner than to have them kick up an ol' fuss about what's going on.

[jim3775]

39. New photos from the Iconoclast

[Rex]

41. Yup, dam city folk came in and causing a ruckus.

As much as I would like to say this is a Rove plant, I live in the "Heart of Texas" and this guy is just like most of my neighbors.

[Neshanic]

59. "guy is just like most of my neighbors"....who happens to have...

The most manipulative bastard that walked the face of the earth advising his master.

[DistressedAmerican]

44. Great! Thanks!

[Reciprocity]

79. Beer and firearms not a good combo.

You know in Texas it's against the law to have an open container of alcohol in your vehicle.

[Silverhair]

136. Only if you are on public property.

On private property you can have all the booze you want in your vehicle.

[AntiCoup2K4]

83. Cheap shitty beer and live ammo - always a great combination....

....fucking morons.

[icymist]

111. Keystone beer? Yuck! Buckshot? Yuck!

And a pitch fork! That's one authentic redneck alright.

[Freedomfried]

127. Jesus Christ people, he's a half drunk, big mouth, Texas dumbshit with

cheap beer, a Walmart shotgun, and the field his Grandpappy passed on to his worthless ass.

Theres a million and one of the stump-fuck dimwits in that state.

Tell him to join the protest or fuck off, but don't kiss his ass, that what he wants someone to do.

[DistressedAmerican]

128. He Just Moved there 5 or 6 years ago. He Said So On CNN

"125 years" was a reeference to the origianal Greman settlers in the ares. By that token "we" have been here (in my area) since the Dutch arrived!

More bullshit to try and justify his drunken beligerence.

[Freedomfried]

129. Thats about par for the course, he's full of beer and bullshit

See that fence Larry, thats your side, and this isn't.

Put the gun away or we'll tell the Sherrif you're pointing it at us and he'll take it away.

Larry wouldn't want to lose his macho toy, its his "identity"

[Occulus]

132. That's a combo waiting for a death to make it complete n/t

[DistressedAmerican]

42. NOW THAT THE OP IS COMPLETE PLEASE SEND AROUND TO MEDIA, ETC!!!

We should make sure this is widely reported. We have to stop this before it escalates.

Media pressure should definitely be applied here!

This is DANGEROUS! I firmly believe that it should be considered a potential life and death situation.

If local law enforcement and the Secret Service will not ensure our security, national media attention would really help!

I say that as someone what will be looking at the consequences myself next weekend. I have a family.

Lets hope it is not us and "every redneck in Texas" filling the air with lead!!!

[Rex]

45. They're about to talk to the moran on CNN

nt

[DistressedAmerican]

46. Turning it on!

[GoldenOldie]

47. Wonder if Rove has promised him a parcel of Georgie's pig ranch when

when Georgie no longer needs it for the photo-ops and he retires to the big city?.

[Bluebear]

48. "This is our country!", that's the Republican Christofascist in a nutshell

It's no longer everyone's country, just theirs.

As to Bush enjoying his vacation "like everyone else", he is NOT everyone else, you POS!

[GoldenOldie]

60. This guy would be laughable if what he is doing isn't deadly serious.

I sent the audio of this guys statement on to my sister-in-law. Her husband is an 80-year old Texas who is still working as a rancher/cowboy (rancher of cattle). Both of them come from 4-5th generation ranching families. He in Texas, Santa Rosa Island off California coast and she from Southern Arizona. They have been married for 40-years and have a 3,000 acre ranch near the Arizona, New Mexico border.

Listening to the video the accent is that of my brother-in-law and I found it amusing to hear similar Texan anecdotes.

The difference between these Texans is My brother-in-law detests George W. Bush. While my brother-in-law who single handed runs his ranch and only used hired hands during shipping seasons, carries a gun for self protection against drug runners only. His ranch lies within very mountainous areas and when he rides to check his cattle he must be wary of the drug runners and also mountain lions, bears, etc. Never, ever does he shoot into the air, as he knows that it has to come down somewhere and he would not want to be responsible for killing an illegal Mexican just crossing his ranch looking for work.

