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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:16 PM
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Taking the highroad - Let's make friends with Larry
Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 06:47 PM by sarahlee
I posted this http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4347367&mesg_id=4349678">here and tjdee and funkybutt suggested I make it a thread of its own so here goes.

Been doing some reading about this guy and part of what is going on is, at least some part, a culture clash (urban vs rural).

If we can step back from immediate reaction and concern, I think there could be a way to make lemonade out of this lemon.

First, Larry Mattlage is NOT a (rabid) Bush supporter. He is just an average country loving guy living on 98 acres of land (I think that is correct) - 98 acres ain't much in TX. He was NOT happy with Bush moving in next door.

If you live in the city, you are used to being around a lot of people, horns honking, sirens in the night, the constant whine of traffic blends in and you don’t really notice it. If you live in an apartment, you are probably even used to hearing at least part of neighbors’ conversations. If you live out in the country, you do so because you feel that you would rather drive several miles to the store than to live with all the noise that the convenience of a store around the corner brings. Trust me – I live in the country and after 3 days in the city, I am sick of it and can’t wait to get out. I lived in it for 20 of my adult years and I would never, ever do so again by choice. Now, back to Mr. Mattlage.

From the Texas Monthly: Man About Town - 2002
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:XbRaumqs4IQJ:www.texasmonthly.com/mag/issues/2002-11-01/webextra3.php%3Fclick_code%3Dba8cce8970cee30fe16a73e2bb499d47+Larry+Mattlage&hl=en">Meanwhile, Back at the Ranch

Larry wanted to give me a tour of his ranch, so we talked in his pickup, lurching down rutted dirt roads. "No one used to talk about politics around here," he said, steering past Black Angus cattle that lay napping in the shade. "Family feuds have started over all this. You used to be just a neighbor. Now you're a Republican neighbor or a Democratic neighbor. It's taken away the closeness of the community." He pondered this for a moment as he drove, and sighed. "I'll make some people mad for saying this, but I'll tell you what really ticks me off. Bush portrays this as his hometown, and it ain't. He just barreled in here."


http://www.politicalposts.com/news/index.asp?id=148650|Crawford coverage: Bucolic or bogus?>

But Larry Mattlage, who permits NBC to use his 90-acre spread, is somewhat resentful of Mr. Bush's presence.

"It sort of messed up a nice quiet neighborhood," he said. "When he's here, you get a lot of traffic and a lot of people and a lot of airplanes and a lot of security and a lot of things we didn't have here in the beginning."

Neither Mr. Mattlage nor Mr. Bradford would say how much he is paid for the use of his property, though Mr. Mattlage called it small recompense for the hassle of living next to a president.

"I figured, 'Well, if you've got to put up with this stuff, you might as well make a little money off of it,' " he said.


http://www.freerepublic.com/%5Ehttp://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3305570|Houston Chronicle>
But Larry Mattlage, who owns the farm across the road from where Sheehan and her supporters are encamped, was not pleased by the new visitors, who hung protest signs in the trees. Sitting on his parked tractor across the road, Mattlage said he supported the right to protest but that the demonstrators should not be allowed to stay for prolonged periods.

"In the morning I usually wake up and see the morning sun," he said. "Now I wake up to stuff hanging in trees."


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/7/3192/29840|TXsharon at Kos> - Aug 7th, 2005
While Cindy talked to the media, I visited with a member of the White House press corp. and a local rancher. The rancher was quite sympathetic and completely agreed with us but he was not comfortable providing any support for Cindy. He said that homeland security could determine that he was a threat, declare eminent domain, and seize his land.


My impression is he is just pissed off about all the traffic and commotion brought by both Bush and the protestors. I've had the privilege of growing up in both the city and country and enjoy rural living again. I can tell you that city folks don't always appreciate country concerns in the same way, and that if I were not involved in an issue, I would probably be really pissed at having my country quiet disturbed by what I would perceive as a bunch of interlopers. And now he not only has the occasional black helicopter disturbing his peace, but more cars, more traffic, more voices floating across the field, more “stuff” cluttering his view. From our perspective, concerned so about the issue of the illegitimacy of the war, it is an incredibly important event and worth everything. Larry is less sure. He just knows he wants his peace and quiet back.

As a former Texan, I also ask you to remember that Texas was not always a republican stronghold and that Bush is NOT a Texan. The state has problems and a mix of good and bad people just like most places - and it is BIG, so there are just more of them. But I don't think that Mr. Mattlage is a bad guy - just a frustrated country guy who is feeling a little loss of control. Naturally, he is kind of powerless against his neighbor, so the frustrated is getting directed towards the most recent annoyance and one he thinks he *might* be able to excerpt some control over.

After 11 years of not having any neighbors within eyesight, I found myself really irritable when someone I kind of liked moved within view of my little patch of land. After 2 years, it still irks me to walk out and see their residence where I used to only see hills and trees. Their dogs are nice enough (and hey, I have a dog!), but keep me from enjoying wild turkeys flocking to some huge old cottonwoods to roost now. I still get mad about that.

I've got some empathy for this man, though I think the cause is worth his displeasure. Stop for just a minute and put yourself in his shoes. Imagine it was Clinton who moved next door and it was Freepers camped out across the road.

Solution:
If what I have read about him is true and he is typical of the folks I knew when I lived in the Texas Hill Country, then someone like Cindy or a key spokesperson with mediation training, going over with a gift of some baked goods, (pecan pies are usually hits) or some thing like that, and just having a nice chat, listening to his frustration, explaining that they are not leaving until Bush does - gently, and promising to try and leave the land as they found it, could possibly make a friend. Ask him what he thinks they could do to try and make the time less unpleasant for him and listen carefully to what he says and do as much as possible and within reason to fulfill his requests. Then make sure trees are not damaged and that the place really is clean when everyone does leave.

On a selfish note, there is the possibility that it could be turned into GREAT PR if managed carefully and properly. And if we want to learn to make peace in the world, why not try and start with this little conflict.

I regret that Cindy is taking a position that is being shown on TV now. I think that if she had simply expressed sympathy for him, apologized for the disturbance to his quiet and that of other neighbors it would have been better, but that isn’t a criticism as it is sometimes hard to step back and look at a bigger picture when you are in the middle of it and someone is shoving a microphone in your face.

There is also the possibility that it could turn ugly if some care is not taken now.


My two cents....
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:19 PM
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1. HELP WANTED
Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 06:34 PM by blogslut
Mr. Mattlage has a HELP WANTED sign posted on his gate. At least from the photo I saw.

Someone needs to go help the man out. That will keep the peace.

*UPDATE* I liberated this pic from the Lone Star Iconoclast:

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A Simple Game Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:44 PM
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50. Maybe some of the people there could volunteer
to have a work day/half day for Larry.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:54 PM
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53. I sure hope so
I'm sure they'll do everything they can to show this man they mean no harm. A donated days labor spread amongst the protesters...how can Larry pass that up?
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:19 PM
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2. Still think it's a great post....
:hi:

I put a link to it/paraphrased some of it in proud2lib's thread about the gift basket, hope you don't mind.
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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:23 PM
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8. Not at all!
Thanks
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:20 PM
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3. Amen to your post....
That's my take as well.
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cmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:21 PM
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4. I also agree
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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:27 PM
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13. You said...
Show Bush what a little negotiating can do to solve a problem. I think the guy is feeling what we want Bush to be feeling. Unfortuantely the situation has put him over the edge. Perhaps a little negotiating would give Cindy the edge in the media.