This idiot doesn't want to be disturbed by outsiders and he wants his neighbor to enjoy his vacation. His neighbor could have this group dispersed in a moment by just meeting with Cindy Sheehan. He isn't scared of Cindy, He just doesn't give a shit about Cindy, her son or his neighbors.

Why can't these Crawford people acknowledge that they have a few peaceful protestors, unarmed, willing to talk to them and their neighbor. They are fellow Americans who are unable to get Georgie's attention any other way but to sit outside his ranch. While in Iraq, civilians are having their doors kicked in, their children scared, homes and families destroyed on the orders of thier neighbor George W. Bush.

What are the citizens of Crawford sacrificing for their neighbors War in Iraq? They do not want to have to look or listen to the mothers who have lost their sons and daughters because they have no shame.

[seabeyond]

55. personally i dont see htis as a bad man. he has had it with the mess,

growing bigger and effecting their everyday life. i can be empathitic with this man. doesnt sound like he is bad, sounds like they have had enough. now they repugs are coming in and is looking like battle. started way small, getting bigger

i am sorry this is a mess for him. i am

i dont think it should or could stop, it has gotta be. cindy and the people speaking out need to do this

and it is in his space

he didnt ask for it. and i am sorry he and the town will have this for another two three weeks

i can understand this man, i would rather a person that can reason, and be empathitic to talk to him. not someone that will ignore what he says and call him crazy. i dont htink it is about sides.

[DistressedAmerican]

65. Sorry. He Invited "Every Redneck In Texas" To Come Shooting On His Land.

I have absolutely no tollerance for such incitement and intimidation of peaceful and lwaful protesters.

He does NOT own the land he is pissed off about.

I have no sympathy for that.

[seabeyond]

67. i have noticed this empathy thing is a challenge for you. yes n/t

[DistressedAmerican]

69. I will be sitting on that very land SOON. I empathize with Cindy Sheehan

I do not empathize with anyone that uses guns an an expressed or implied threat against her or any other lawful and peaceful protester supporting her.

Maybe you need to think a little about who you should be sympathizing with in this situation.

Either that or go spend some nights under the open skys yourself.

Suck to be him? Sure.

Still completely unacceptable behavior. Threatening and irresponsible.

[etherealtruth]

78. Please be VERY careful Distressed ...

The thought of (drunken) "rednecks" discharging firearms in an area where people are congregating is very frightening ... I know you don't need an alarmist so, let me just say that Cindy and everyone there to support her has my sincerest wishes for peace and safety1

[Lindacooks]

122. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

You want someone to have empathy with a raving right wing lunatic when all he's upset about is people milling around??

For God's sake, Cindy Sheehan LOST HER SON IN AN ILLEGAL WAR. ALL of your empathy should be for her and the other families who have sacrificed their family members needlessly. Not for some inbred moron ranting about a peaceful protest.

Get your priorities straight.

[Judi Lynn]

75. At some point many people meet challenges, and are forced to deal

with circumstances they don't particularly enjoy.

You cannot control absolutely every aspect of your life, no matter how insulated or privileged you are.

This man should realize the matter will be over quickly, and pace himself, as any well-balanced adult would.

He should direct his anger at the man (and his nasty syndicate) behind this world-engulfing crisis.

[seabeyond]

77. and maybe we can help him along. instead of jabbing him with

a stick to rile him more. i agree, it is one he will have to resolve himself, but maybe......with as good as cindy and others down there are, they will be able to do this. look at her with the bush supporter that lost a son. i just think, those down there are more capable and this man wasnt particularly bad, and the people here were far angerer at the man, missing an opportunity of showing a kindness instead of anger and battle. i am tired of us as people immediately going to battle. someone has to at least try kindness and peace

[DistressedAmerican]

87. He Came Wielding A Gun That Is Not How Rational People Would Act.

Nuff said!