Well said and worth repeating here for those who might not click the link. Thank you!
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:21 PM
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5. I agree
I suggested a jar of honey with a flag on it and a card. Maybe Cindy could deliver it. A simple gesture. The olive branch.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:30 PM
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15. I like your suggestion.
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funkybutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:23 PM
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6. Maybe someone who is on their way could bring a homemade...
pie or a caserole or something.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:23 PM
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7. beautiful post. i think this is grand.
lets show them what kindness and compassion can do. we need this in this nation. i watched cindy do it with a bush supporter who lost a son. we can do this

let me know what you want. i will give it. for real. we just have to bringing kindness back into the equation. and i like the part of leaving land as was found, and how we can make it easier for him. not gonna go, we have to do this, but we dont want him to be frustrated either. we are a kind and peaceful person. sorry bush is in crawford and he is having to experience this.

and for a person to listen to those words you posted, gosh, we can show how yes, we are not going ot divide and hate. not going to be about dem and repug. for a small period, another three weeks, demonstrations want to be a good neighbor.
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:23 PM
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9. Sounds reasonable.....
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:25 PM
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10. Nominated - thank you for posting this background info on him
as well as your wise thoughts.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:26 PM
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11. yes...I've had experience with guys like that (as I posted earlier)
Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 06:27 PM by hlthe2b
Curmudgeons that talk big, sometimes shockingly out of tune, but are basically harmless. This guy, especially seems more concerned with getting back his way of life, than having any opposing political agenda. He has seemed reasonable up to now.

I hope no one does anything to further piss him off, though. (A friendly "basket" to show thanks that included, say a bottle of Jack Daniel or Wild Turkey or a case of his apparent fav beer, maybe with some mixed nuts (no pun intended), some of the exotic, gourmet jerkeys (elk, bison, antelope) that are now available--those kind of things. And, a nice hand-written note thanking him for his patience and pledging that all would be considerate of his and all other land, now and upon leaving....
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:26 PM
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12. GREAT POST & IDEA! n/t
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:28 PM
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14. Has anyone....
made this suggestion to Cindy? I'm sure she would understand and try her best to talk to the man and come to some sort of agreement....
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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 10:49 PM
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71. Hope that a DUer who is there or has a family member there
Will read and pass on.
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TheCentepedeShoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:31 PM
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16. Who knows -
Maybe Larry voted for Kerry just to try to get the Pretzeldent outta there (wouldn't have to play the "war cowboy" anymore).
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:33 PM
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17. When you Put it like that... I can relate BIG-TIME!
The thought of all those FReepers near my home... No.Way!

But on the other side of the fence (pardon urban pun there, respectfully), he's witnessing history in the making "and" it could be just that--FReepers outside along his 90+ acreage farm.

Your post mentions his fear of Homeland Security issues, one I can relate to as most of us can out here. Maybe he could look to Cindy Sheehan as an image of courage to stand-up to his unwanted neighbor.

Just a thought, respectful to Larry.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:34 PM
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18. Keep this excellent post bumped.
.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:35 PM
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19. I agree with you..
:applause:
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:41 PM
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20. I couldn't agree more...this is a PERFECT opportunity to make things
BETTER...not worse.

I like the pie idea and a chance to talk...and reassurance that his property will be complety put back the way it was or better.

I also like the idea of folks offering to help out with no expectations back.

Show him what l true Americans/Liberals/Dems are REALLY like.

Folks this is a really BIG BIG chance to make things BETTER...not worse. A little kindness goees a LONG way these days.

and yes...we do NOT wan tit to get ugly and I think a lot of it is up to "us"

Peace is winning out...lets keep at it :)
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:46 PM
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24. really BIG BIG chance to make things BETTER
excellent post. give the repugs an example of kindness. who we would like to be. couldnt believe a protester with a poster dont mess with my bush, you pussy. horrible. this alone will outrage the community. doesnt matter what side, gonna want em all out.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:41 PM
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21. I completely agree. Great post. Thank you.
:yourock:
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:44 PM
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22. Great idea. Great post. Who's available to take the initiative? I'm in NC.
Can't do a damn thing from here. I'd be really good at it, too. Rats!
:freak:
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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:50 PM
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27. I'm in South Dakota so I'm no help either n/t
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antigone382 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:44 PM
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23. sarahlee, you're a genius! This is a great idea.
I think reaching out to Larry will greatly help the situation, and show what Dems really stand for. It also seems very "Cindy" to me.
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:47 PM
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25. Works for me!
I think the gesture is first Cindy's to make and then it wouldn't hurt the rest of us to show him a little kindness. If I know the peace movement crowd, there are more than enough people down there working on doing just this right now.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:51 PM
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29. people down there working on doing just this right now.
i think they must be too. remember cindy with the bush supporter who's son died. very compassionate. yes. and i love your name
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:58 PM
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33. Thanx, Seabeyond.
Sadly, I saw that same guy on the evening news tonight talking her mission down once again. Saying she had no respect. I'm glad she extended the olive branch, just sorry he had to take it and stomp all over it.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:49 PM
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26. Thank you for that. We needed a voice of reason about this
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funkybutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:50 PM
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28. For some reason, that first "here" link sends me to microsoft.com
:shrug:
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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:53 PM
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30. eeks!!!!!!!
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:54 PM
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31. the url has an extra http
Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 06:55 PM by indie_voter
your browser might redirect to microsoft if it can't resolve the url?

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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 08:49 PM
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61. You'r correct
And it is too late for me to edit and correct it. Sloppy. Sorry.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:56 PM
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32. On a purely compassionate note,...walk in the man's shoes,...
,...for just one moment, please. Geez. I witnessed a man making an effort to respect those engaged in a battle HE NEVER INVITED into his life or his property. He is NOT responsible for oppressing or exploiting this country.

Those who are advocating an attack on this American,...make me sick.

Personally, if I could see him, face-to-face, I'd share my own frustration with having my life altered with no choice, whatsoever. I'd have a beer with him and ask him about his life, his frustrations, his hopes and dreams. I'd reach out to him as a fellow, frustrated American.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:02 PM
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34. Amen , Just Me....Being able to see anothers perspective
is what we sorely lack in this country of "me/mine" vs "you/yours".

So sad.
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Roy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:05 PM
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36. No one was on his property....
His first expression of frustration was to make a long ride across his property and fire shotgun blast in air in an obvious attempt to shock, frightened, and/or intimidate people quitely sitting on public property.

If this guy was so peaceful and inwardly decent, why didn't he just go over and express his concern to these folks. It is obvious that there was no one over there who was a threat to him, his property, or anything else except the lies and coverups of George Bush and his corrupt administration.

He knew just what he was doing and why, and there is no amount compassionate rationality to be lost on this idiot
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:15 PM
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42. You are denying the disruption to his LIFE!!!!
Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 07:17 PM by Just Me
If you MUST ATTACK SOMEONE,...ATTACK THE BASTARD NEXT DOOR WHO DISRUPTED, EXPLOITED, OPPRESSED ALL OUR LIVES!!!