[liveoaktx]

90. In Texas, people can shoot guns on their own property in the

country. Granted, his comments which equated to "Bring it on" were stupid and seems like if he's gonna bring on gun-toting problems, the Secret service and McClennan County Sheriff's department will be all over him like white on rice.

Don't misunderstand. I'm all for Cindy and the group doing what they're doing and it's legal for them to be on the access road-if it wasn't, from the very first instance, the cops would have been all over it and forced them to move.

That said, is it too much to expect at least a LITTLE empathy for the people that live there? Instead of trashing them, maybe acknowledge that they have a right to not be crazy in love with the fact that their routine is being changed?

[DistressedAmerican]

123. I Empathize With Those That DO NOT Try To End A Lawful Protest With

gun threats.

Locals that do not threaten me or others with guns (or other means of violence) are just fine in my book. I will empathize with them "until the cows come home". I NEVER said a word about them.

This guy is not in that group.

I do not accept ANY excuse for this type of behavior or recklessly calling on others to join him in it. I understand he may be within the letter of the law. However, this is still completely reckless and unacceptable bahavior.

If anyone on our side had called for folks to come in and start shooting off guns in town, they would be in SS or local LE custody right now.

Stop making excuses for those those that look to oppose free speech on the war with threats and intimidation. We should ALL have a zero tolerance policy on such behavior!

Period.

[liveoaktx]

86. I agree-his comments about the guns are out of line but he's

frustrated. Have some empathy for him, when I see his comments from articles before this where he doesn't like the hoopla, and imagine if, say, a bunch of right-wing fundies showed up on the road in front of your house. Yes, everyone has a right to do it, but he equally has a right, living there, not to like it.

I think if someone wants to send him a basket, send him one that won't piss him off further.

[DistressedAmerican]

88. Not To Like It? Sure! Threaten Lawful and Peaceful Protesters With Guns?

Hell no.

Incite others to come join him in doing so? Hell no!

Please.

[liveoaktx]

93. I didn't say he was right to do that... but I think you're going

overboard. If he's threatening people, the sheriff will take care of it.

[Generic Other]

57. You are a fast translator

I'm impressed!

[Dudley_DUright]

58. Faux news is trying to incite violence according to news-hounds

In the report by Mike Emmanuel, Matledge expressed sympathy for Cindy Sheehan adding that five weeks is just too much time to endure the protesters. The Crawford police reported that it's perfectly legal to shoot a gun as long as you're on your own property. They also said that there was nothing they could do about the protesters.

Larry Matlidge, a colorful personality, told reporters if his brother in law stayed five weeks after Thanksgiving there would be a problem too. He also said that he loves President Bush because the good book says to love your neighbor.

A few minutes later at the beginning of the next hour of FNL at 3PM the tease was more emphatic. "He's locked and loaded and ready to take action." Headline: Get Out Of Town

http://www.newshounds.us/2005/08/14/will_camp_casey_be_forced_out_of_crawford.php

[seabeyond]

63. incite exactly. we have to mellow. the man DOES NOT sound

like a bad guy. sounds like a guy that wants his space back. we can understand that. dont let this blow into something it doesnt have to be. not fair to the man. it isnt. but not sheehans fault the president chose that house. we can be empathitic to the man

[Window]

72. I think he just means to keep the Camp-folk from getting any sleep

due to the noise made from shooting in the air. At least, I HOPE that's all he's talking about! But, hell, that means he won't get any sleep either. LOL!

[DistressedAmerican]

89. Bullshit. Don't Threaten People With Guns And People Will Not Talk!

You seem to care very little about the clear incitment that these remarks represent.

If he had come out and talked to us? Call a press conference? I would empathize.

Come out shooting and it is another story.

[seabeyond]

96. you have hit every one of my posts, to promote your anger, in a

stalking like fashion. i on the other hand try to resolve an issue in peace. you want this to be battle, i dont think you will be helping cindy at all. you want to suggest i am not thinking about cindy, you are flat out wrong. i am all for finding the means to keep cindy there, in a peaceful and safe environment. you on the other hand are not the solution, you will be part of the problem. keep hitting every post to put me in my place. i am done with you. you have made it clear you refuse to think there is a possible way of resolving this. i dont see it that way.