Damnit,...I am so sick of this pitting Americans against eachother when there are exploitative, amoral ASSHOLES receiving benefits from such division.

HE'S NOT AN IDIOT!!! HE'S AN AMERICAN WHOSE LIFE HAS BEEN DISRUPTED BY THE BUSHCO/NEOCON REGIME!!!! :grr: Had the corporacratic, global empire exploiters not bought a piece of property for propaganda purposes, this man would be FREE!!!! FREE from disruption to his life!!! :grr:
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Roy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:24 PM
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45. I'm for attacking no one....
But on the other hand, I'm for letting an idiot who thinks that I should fear him because he stupidly shoots shotgun blast in the air to scare me, that there can be consequences to his actions.

Why should I be the only person whose actions should be accountable?

It's OK for this guy to try and intimidate and then invite the rest of the county to come and join in on the fun??? But, everyone else should just bow down and ask 'can't we all just get along??

We can only get along if there are 2 side willing. And until you start showing the unwilling side that intimidation tactics won't work, then he will always be unwilling to come to the table.

for example, see invasion of IRAQ.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 08:21 PM
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56. you can't show himthat they WORK either
and by getting confrontational it will just teach him more of the same.


WHAT DO WE HAVE TO LOSE BY TAKING A SHOT AT RATIONAL DISCUSSION....I mean hell, its a place to start, isn't it??

we would not be "bowing down to just get along"...we would be starting a dialogue which is always the first step in reolving conflcits of ANY kind.

This isn't about who is right or the someone being wrong...its about changing all the stupid angry bullshit that has already gone down and trying to prevent more from happening.
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Spock_is_Skeptical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:04 PM
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35. excellent post & great idea.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:06 PM
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37. (please nominate!) the very essence of peace
is in learning how to find/create it in the situations we encounter in our lives. This is all about peace. Thank you for a wonderful and wise post! :applause:
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:09 PM
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38. just so long as he keeps the guns put away...
that's my only concern, I live in a rural area like crawford, it's a dangerous thing to have a guy obviously who has been drinking shooting a gun.

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funkybutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:12 PM
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39. agreed
anger and frustration don't mix well with beer and guns.

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:23 PM
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44. I know people like this,...they don't shoot to harm people.
Seriously. It's a form of controlled stress management that can be completely misunderstood. Please, don't over-dramatize this event. Please.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:20 PM
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74. Hear Hear, think Hunter S. Thomson people.
Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 11:21 PM by hootinholler
On edit maybe not ;)

-Hoot
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:33 AM
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116. That would be Hunter S. Thompson who shot himself
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:35 AM
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119. my mom sat in a car and gassed herself to death
where are we going to go with this one.?

i am outta here, so whatever. just sayin
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:07 AM
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128. And this, by you, excuses Larry?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:20 AM
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132. wow, that you came to all that
they are talking suicide with gun. i was talking suicide mother. how that gets to me excusing larry, i just do not know
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #132
134. So you missed the enitre rest of the thread
and the reason why guns came up at all.....just so you could blurt out that your mom committed suicide? That's very sad.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:29 AM
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135. i participated in the rest of the thread, as you can easily see
i felt this was a bit off topic. so i went a bit off topic. appropriate i felt to what was being said. hunter, gun, suicide.

sorry it is tough for you to follow.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:31 AM
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137. Not tough for me to follow....
We were told we supposed to excuse drunk crazy Larry being a public menace because Hunter S. Thompson was a gun loon, and look how harmless he was....

Which he wasn't.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:35 AM
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141. suicide. with gun
suicide is not about the gun issue. suicide is about .... suicide. will be found a way to do it, be it a gun or gas in a garage or pills or hanging self. comparing to hunter and the gun issue is where i was going. what i was asking. if this was the direction of this part of the thread. suicide isnt about the means to commit the act.

now the whole making excuse because of hunter, really didnt get what that was all about

i didnt get it

i asked, what it was about. i asked a question for better understanding.

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:48 AM
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142. Yeah....seems Hunter Thompson was not such a good role model
nor was he much of an excuse as to why we shouldn't think Larry isn't a deranged loony who ought not to be armed...

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:13 PM
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143. o.k. n/t
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:20 AM
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83. That's my concern also. Pretty simple.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:13 PM
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40. Outstanding post.
Peace. --- is the way to handle the situation; not confrontation.

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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:14 PM
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41. Best post here in weeks
Well said.

We don't need to make enemies of these guys. They vote.

Extremely good advice and I hope its taken
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:17 PM
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43. Oh come on.
I grew up on 59 acres, and it is SO possible to get far, far away from people when you have 98 acres. This guy doesn't have to 'sit on his tractor' watching the demonstration.

And how is it physically possible that 'signs in trees' block sunshine on his land? (In the morning I usually wake up and see the morning sun," he said. "Now I wake up to stuff hanging in trees.")
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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:47 PM
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51. Well I owned 100 acres in TX
but my house, like his, was not at the back of my property, but near the road.... You have to pay to put in your own driveways and it can be damned expensive.

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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:27 PM
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46. I tend to agree with you
The guy is granted...some old fart redneck that should not be shooting where there are people around--but if he was actually a freeper he wouldn't have been so stupid as to be photographed with shells, beer etc.

This person at least IMO is not a Rove/bush/freeper ambassador.

I think the best thing would be for the protesters to at least humor him (to a degree)

Take the old SOB a platter of BBQ and tell him we appreciate your patience.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:27 PM
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47. This is a good idea, imo. nt
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:30 PM
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48. Agreed. Democrats and progressives practice empathy.
Mr. Mattlage has given us a wonderful opportunity to set a good example and to show why Democrats and progressives are better than bush and his followers.

Mr. M is just tired, worn out and frustrated. He let his emotions get the better of him. Let's not do the same. Let's meet him halfway, somehow. As the Beatles said, "We can work it out."

Peace.


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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:13 PM
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65. Yes - an opportunity
In schools they might call it "a teachable moment." Regreatably most here want to start another war. First Bush invaded his community and now we have. There ought to be a way, so that when we leave, it is us he likes and Bush he is still pissed at.

Otherwise, we are just feeding our emotional reactionary needs the same way Bush did in Iraq.

OK - that is a bit of an exageration, but I hope you get what I mean.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:40 PM
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49. kick
:kick:
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:49 PM
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52. I suggest
BUying blue sheets and painting bushes on them and putting them between his window and the porta-potties.

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ben frank Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 08:08 PM
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54. Money Talks
Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 08:11 PM by ben frank
How about we waive a fistful of cash in his face and tell him we want to book the Stones for a concert ((:



map, t-shirts, flyers, quotes- Stand with Cindy stuff...
http://www.benfrank.net/crawford
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #54
60. I tried to send him this e-mail
but it wouldn't go through. I agree with the food/chat/offer of $$$ idea - LISTEN to the guy, don't go and tell him how much you understand - send somebody who is a good listener (a mom, duh - cindy herself if she can or wants to)

and if anybody manages to visist with him feel free to give him a copy of my note and have him get in touch (pm me for the full address)


Hi Larry,

You don't know me but I am a rural person too. (I ranch in SE Arizona - and my family came from Coleman County in E Texas) These folks camping on the road are real Americans doing a truly brave and American action. I hope you will support them and maybe you could even make a little money on the side. Why don't you rent them a couple of acres to camp out on and I promise I will use every influence I have with them to ensure they understand about private property and the care of the land and soil that I am sure you engage in. Between us we could make a difference in the urban view of agriculture and patriotism.