[DemonFighterLives]

61. I saw him on CNN

I can understand property rights, but I think this fella is over the top. He gets to pay taxes(probably small), but he doesn't own that property. It would be hard to see what is such a big deal. So he has to drive by a few folks on the way out, the protest is not scheduled to last forever.

He wants to act so disgusted with all the people there, so he calls a bunch of rednecks to come over and shoot. As much as we all like the American flag, the back of his truck says it all; case of beer and a flag and some shotgun shells. He may be parading as some non-partisan, but his mind is a serious Kool-aid drinker. Make no mistake.

I questioned from the beginning why the camp was getting pushed around. It would seem like their could be some owner nearby that would rent out space for the cars and tents, etc. Did anyone attempt to find a suitable site. Maybe they are all whackos on the nutcase road?

[seabeyond]

64. a small town dude is watching his town swell,.......anyone live in small

towns. people like their small towns. why they live in them. they start getting frustrated adn almost claustrophobic. press, battle between repug and dem. i can so see this mans irritation. again, not about getting sheehan out, she cant. but i can understand this mans frustration after a couple weeks. surely we can understand without validating gun shooting. and calling him names, making him out to be something he isnt

[DemonFighterLives]

70. Why arr you all over this thread defending him?

The as*hole is shooting to intimidate the protesters. On CNN, he first said he was praticing for hunting and then half heartedly said he was shooting at a bird and missed. I take it that he really is shooting to intimidate.
If he has a real grievance, he should take it up with the cops and everyone should agree to fix the problem and find a more suitable place for the protest. This guy will only get worse and he already had more time on CNN than Cindy. He is stealing the show.

[dxstone]

73. Why are YOU having such a hard time empathizing t'other way round?

It's NOT HIS SPACE. Got it? NOT HIS SPACE. Legally they are well within their rights to be there.
It makes him uncomfy? Well, what ELSE makes him uncomfy? Racially mixed marriages? Civil unions for gays? Three-syllable words? Well fuck-a-doodle-doo! Get out yer gun and start blastin' away, good ol' boy! Yeah, that's WHY you're known as a good ol' boy... ignorance is GOOD! Let's help the poor ignorant hill-billy!! Who wants to shoot themselves first?
Seabeyond, you are friggin' unbelievable.
I'm going out there soon... and I DON'T CARE if they shoot at me. FUCK IT! If they're gonna do this thing right out in the open, I'M IN. ThCuz I'VEE got NOTHING left to lose... and you're worried about this asshole's right to be an ASSHOLE!
WHAT THE FUCK???
Got any MORE hairs to split so fine that very few angels could dance on the ends of 'em, sea-b? Why are you even here, man?
Ok, let's get to the bottom of the big mystery: Is it DOVE season or WABBIT season? And WHICH ONE is it where it's LEGAL to harass and threaten peaceful demonstrators???

DOVE season or WABBIT season? Which one? Which one?
Who fuckin' CARES?
I'm goin', and I HOPE THEY SHOOT ME! Tianenman Square? Bring it on, fuckers! Let's go! Let's DO this!!!
I'm bringin' my camcorder too... otherwise major hairdos from the MSM will probably just bury my ass in a shallow grave somewhere on this asshole's ASSHOLE farm!!!
I don't mind dyin'... not if it'll shed some more light on these vampire leaders of ours, and their none-too-subtle ways of MURDERING anyone who gets and stays firmly in their way!

[seabeyond]

74. the people in this area is getting a bit overwhelmed, maybe, sounds

like. the repugs have come in. that is starting more tension. look at the way you and others talk to me. you are riled. this is a peace movement. are we jocking to get into battle, or are we better than this? is it possible this can be solved with kindness and understanding, perhaps empathy?

and you ask what am i about? i am about listening to this man, and seeing when it started he was nice and supported cindy, to now frustrated. how can we make this work. not how can we fight

i am sorry you and others see me as a traitor. i resolve differently. since cindy will continue to stay, and she is a peaceful person, i would rather she experience a peaceful solution.

that makes me a bad guy. i dont think so.

i dont think we need to create this man into a monster either. yet. i dont think the ones down there are seeing him as that yet either, just a guess

but whatever.