Its time for us folks in the countryside to stop supporting liars just because they may spout a few things we agree with. Its time to bring REAL family values and real patriotism back to this country and that means bringing our kids home from this farce of a war and pitching that fake cowboy from the Whitehouse.

Give it thought,
Kali XXXXXX
XXXXX Ranch - XXXXXXXX
Dragoon, Arizona
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #54
75. and bring him a couple of counselors
and confiscate his gun until August 31?

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Panda1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 08:12 PM
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55. Excellent post, sarahlee!


Thanks for the links.
Beautifully stated solution.
Recommended.:thumbsup:
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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 08:27 PM
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57. I'm following Camp Caseys line on this... as long as his or any of his
Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 08:27 PM by frictionlessO
guests that he wants to invite up to target practice, as long as those projectiles stay on his land he can have a bit of slack.

I've also lived out in the country (very very remote at times) and you could be right about this guy, you could also be wrong about him. It does know one any good to put on rose colored glasses in this situation as a whole, but if Larry was drinking and shooting off some steam so be it.

If Larry has a bunch of people show up who want to denigrate the cause by firing rifles anywhere near the vigil... well I am going to be out there next weekend and a few extra days. I guess that'll just increase my empathy for the people in Iraq.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 08:31 PM
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58. I'm a little leery of Larry yet
But an attempt at Peace is the best. The Dems. are the best at diplomacy. Perhaps a pullback or gift or something.
If a peaceful initiative doesn't work, then the camp may have to move.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 08:36 PM
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59. I'm no christian, but blessed are the peacemakers. :)
Great idea. I'm glad someone thought of it. :) :) :) :)
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Celeborn Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:00 PM
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62. Good idea.
Kick!:dem:
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:10 PM
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64. kick
cause peace rules and hate drools
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:05 PM
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63. You are right on about country folks
.....I'm one, and most just want to pay their bils and live their lives....just like the rest of us. We just have an interest in whats happening in our country right now and he's not.
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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #63
67. This guy started out being pretty sympathetic
I think the thought of five weeks of lots of strangers in the neighborhood on top of the extra helicopters is just too much for his sensibilities.

Maybe they need to sing some country songs around the candles at night. :)
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #63
78. I like my privacy...when I can get it.
Send him to Branson for a while.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:50 PM
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66. Someone should inform him that:
Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 09:57 PM by bvar22
the quicker bush* is out of office, the quicker he will leave rural Texas. No way that spoiled brat Connecticut blueblood will stay on the Pigfarm one day longer than necessary.

If we can run him out of office before 2008, Crawford will return to normal that much quicker.


Rural Texas (and the rural South in general)) gets a stereotyped Bad Rap on DU from the less educated and the less traveled. Some of the DU comments about Crawford this week were very bigoted. Remember, it was the local Crawford liberals who first supported Cindy and her small camp last week! The editor of the Crawford newspaper is strongly Anti-NeoCon and isn't afraid to put his feelings about bush* and the WAR into print.

I am more comfortable with a rural Texas farmer firing off a bird gun on his property than ANY sururban commando with a gun fetish (Democrat or Republican). Most rural Texas farmers know their tools, and can hit what they shoot at. I WAS surprised that a rural Texan would waste ammunition.
He DOES seem to lack some Social Skills! Maybe that is why he decided to live in the woods. In his place, I would be stressed by the intrusion.

My populist liberal roots are in rural Texas.
Texas liberals are strong, outspoken, sharp tounged, and dedicated.

Molly Ivins
Bill Moyers
Jim Hightower
Ann Richards



I agree 100% with the OP.

Love this line:
"I'll make some people mad for saying this, but I'll tell you what really ticks me off. Bush portrays this as his hometown, and it ain't. He just barreled in here."

Give the guy a break.
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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #66
69. Mine too
Re:
My populist liberal roots are in rural Texas.


Worked on the Richards' campaign and did some research work for Hightower. Cut my activism molars walking women past Randall Terry.

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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:55 PM
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68. As someone soon to be in Crawford
Larry can kiss my ass. I won't be deliberately provoking the nutjob, but I sure as hell won't be buying him chocolates either.

I'll save my precious resources for the people there supporting Cindy.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:34 PM
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79. I agree. Larry couldn't give a crap about world peace.
Further, it's plain wrong to terrorize peaceful protestors and invite others to come with guns and join him.

I hope the police take his guns away until after August 31.
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loverevolution Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 10:48 PM
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70. Does anyone else...
find it strangely ironic this guy likes to shoot doves?


"The Crawford rancher told reporters he was practicing for dove season"
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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:15 PM
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72. Nope
Very, very common rural Texas "sport." My brothers all did the dove hunting thing. We ate them...
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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:17 PM
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73. I posted a link to this thread
at the Crawford Peace House message board in the "notes for Cindy" forum so maybe someone there will see it.

http://crawfordpeace.nfshost.com/node/246

There are some pretty nasty freepers posting over there.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:27 PM
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76. saralee thank you for htis thread, and thank you for your effort
i hope they see it too. and i hope we can show that peace can win. i am seeing anger from a few on this board that is boarding on the same type of intimidation and closed mindedness. to see your thread and that large number of like minds, does my heart good. i hope a welcoming resolution can come out of this

i dont know this man, i dont know if he can be reasoned with. but i do know i havent had to fight my way thru life, to have a peaceful life. i have been rewarded over my many years with good outcomes from communication and kindness and love. it has always, and i can say ALWAYs worked for me.

thank you

and if the man does something stupid, or it escalates, i have faith the cops down there will do there job

would rather all live in harmony, and yes......peace

to understand and be compassionate with a person is not an apologist, it is a clever and resourceful means to a happy ending.
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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #76
82. Seabeyond, you obviously can see beyond . . .
a single gunshot by a frustrated guy whose neighborhood has been invaded.

It saddens me to read all of the voices on this forum screaming for some kind of "vengence" for something they just don't understand. They sound so much like the freeper posts we love to make fun of. You only have to listen to his words - all of them available from now and the past to see that his own war isn't with Cindy or the protest. It is with the disruption of his own peace.

You are correct, he could go either way. But what does anyone have to gain by trying to push him over the wrong way instead of embracing him into ours? That I don't get. There is no way to win a war against him. Not for Cindy. Not for us. You might win it legally, but you won't in the world of opinion.

I thought most of us believed in resolving conflict peacefully when possible. But many have judged him and are dragging him to the hanging tree without even trying to hear his case.

Anyway, I thank you for remaining objective and looking at the bigger picture.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:39 AM
Response to Reply #82
85. enough with anger all the time.
i am raising two kids. at some point, us adults are going to have to get beyond anger, so we can teach our kids how to relate to one another in kindness, or.......we will just have generation after generation of angry people. no one will know how to interact with each other.

i saw you on another post. i know you know what i mean

now......i am off to bed

sweet dreams

one last kick
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:28 PM
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77. Recommended And Kicked !!! - Wonderful Idea !!!
:yourock:
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:37 PM
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80. I'm going with the "make friends" camp.
First of all, the old guy was a little drunky pulling out the pick-up and the cooler with the shotgun.

This is NOT some Gallagher taunt of the protesters. It was a cranky old guy who wanted a little attention because the "people" were stepping on what he considers is property. (It's not...but there you go...)

He's annoyed they're there after a week and wants his quiet drive back to the coffee shop in Crawford like it used to be. After a few Sunday morning beers, he's now pissed off.

He's just a goof. Don't let the rest of what's going on make this some sort of "confrontation."

I'm of the camp, that if the people down there called him over and offered him a beer, he'd be right there.

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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:31 AM
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84. Maybe
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 12:31 AM by sarahlee
"...if the people down there called him over and offered him a beer, he'd be right there."

If he can get past his fear of "homeland security" you might just be correct.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:20 AM
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88. After all day of watching this...And living in Texas and dealing with the
Larry's here since 1981, I think the best thing to do is make him a friend.

I really do. He's a little scared, a little stupid, and if he can identify with the throngs around his property, he might even join up.

He really does not like the war, is intimidated by the people on "his road" and does not know what to make of it.

It's awful to say, but a 6-pack and a cigar and some photos or something with an invite to come over and sit would turn him into a supporter instead of an antagonist.

It's always better to be a friend than an enemy.





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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #80
148. drunks w. guns are dangerous
you guys trivialize and romanticize this at yr peril

drunks w. guns kill & NOT always themselves a la hunter thompson

this entire thread is bananas

you do not walk onto someone's property w. or w.out pecan pie after they've gotten drunk & shot off their gun in a clear message you are not welcome & they the shooter are not in control of their anger.

i've seen many intelligent actions recommended on DU

this is not one of them

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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #148
156. Actually . . . .
With the secret service next door and the fact that they already went over and talked to him and the fact that he already said he was worried about getting on some "homeland security" list, I don't think anyone really has to worry about Larry and guns.

He may be really frustrated and wanted his time with the media to make his feelings known, but I don't think he is insane.

No one was suggesting walking up to a drunk with a gun to offer pecan pie. People have talked to him when he wasn't drinking so obviously he does not drink all the time.

Shooting a gun off in the air is not an uncommon practice in rural TX - even when drunk. May not be the safest thing to do, but it is not an act of war.

Anyway, like I said, the secret service have probably already told him that shoooting off guns is a no-no while the president is residing next door and I bet Larry takes that real seriously.

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:43 PM
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81. I'm going out on Tuesday.
But if someone could get me his address, I could mail something out to him tomorrow through priority mail with a note. I'm a Texas country girl, just a couple hours away. It should get to him by early Tuessday.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:34 AM
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90. You know...I think this is wrong. Don't mail him stuff...ANYTHING
Just show up and talk to the guy. (If he's there.) Invite him over to sit and give him beers (he loves that) and talk about where you are from and how hot it is or JUST anything.

Larry could become part of the camp and be one of the biggest supporters. He''s an old red-neck guy living on the prairie who wants to be recognized.

You folks from the north may not realize how the "hippy" or "sophisitaced" trial lawyers, or the "city slickers" intimidate these people. YOU are intimidated because you don't understand them as well.

Just think the other way around. Larry and Cindy would probably get along famously if just given the chance.



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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:37 AM
Response to Reply #81
92. Sorry, but I don't have his address
But if you are going down, you can leave a note or gift at the gate.

Be sure you check out the thread about things they need before heading out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4348822
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:36 AM
Response to Reply #92
104. I will be going down at some point...But I think the "thrust the card"
though the gate is wrong.

I would much rather saunter up and just start talking...about anything..the weather, how humid it is etc., and invite Larry over to the truck for a "cold one" and to see my dog. Something like that.

Later, I might show him some cards from DU'ers and chat about how he's become a kind of celeb. on the board. He'd like that. AND I think that if he can talk to us once in awhile he might join up, or maybe just get to like us.

If we make friends with him, it's so much better than being an enemy.

Isn't that the dem..progressive way anyhow? They start wars, we make peace.



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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:05 AM
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86. Nope...not much to lose but a helluva lot to gain .....
last kick before bed.
:)

If we want things to change....it has to start with the only people we can control...ourselves. We are the only ones who can shift this....make a gesture of friendship...we really do have everything to gain... even if its just helping one other person see a different point of view...to make him feel a little less frustrated.

It is really heartening to see so many people agreeing with this, isn't it sarahlee.


Peace....one heart at a time
:hug:
DR
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:12 AM
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87. I dpn't bale
but let me know if you need cash to get them pies....

And heck even a barbeque
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:21 AM
Response to Reply #87
89. you dont bake? lol lol
hey, now a good ole bbq doing up a smoked brisket, throw some corn on the cob onto the grill. that sounds good for all
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:55 AM
Response to Reply #89
97. yep and larry may enjoy it, remember the beer
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 01:56 AM by nadinbrzezinski
anyhow I am serious don't have much cash, but will give some for this cause to keep the peace... and for god sakes I wish I cuold be there, but in the era of the Internat we do what we can... me raising conscousness of Camp Casey round these parts
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Freedomfried Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:35 AM
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91. You people are crazy, don't cater to the dip shit!
He's a half-witted drunk.

If you kiss his ass, he'll see you as weak and controllable by someone like him, if you call him on the carpet and shame him he'll put his gun away and sooner or later he'll come out his gate and join all the "folks"

If you don't want to be stepped on, don't act like a doormat.

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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:38 AM
Response to Reply #91
93. You are just wrong. And as afraid of change as he is.
Stop being devisive. If we don't the country is doomed.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:39 AM
Response to Reply #91
94. sounding a lot like bush. hm. well not all of us are
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 01:41 AM by seabeyond
testosterone driven males going around puffing our chest. so call me a doormat, lol lol lol, and i gotta say, not a single person that knows me would even suggest such a thing. doesn't matter to me at all

you solve issue your way, put him in his place, i will solve issues my way,....kindness. mine has always worked for me.

putting us in our place, how's it working for you.
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Freedomfried Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:50 AM
Response to Reply #94
96. Well, good luck!
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:13 AM
Response to Reply #94
101. errr...It works pretty well actually. Being accommodating as opposed to
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 02:13 AM by LibInTexas
being confrontational, I find, works better.

In business or my personal life.

Testersone? I have some of that! You might have some other types of hormones, but that does not mean that we should try and not talk to each other.

This reminds me of the 60's. Us anti-war hippies were looked on as weak because we tried to reason with people. Not FIGHT them. The more you try to fight, the worse the problem is. (Now, I'm not talking about fighting against the present gov...etc...I mean fighting our fellow human beings...)

I guarantee you, if you want to fight Larry, he'll fight you back. AND, I guarantee, if you make him a friend, he'll march to hell with you.

Can we make all the Larry's our friends. Sadly not. But we should try.

It might me a good time to understand what he did and why. Not to condemn him as a shill for Rover or just a red-neck ass-hole Texan that would rather shoot peace-niks than talk to them.

He liked the first week, and now is feeling his oats. He does not like the traffic in his little town and on Sunday morning stocked his cooler up and drove the pick-up out to the place where the "hippies" are marchin'.