[dxstone]

81. Yeah, a BIT overwhelmed...

...by a group of peaceful protesters who aren't bothering them at all.
Why? Cuz they have to slow down to make sure they don't run anyone over when they pass by? Cuz they have to wrestle with their own consciences about the meaning of this horrifying Armageddon war his 'good neighbor' President Evil's got us into?
Wow... tough row to hoe. Too much to ask that they mind their own goddamn business if they disagree with this lawful protest, huh?
Here's an idea: I suggest they stay inside and masturbate til' it's all over...
And that goes for anyone else who can't handle these simple, very obvious and straightforward legal issues about who can or cannot do what on PUBLIC land!
Yeah... whatever...
And btw, I don't think you're a BAD guy... like so many other Americans out there, you are neither good nor bad in my eyes; in fact, you're so lukewarm it's hard to tell you're even there.
I'm mad at the extras from Deliverance shooting off their guns and mouths, and no one taking them to account on it.
YOU'RE not even on the radar screen, man.
d

[seabeyond]

84. the poster that suggests a care package and chat

is going to be a hell of a lot closer to resolving this, than you. so luke warm may be your assessment, i couldn't disagree with you more. that person will be productive toward peace, while your way will encourage battle, and end up getting cindy and the whole group kicked out. but keep thinking it has to be one way, your way.......i dont think it will be welcomed at the protest, encouraging enemies of the neighbors. i dont think that is who cindy is.

we will have to see as this situation evolves.

[DistressedAmerican]

95. Threatening Peaceful Protesters With Guns Is Not Empathetic!

You are just plain wrong.

This man deserves to be called out as the intollerant gun nut that he is. He has created this discussion not us. I didn't even know his name this morning.

Your endless defense here and our past exchanges make it quite clear to me that you are not in this with us. If you were you would be in the slightest bit concerned for the honest and decent people this man is trying to intimidate into stopping a perfectly lawful protest.

Frankly these posts make me :puke: .

You better get down there soon to do some sleeping under the hail of "Redneck" bullets that he has called for or shut the hell up. Because you are full of shit.

I smell what you are cooking. :spank:

[seabeyond]

98. quite clear to me that you are not in this with us

then you just dont have very good eye site. i would prefer there not be hostility between cindy and the neighbors. you dont seem to mind. and that is indicitive to you, that you support cindy and her safety more? wow. clever dude

[DistressedAmerican]

104. He Incited It. He Plans To Continue And Wants Others To Help.

I am done with you and this line of bullshit gun nut apologist crap.

Anyone that defends a guy that tries to end a peaceful protest with gun threats is full of shit. He is a potential danger and should be dealt with by the police.

He is threatening peaceful and lawful protesters with guns and calling on others to join him. That is all I have to say to nullify any apologist crap you choose to post.

Yes, not with us. With him apparently...

[liveoaktx]

106. That's Bullshit. Nobody is on the side of him advocating shooting

people. He'll be arrested if that actually happens. You think ANY of the cops down there want to see a major fiasco happen right on the doorstep of Bush? More publicity, albeit negative? No way.

But I agree with Seabeyond that if you can't muster up a little bit of empathy for a guy who is NOT A BUSH LOVER but doesn't enjoy everyone parked outside his house and want to stir it up some more, you are PART OF THE PROBLEM.

[DistressedAmerican]

108. He Is Trying To Force The End Of A Protest With Gun Threats.

That is not a position I empathize with. Period.

He better get his own behavior in check. Those of us that are pissed off by this are not the ones waving guns around.

That is the problem here.

on edit: I also refer you to post 109.