He shot some shot into the air as a kind of "Here I Am..Pay Attention to Larry" thing near the fence where he knew the "city people" were.

It wasn't meant to be mean. Just stupid.


NOW. I really think if this thing goes for another 4 weeks, we will have an ugly confrontation. It won't be from Larry or Billy or Joe Bob, but from some of the hate-radio imports.

Mark my words.

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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:12 AM
Response to Reply #94
105. I'll tell you what "seabeyond" charging that people have too much
TESTERSONE is like "other people" charging that some people have too much estrogen.

Get my drift?

You want to kill? I want to make friends. Who will end up on top of the heap in the long run? The people who make friends. It's a democratic thing.

AND I do NOT sound like Bush. He wants to kill. I do not.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:52 AM
Response to Reply #105
106. lib i am not talking to you. what sounds like bush is if you dont
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 08:54 AM by seabeyond
shame him, he will think you are weak. if you dont shame him......as the answer. i disagree. i dont think the answer is to "shame" larry. i dont think we keep cindy safe by "shaming" him. that is what sounds like bush to me. the puffing of the chest, if you dont put him him place you are a doormat. written by freedomfried

i am on your side and totally agree with you and your observation of larry. i would be right there with you talking to him about how hot it is and having a beer. though i am a wussy wine drinker. i know how to say yawl though, i am up in the panhandle

i am on your side. my post wasnt to you. my post was to the person calling all of us a doormat.

i dont shame people to solve my problems. i dont think it is effective, i feel that approach escalates tensions.
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #94
113. so true, seabeyond--its clear, the time of testosterone is over
women's ways have been derided for too long; yet, its women's courage to stand up when no one else will, women's ways of wisdom and compassion responding to real people, not obedience to abstract ideals and power displays, that lead to peace and cooperation.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #113
117. and the silliness of intimidation thru saying i am a doormat. that
is humorous. let me tell you how you are suppose to think, what you are suppose to say, by calling you a doormat and a wuss. and then......become a doormat and a wuss as i dictate how it must be.

i mean, i am dealing with this shit with gorwn men. men i love. alll repugs. and i take care of their kids and them emotionally because they have no wife to do it for them. too many, dont have time for the shit. lol lol

on a rant. gonna have to get off computer, and get on with all the kids. day before, the first day of school. ya baby

yawl have a good one, ya here.

lol lol
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #117
130. LOL!
grown men---amazing, isn't it?

ya know, women have always stood up, just never got any notice for it, seems to me (I mean for example, we all know historians have always wilfully ignored women's contributions). Now, all these years of feminist efforts to change how women are treated has set the stage enough so that the many strong women standing up now are being PAID ATTENTION TO!

seems to me anyway.

I'll have a good one, thanks--you too! :hug: (visualize relaxing tomorrow. LOL! ;) )
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Freedomfried Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #130
154. He's drunk, with a gun and you worry about his "feelings"
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 06:45 PM by Freedomfried
No wonder you people have let the assholes take a second term.
You don't know how or when to fight.


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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #154
157. why are you addressing yourself to me specifically?
I wasn't addressing the issue of his feelings. Maybe something else is bothering you.
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Freedomfried Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #157
159. No, not at all anything personally to you, just kinda frustrated
Just think I know these types of people like "Larry" and I despise them.

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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #154
160. yeah, they make me incredibly angry. Really hard to deal with it.
I struggle with how angry this idiocy makes me. Not easy, its tempting to want to fight fire with fire, but it takes alot of wisdom to know when its at that last resort stage.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:50 AM
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95. how about this?? can you get his address>> how about if some of us
who can't get down there send soemthing that is a specialty from our home town down to ole larry??

like philly has specialitys..kansas city has specialties..ny has specialties.. of food..how about if we make larry a national food basket???

send our best and kindest wishes and make peace..for cindy and all who are down there??

iwould be happy to make a basket from here in nj!! and send it to him!!

kinda a out pouring from those who feel so strongly about freedom of speech and Cindy getting to protest bush unless he talks to her!

let larry know it is a hardship , but that somethings are worth standing up for , and after all ..all our kids in iraq are paying the real hardship!!

we can reach out and be a good neighbor...

let me know i will do it right away..if i have his address!!

pm me!!

i will gladly do nj/philly!!

fly
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:58 AM
Response to Reply #95
98. Count me too
Some California Cheese...

What is any of our other specialties, could see if Julian Pies ships... their apple pies are just killers
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:06 AM
Response to Reply #98
100. i can send some calf fries.....
rocky mountain oysters. calf balls, lol lol. seems to be a delicacies in the panhandle. i personally refuse to try even one.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #100
144. ickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!! n/t
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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:04 AM
Response to Reply #95
99. Don't have an address now
Will see if I can find one tomorrow - but it may be that Crawford is small enough it could be sent with just his name and city, state, zip.

I bet that just postcards from all over the country with apologies for his distress would be something he would treasure down the road.

Meanwhile everyone go add your name to a star for Cindy here:
http://www.newdemocracyrising.com/index.asp

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ecoflame Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:06 AM
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109. No, no postcards!
I don't think that's a good idea. It's as much if not MORE of an intrusion as he considers the people 'down the road.'

I grew up in a rural setting (Idaho) and lived elsewhere in hugely urban spots both in the U.S. and overseas. I am now BACK in my home state in an urban setting but with access to my dad's farm.

I do empathize with this guy; although the gun part is a bit much for me. The idea of a 'gift' (pie, whatever) and talking to him sound fine and leave it at that.

Calling him, emailing him, sending him letters or postcards is just more of the same causing his complaint now. Leave him alone. He's an irascible old fart who just wants to be left alone.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #109
120. the gun thing for rural Texas is not the affront or the immediate
I-have-serious-intent-to-harm-you-in-the-next-five-minutes threat that city people are making it out to be. Let's remember that this place is located somewhere between Waco and 1952. You've got the right of it; he just wants to be left alone.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #120
122. my kids shoot pellet guns in side yard
i have a neigbor that had over 58 guns, another that threatened him, you may be a crazy mother fucker, but your guns were taken, i still have mine and i am just as crzy. i mean, and i feel realitively safe. isnt that silly.

oh lordy i have been out of calif just too long. a whole new world.

EVERYONE knows how i feel about em. keeps em away from me. but......i know if shit was to happen in this country i am surrounded by males that will protect me, and know how to use a gun. kids included.

need to go to nm mountains, i know i will be fed.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #120
145. yeah, I agree and its a lot of city vs country
and too many want to go roaring in with the big city attitude of "hey man, you can't pull this crap on us"...when going in to "just talk for a spell" makes a hell of a lot more sense...or agreeing with him that "yeah, this is a shitty thing, man but ya gotta blame the man who coulda ended this weeks ago. We don't want to cause you any trouble."
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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #109
155. I thought about it some today
...while trying to get some paying work done and I think I agree with you.

Much easier for people on the ground to gauge his reactions and get a feel for what is or is not right to do than for us to try and come up with some plan from a distance.

I think I personally would prefer not to be involved in doing something that could backfire. He might like it and he might find it still another horrible intrusion. Without knowing him better, there is no way to know.

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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:22 AM
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102. What so many of you seem to be missing here...
Is the fact that Cindy DID try to talk to this drunken doofus... but he's in a shootin' mood, not a talkin' one, don't ya know...
MANY of us who have reacted with shock and anger are VERY peaceful folk, not knee-jerk reactionaries at all... but there are some people out there you just can't reason with, and Larry's a'lookin' not all that reasonable right from the git-go...
You wanna give him cakes and pies? Fine! Why don't you just take whatever stuff you were gonna use to support Cindy and give it to Loser Larry, the man who shoots first and then shoots some more later and won't LET you talk to him and threatens to bring all his green-toothed cousins in, along with a few pros from Dover, to show ya what REAL shooting is all about?... being so far from that action, it seems to me pretty easy to be all cuddly and hopeful that you can turn this guy around with a few peace offerings; but hey, you're welcome to try...
But a few of you suggested bringing him beer or even stronger drink, and this tells me something about the clarity of your thinking here...
We are NOT manufacturing fear where none existed previously. We are being reasonably cautious, cuz Larry came out of his house and started shooting his gun in a very deliberately threatening way... and he has NO LEGAL RIGHT to do that. The fact that no one's pressing charges against him YET is gift enough for his dumb ass, if you ask me.
I'm not sure just how a peaceful group of protesters some half a mile away from his house is causing him this great agony... and as I've stated before, if this legal sit-in of peaceful folk causes him such undue stress, well then what ELSE might get his dander up and get him reaching for his long-iron? Interracial marriage? Gay civil unions? Men sporting long hair? People who use three-plus-syllable words? Liberals eatin' sushi and smokin' them fancy machine-rolled cigarettes righ in HIS beloved drainage ditch?
And how far do you want to go to appease poor Larry in his confusion?
There are people camped down in that PUBLIC place with CHILDREN!!! And he's 'practicing' for dove season? Blasting away like a loose cannon and speaking in tongues?
There are LITTLE KIDS over there, folks... and Cindy tried to speak to this misunderstood redneck with a heart of gold, and was for some unguessable reason rebuffed... and even if I didn't KNOW that she'd tried and failed, honestly: do you REALLY think that none of those protesters haven't tried this approach already?
I wonder about some of you. You're giving poor ol' Larry such benefit of the doubt, and apparently treating those he was MENACING with a SHOTGUN as if they were indeed the goddamn troublemakers he sees them as...
I really, REALLY wish it WAS possible to reach out to EVERY insane delusional psycho gun-totin' hill-billy out there and heal them with a cake or a pie... but IS that really possible, or even plausible?
Not necessarily, Sarahlee...
But good luck in your effort anyway. I guess another attempt couldn't hurt.
If he repeats that performance even ONCE more, though, I'd personally like to see him put into a nice quiet rubber room to dry out for awhile.
At least til' the end of August.
And after all, dove-murdering season doesn't start til' September anyway.
d
ps: I really do hope that this one can still be turned from the Dark, Stupid Side of the Force... but he looks like a pretty old dog from the pics I've seen, so I'm not holding my breath.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #102
107. Well said!
When he INVITED his redneck buddies to join in the shooting spree, is when I became concerned. Bad enough he's out there drunk and shooting into the air along the fence line, but now he wants company? :eyes: Not sure if I want to even go up there now with this wacko inviting others to fight a war under the law. :scared: He may have just been drunk, but those redneck bush** supporters just might take him up on his invite whether you all make peace with him or not.
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #102
110. I agree with your post.. well said.
I logged off DU last night because of this whole debacle with Larry the good guy neighbor..

I do NOT think this guy has a heart of gold, I think he's a pissed off drunk guy that could potential do something stupid and get someone hurt.

Did no one else but be HEAR and LISTEN to when he said on CNN - he said it's Dove Season, and you know what I mean by that.

He is NOT talking about a bird, he is talking about the peace activits, get it.. dove, peace.. har har really NOT funny is it.

Sorry, I don't agree with taking him a pie, I agree with charging him with wreckless endagerment of a pile of kids standing over there.

We'll see how this plays out, but if Cindy tried to talk to him and it didn't work, listen to CINDY.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #110
112. Larry the good guy neighbor..
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 10:30 AM by seabeyond
this is making up a story, that makes it more of a challenge to communicate. i think you will hear everyone say, we dont know if larry is a good guy or a bad guy. that is where we are. we dont know if talking to the guy can allow him to be a good guy. what we are saying, is there is evidence that larry is not a bad guy. you and others seem to be telling me that is the position i must hold. larry is a bad guy. i say no. i dont know.

i dont know if larry is a good guy or a bad guy. dealing with texans and larrys for over a decade, i suggest that there might be a possibility to at least create a peace, adn that will be helpful to cindy

for anyone to object i say,.....why. you want anger. i do not. dont like it. assume larry is a bad guy. cool. i just dont have enough information to make that judgment. i need a little bit more proof before i condemn a man to badness. it seems we are a culture of immediate sinner... i say bah humbug

now, you want to stand away in a group of nontrusters, waiting.....for larry to explode. sure, go ahead. at this point i am not afraid of said explosion. i would be willing to walk to larry without fear

i am living across the street from a good ole boy texan, selling crank, pit bulls done wheelies on my yard,........ big name in town, he is the blacksheep, lives off a trust, and never gets in trouble. oh, and lots and lots of guns. we can co exist... to this point, working on a decade. with mutual respect.
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #112
114. I don't want anger.. I want people to stay away from him
and not make it worse. That's all I want.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #112
151. you can't tell if larry is a good guy or a bad guy
well i can tell

the dude is shooting off guns, threatening moms, kids, OUR people

if you can't figure out he's a bad guy, god help you

some rilly bad judgment being shown in this thread, it's quite jaw-dropping

take a clue train

if someone shoots at you, if he gets drunk & invites his buddies to shoot at you, that is the bad guy

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #102
123. You seriously believe the SS is going to allow 20 of his friends
come down to the property armed....

Ok....

Never mind some of these new found friends, just coming for dove sesaon, may be militia types who HATE the President, on principle... and I don't mean Bush, I mean the office, the insittution... and oh boy they would love the chance to come a picking it with the man from DC.

You really think that... if you do, you really DON'T undesrtand how the secret service and how the country side works.

By the way, how are we doing with them lousy elections in Rural America? These posts are a clear sign of exactly why we are loosing the country folk.

Now yuo think that appeasing is weakness, I am sure the Freepers will agree with you.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #102
125. I'll never condone using firearms while drinking,
and it's amazing that so many are trying to make excuses for this behavior. :crazy:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #125
127. I don't think anybody is condoning the use of a firearm while drunk
but at least some of us do undersatnd what the heck is going on....

So again I will ask, why are we not able to connect with people in the country side, you know the old country boys? Two different worlds, and from what I see here, we will keep looosing in the country side...

Heck if we move (mostly prices are getting insane for housing) to a more rural area I may try my hand at running on issues they care about... and making those connections... of course I will be a carpet bagger but oh well
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #127
131. I live in the foothills of the Appalachians
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 11:21 AM by notsodumbhillbilly
Two thirds of the county where I live is rural, and I know many good old country boys. There's a big difference between good old country boys and people who use firearms while drinking. The latter are dangerous, unstable people, and no one I know has any desire to connect with someone like that.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #131
138. You are right nobody does
you also live in the foothills so you do undersand to a point, where Larry is coming from.