[liveoaktx]

110. You just don't get it-thank goodness for ignore

[DistressedAmerican]

112. No, You Don't Get It. But I Couldn't Agree More With The Second Half Of

this post.

[DistressedAmerican]

113. Go Read The Freaks at FR And The Other site. They Are! Based On This

guys drunken threats.

His actions have consequences you seem to ignore.

[Sapphire Blue]

62. QUESTION: What is the Secret Service doing about this incitement to riot

... w/deadly weapons in the vicinity of their boss?

This is insane... another example of RW terrorism.

[lynne]

91. Doubt it's a Secret Service issue -

- as I would imagine that there are acres and acres between the two neighbors. Would think he's had guns and has used them long since GWB moved into town. Logistically doubt that he's a threat so the USSS wouldn't be involved.

If anything, it sounds like a local police/sheriff issue. And, as long as he's on his own property and not breaking any laws, it's pretty much a non-issue.

[Sapphire Blue]

119. Inciting people to riot w/deadly weapons in NOT a non-issue.

Since bush & co have driven past Camp Casey at least twice, and may do so again, and even though bush's land vehicles are probably better armored than any vehicle in Iraq, I would think that the Secret Service might want to put the kibosh on this gun nut's 'invitation'.

[DistressedAmerican]

121. You Can Bet That If We Had Called For Something Similar, People Would Be

in jail right now!

Just imagine someone on our side inviting gun owners to come fire them off near the "Westers White House"! Just imaging the swat teams and helocopters!

[Sapphire Blue]

124. Either in jail or disappeared.

Thankfully we are on the side of peace... and peaceful protest.

[Soup Bean]

66. Awwww...let's leave the crazy old dude alone.....

....I'm glad he didn't hurt anyone with his buckshot and dove hunting, but he has no idea what he's waded into....let him go...I know it's funny, but it's kind of like shooting fish in a barrel....

[dxstone]

76. Yeah, let the crazy ol' fuck shoot at ANYONE HE WANTS!

And if he don't 'get any' or 'bag any' or whatever the hell he said, let him shoot some more! Why not?
It's only Cindy Sheehan down there, and this miserable pos needs a MILE of personal space in every direction... and if she or any of her supporters gets hit, well, what the hell... he's a crazy, loveable ol' fuck, and America LOVES its crazies!
Why fight City Hall?
It's just good clean fun!!!
No one's been hurt YET... where's the problem???
He's just a crazy ol' coot; he thinks we're after his imaginary gold!
That's TEXAS for ya!... nothin' but good ol-fashioned Southern hospitality of the most murderous sort... why make a mountain out of a molehill???
Jeezis... tell ya what, bean: why don't you get your own ass down there, stand with the protesters and REPEAT that line over and over?
What, do you think this is only a movie?
And be sure to take your KIDS if ya got any!... there ARE kids down there, don't ya know..
Yeah, but where's the fire, Johnny, eh?
CHRIST on the CRAPPER1!! WHY ARE YOU HERE???

[DistressedAmerican]

97. He's Is Not Fucking Dove Hunting. Read Or Listen. It Is Not Season.

Season starts in September.

If he was shooting at doves he was breaking the law.

Bullshit, leave the crazy old dude alone. He is threatening us with guns and you write that off?

I'll tell you what I told See-Bee, get the hell out and sleep under those open skys yourself or stop trying to sell me this line of crap!

[zippy890]

68. sounds like an issue with 'porta potties'

quoted from your original:

"What this is is a war of porta potties."

"The war where the most porta potties is gonna win."

"Ya'll got started out going to the bathroom in a 5 gallon bucket and now I see three porta potties. How many more porta potties are you gonna put up here? And George Bush has more porta potties so if I was a betting man I'd say, he's gonna win."

[0rganism]

71. Greensboro, 1979

I'm very concerned about the direction this is about to take. The local cops better have their shit together on this one, or there will be hell to pay.

[DemonFighterLives]

92. They should not allow any freaks with guns to show up

That would be endangering everybody there, including the officers.