True story, and I grew up in the city... but worked EMS in Tijuana Mexico, which is urban, rural, semi rural, you mention it, and we do have theoretically speaking, gun laws... nice theory, by the border right.

We used to get them Domestic Dispute calls on a regular basis, no we are not the cops, but somebody has to go pick up the pieces. Well we had a regular set of customers out there, took an hour to get there and durign the winter it took longer at night.

Well one of the neighboors, cranky old rancher, (if you can call him that way... but it works he was the head of the Ejido) hated cops, and hated us.. why we came streaming in the middle of the night lights and sirens... and we were good ol big city folks not letting him sleep. A couple times he was also drunk and racking a very ilegal shotgun... which nobody heard and nobody saw... self preservation. Not even the local cops, becuase as one of them put it, you leave, we have to live with this SOB and the folks down by teh Ejido, they follow him.

Now they could have taken him in for weapons violations, but in the middle of nowhere the coyotes are also a good justification to have that there... so we eneded up doing what many are proposing with Larry, and we even got him a nice family dinner...

As to our regular customers, finally we managed to convnce the wife to leave the hubby and take the kids... after hubby did some major things... lovely ain't it.. but that is all I could do as a medic

As I said, right now it is not about inviting him for a Barbeque all the time, just smoothing things out, until we all leave, whether it if physical or in spirit... heck if all it takes (I hope) are some pies, and the promise that the ditch will be in better shape when we leave than when we got there, I am all for it and then Larry can go hunt doves, it is in september you know... the atual season that is...
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #102
150. a voice of sanity
god bless you, dxstone

i was starting to wonder if i'd stumbled into bizarro-land

anybody who thinks a drunk w. a gun is someone to be reasoned w. is
out of their sweet everlovin mind

don't be putting our people in harm's way w. idiotic suggestions abt strolling up to the grizzly bear w. pecan pie





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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:23 AM
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103. Very Wise Advice!!
Boy I'm telling you, when my Buddhist teacher says it is women who have always been in the forefront of peace, I'm seeing it in action now.

I thought it was significant that for the past few years he's been especially emphasizing the need and importance of respecting women's human dignity and listening to women, but I also thought it was just because he saw how destructive all the misogyny in the world is.

I live in the country, by the way, after 40 years in the suburbs. You;re absolutely right on.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 09:46 AM
Response to Reply #103
108. I agree FizzFuzz
I think there is a lot of city vs country here too...all the more reason to at least try reach out!

Peace
DR
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #108
124. I grew up in the city
I live in the city, and hell I undersand this... but I have also worked in semi rural areas in another country, and I do undesrtand the concerns... it is amazing how universal Larry's complaints are...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:25 AM
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111. What troubled me about the whole exchange with Larry was
..not simply the drunken (?) frustrated shooting, it was the DOVE HUNTING SEASON comment. Hawks and doves?? People do not use the terms as much anymore, but it was the way to describe the pro- and anti-war crowds back in the day.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it...but I didn't go for that remark.

I say continue to try to kill him with kindness, but don't go too far out of your way. He is not the focus of the effort, the chimp is.

Maybe Lance will take a wrong turn when he takes the boyking out for a bike ride....
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #111
126. September IS Dove Huntuin Deason in that area of the
country and most folks who go dove hunting USE shotguns with Bird shot...

So yes you are reasdying way too much into it
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:22 AM
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133. Maybe so
But I'm thinking that ole Larry is about the right age to remember those Hawk v. Dove definitions well...and he may be taking the occasion of the season to make another point.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:33 AM
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139. He may but my dear you are readhing way too much into it
you are
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:09 PM
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152. this is august
ticket him for out of season hunting then

it was purely & plainly a threat and intended to be

sorry, i live in the country, this is not city vs. country

this is common sense vs. naivete

i've seen more guns fired in the city than in the country, by the by, drunks w. guns are not just good country people, they are drunks w. guns

it is incredibly insulting & patronizing to DECENT country people who don't run around getting drunk & shooting up things to pretend that this is normal behavior for country folk

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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:31 AM
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115. he looks like a uglified Kenny Rogers so offer him a case of Keystone to
serenade Bush with "The Coward of Crawford"
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:38 AM
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121. No don't give this guy more booze.... egads.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:52 PM
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149. Yeah that's just what he needs.
:eyes: I wouldn't turn my back on that good ole boy for a minute.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:34 AM
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118. Yep. Make friends with him stead of make a country martyr out of him.
Don't give the other side a frustrated property rights poster boy.
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watercolors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:08 AM
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129. Good post, I agree
I thought about his situation and I can see his point. This is a good opportunity to extend an apology and ask what can be done to ease the situation for him. After it is explained we cannot leave till it is over.
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MikeNY Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:31 AM
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136. The guy seems deranged, no hope in sight
Shooting a gun off in a busy area, even if it was on his property, shows that he is probably mentally unstable. Maybe he was caught up in the moment, this probably the most people he's seen in his life, and they're not driving pickup trucks. His rant on the news seemed like he was incoherant rambling about porta-potties, etc. Maybe he's a tired old man who doesn't want to have all of this commotion on his farmland, but then again he is also getting compensated for allowing news media on his property. He is potentially deranged and he is probably extremely conservative I dont see how any liberals could get through to him
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:33 AM
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140. If some of you want to then go right ahead.
Count me out. I doubt if this admitted redneck would want to be friendly with me.
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:42 PM
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146. His response in the interview about ...
"Getting ready for DOVE hunting season", made me wonder.

dove1 (dŭv)
n.
Any of various widely distributed birds of the family Columbidae, which includes the pigeons, having a small head and a characteristic cooing call.
A gentle, innocent person.
A person who advocates peace, conciliation, or negotiation in preference to confrontation or armed conflict.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:46 PM
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147. you funny
i think if someone goes onto his property w. baked goods they risk getting shot at worst, arrested for trespassing at best

dude's a crazy

i've lived in the country plenty, it is so not true that folks in the country just go around shooting off their guns as a normal method of communicating

the dude means to threaten & you pretend not to notice he's a psycho at yr own peril
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:13 PM
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153. I sympathize with him
In general, I love living in DC. And I moved here knowing that you have to put up with a lot of irritations that people in other cities don't have to deal with. But I can still get annoyed when protestors tie up traffic or a caravan for some diplomant causes a commotion or a helicopter of some kind or another buzzes the neighborhood at 7 AM on a Saturday.

If I was living in the middle of nowhere in Texas and these distractions showed up at my front door uninvited, I would truly be angry.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 09:07 PM
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158. I sort of agree
I'm not from Texas but I was born and raised in the South (been in California Bay Area now for nearly 35 years).

I could tell right away that LM was no Bushie. Mostly he's just a regular guy, used to a quite texas ranch lifestyle - and all this commotion with the prez and the secret service and the media is a constant thorn in his side. after all, the media is lavishing attnetion to these outsiders, and no one has paid him any attention as a life long resident and neighbor, no one asks his opinion about a damn thing. 'can't get no damn respect' and he wants some attention paid to him.

can't say that I blame him but he needs to be reasoned with when it comes to firing off a few rounds, even if it is in the air.


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