[dxstone]

82. Yep, some BAD shit...

But I don't care; I'm goin' anyway...
What is that audio file, man? I can't get it to play; my system doesn't recognize it...
d
ps: K & N! And K again! And AGAIN!!!

[DistressedAmerican]

101. Sorry. My Fingers Hurt. I Gave You Everything You Need.

Besides his tirade ia all over the news now.

This is mainly interesting for the obvious incitement that is not in the CNN peice (Either not repeated or edited out. Hard eto say which).

Defenders of this behavior most likely have another home they should return to. They have done their work for the day.

[ComerPerro]

85. What the hell is that?

[pinto]

100. I hope folks are cool and let local law enforcement handle it.

In a weird way, he's so OTT it highlights Cindy's peaceful protest.

And, I'd bet the local law knows him pretty well...

[seabeyond]

103. i'd prefer law enforcement to da....he would get the whole

demonstration kicked out

[DistressedAmerican]

105. That Does Not Even Make Sense...

"i'd prefer law enforcement to da....he would get the whole demonstration kicked out"

WTF?

[Swamp Rat]

114. "i am done with you." - I thought you were going to ignore DA?

Do you see that you are doing what you accused of him? :shrug:

[seabeyond]

118. never ignore you swamp rat

so though i am answering your post, does that mean i am addressing da. i am not. that post i wasnt addressing him either. merely put out an opinion. but yes...... i did see when i was doing the same. i walked away also, focusing on other posts, that i feel will be more productive. willing to donate to help resolve problem. even though i have been branded the enemy. yes.....i made another dig, and became one with da again, lol lol.

yup

[Swamp Rat]

125. We are all upset, so I understand your frustration...

and your point - it is well-taken. I have family JUST LIKE THIS GUY, but a bit further West in Texas. The REAL ranchers in my family, in New Mexico, would NOT act like this. I think Generic Other suggested an olive branch and a jar of honey from Cindy (or someone - how about a group of grannies? :) ) and I emphatically agree!

Peaceful protest is the only answer. An olive branch, a jar of honey, and an invitation to JOIN would be better IMHO.

The other day I was rude to another DUer (really great guy, but we disagreed and I hadn't slept for 48 hrs - my bad x( ) I hope we can cool off and return with hearts and minds unified.

peace

[blogslut]

107. HELP WANTED

Mr. Mattlage has a HELP WANTED sign posted on his property gate.

Perhaps a few of the healthy protestors should go an apply. Maybe the man needs some hands. Can't hurt to try and it will show good faith.

[DistressedAmerican]

126. I Keep Seeing The Crazy Larry Apologists All Over This Board.

If you have not listened to this audio, you better not be making excuses for this asshat. He is a beligerent prick that threatens peaceful and law abiding protesters with guns.

He is apparently unable to espress himself either sober or with out using fire arms.

He makes it clear that this type of behavior will continue if the protesters do not leave and invited "every redneck" in the state to join him in using guns to intimidate these people.

Anyone that is making excuses for that is just plain wrong.

There is a right side in this debate and you are not on it!

[Desertrose]

130. No there is not anymore right or wrong...I don't care what you say

its not about right or wrong.

Its about getting someone to PUT DOWN THIER FUCKING GUN.

All you are seeing is his anger and it is amping up yours. Anger and feeling you are the only one who is right is what the neocons and freepers are all about. Its what we can't stand about them....yet here you are saying the same BS.

Get a grip. There is a lot more at stake here than choosing sides or being "right".I am not apologizinf for this huy...I want us to get past this crap and have something positive come from it.

We all want the same thing...Cindy & everyone there...both sides of the fence to be safe and OK and come out of this with a little better understanding of other human beings and thier lives and what we have to gain & lose than before this happened.

[chelsea0011]

134. He has all but admitted he fired to intimidate....if that's not a crime

what is?

[Mr_Spock]

137. LOL - what a bunch of hot air

They ain't gonna do anything - and if they do it will be around Dumbya's neck for allowing this to go on. What a joke this country is.