How many here think the War on Terror *itself* is bull---t?

[DerekG]

Since I'm more anti-statist than liberal, I admit to harboring an admiration for the isolationists in the early post-war era, whether they be lefties (Henry A. Wallace) or rightists (Senator Robert Taft). How frustrating it must have been, bearing witness as the Cold War liberals in the Democratic Party (Truman, Humphrey, Stevenson) and the Republican hawks (Nixon, McCarthy) used the dreaded Red Menace as the impetus for transforming our republic into a goddamn empire.

Well, the great lie that was The Cold War served its purpose for 45 years; now, the military-industrial complex has succeeded in convincing yet another generation of gullible Americans that perpetual war is the way to go. (You might want to ask John Q. Public why social democracies like Canada and Sweden don't get into these conflagrations. And how does one win a war on terror, exactly?)

The majority of Republicans fancy Iraq to be elemental to the War on Terror (or don't care).

The majority of Democrats think Iraq is a diversion from the War on Terror.

You know what? Iraq IS the War on Terror, because the whole thing is a wet dream for military contractors and captains of industry. We're intended to live with this farce until economic collapse.

End of rant.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

1. You cannot fund terror yourself, be in bed with people who also fund

terror, and fight terror all at once. Someone will call you on your hypocrisy and your moral high ground will turn into a pile of sh*t.

[William769]

2. Biggest pile of shit I have ever seen.

[pox americana]

3. Total baloney.

Now watch this swing.

[Solon]

4. I agree, this is a war against a tactic...

used by a small group of people. To me, this is like having a war against war.

[Copperred]

5. ....come on..

The war on terror is a complete and total fabrication.

[Solly Mack]

6. pure bovine caca

[G_j]

26. a steaming mountain of it...

[Union Thug]

7. I think it's justification for dominating the mid-east.

And more specifically, what remains of the world's dinosaur juice. It's a way to push Russia and China off the superpower map and to establish western corporate dominance globally and irrefutabley.

So yeah, the war on terror itself is BS. These people (bush and his corporatist buddies) don't give a shit about terrorism. It's all about economy and profits.

[Poiuyt]

8. Of course it's bullshit

First of all, Iraq had nothing to do with the attack of 9/11. Even Bush will tell you that. The only reason Bush wanted to start the Iraqi War is so that he can say that he's a "war president." He knew that the country would rally around him and he would be able to push his right wing agenda through Congress (so far it's worked).

The 9/11 attacks should have been approached like a police matter. That's what the British did and they caught everyone within weeks. Where's Osama bin Laden? Bush tries to fight like it's WWI and has achieved nothing except a lot of dead people and a destabilized country.

[DanCa]

9. I think it is just a way of scarring people to vote for the chimp

It's a psychological shell game for the rubes.

[DerekG]

11. Yeah, but it's a bi-partisan effort

The Cold War was launched by liberals; and rest assured, the New Democrats will be droning on about terrorists and security for decades.

[madeline_con]

38. Yep, Cheny told us we'd all die if we voted for Kerry...

and I cannot BELIEVE people fell for it!

[DanCa]

39. And I think that they invented the color code sytem to get the treker vote

:D :D

[madeline_con]

41. Could it have been more ambiguous?

Yellow to orange for crissake.

[Jara sang]

10. Total bullshit

The only people who think we are fighting a "war on terror" are the easily deceived American populace.

[Porcupine]

12. It's a con job from start to finish.

Either the BFEE LIHOP or MIHOP but the whole thing keyholes too neatly into the Project for a New American Century playbook.

Terrorism was an isolated low impact phenonenom outside of the middle east prior to 9-11-01. Now we know that the FBI had ample opportunity to catch the supposed terror cell but warnings by feild agents were declined. On that particular day the largest, most sophisticated air force in the world proved unable to protect the nations capital.

For all of these failings: NOT A SINGLE HIGH LEVEL PERSON WAS FIRED!!! That's right we decided to play the series with the B team.

Now we are losing the war in Iraq and the BFEE tells us that we're "making progress." Well the only progress I see is in the profits of oil companies.

Nuff said. Where's my damn tinfoil hat.

[Rex]

13. War on terror, drug, poverty, etc...

We're still slaves.

[Just Me]

14. I ALWAYS knew the "war on terror" was an excuse to profiteer,...

,...the multi-national corporacrats. Well, honestly, I knew such a "war" was irrational in terms of "freedom", "democracy", "justice" and "equality",...but, later discovered the profiteering rationale pursued by soul-less, exploiters of humanity who really do NOT GIVE A DAMN ("WE DON'T CARE") about all the honorable and noble causes that this country and all good people hold dear.

THEY DON'T CARE!!!!

[sintax]

15. It is a front for securing the Resources of the world;

for justifying continued spending from the controllers of the US represented by Cheney-Rumsfeld, that being the Pentagon.

For keeping the domestic servants from noticing the plight of there own situation(s), control of the peasantry

And of course the natural outgrowth of Racism

Seeing things and remaining quiet about them will change nothing, not even ourselves. But saying things - having the courage to testify to our own forbidden knowledge - could be the way the world changes.



9-11 got branded
9-11 got sold

[LibertyorDeath]

16. When the USSR ( Communism)broke apart they needed a new boogie man

How the hell else are they gonna justify a half trillion $ military
budgets to people in the only G8 nation in the world not to have National Health Care.

America's Military Machine costs Major Major Tax payer $$$$
They need an enemy without one the party's over.

"Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death." -- Adolf Hitler

[Freedomfried]

17. Amen Brother, its all a fabricated bullshit drill

its called a "protection racket",straight out of the mafia handbook

[Just Me]

35. PRECISELY!!! The profiteers FOUND another means of exploitation,...

,...of humanity. They really are freakin' evil fucks!!! :grr:

[stillcool]

18. The biggest ad-campaign...

and not a very good one. i'm continually amazed at how very unbelievable much of the bullshit coming from the corporate media is. i would be more insulted but the stupidity brings hope somehow.

[Donailin]

19. It is bullshit, yet it is the one excuse for perpetual war that can never

be questioned. The bad guys may get us -- who knows when they'll strike next, that's why we must invade: afghansitan, Iraq, Iran, Syria. . etc. All the while we are invading these countries for their resources and for the financial security of Americas corporate interests. And at the same time, pad the pckets of the war machine at the expense of our national treasure, our national health, our national security, our national unity, our sons and daughters, and our democracy itself.

The people who have waged this war, and who have destabilized all of mankind will pay one day, and I hope I live to see it. All throughout history we know one thing -- evil ALWAYS cowers in the dark and in secret until it does itself in. Goodness and righteousness always shines in the light of day and overcomes the evil.

[madeline_con]

40. They are the Dr. Frankensteins of their own demise.

No one in the world believes what they're doing is the right thing except them.

They misunderestimated the intelligence of the whole world.

[Kire]

20. Salvador Dali did

in his way

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=282x661

[dweller]

21. ...

:kick:



dp

[Triana]

22. *raises hand*

youbetcha! It's fake. But then I'm MIHOP/LIHOP too. I thought the 'war on drugs' was a bunch of bullshit too.

It's a tool for politicians and little else. Total crap.

[annabanana]

23. might as well be "War on Post-Impressionism"

or
"War on Ennui"

It always WAS a nonsense phrase

[Redstone]

24. Bullshit.

There are evil people out there, and they'd be just as happy to kill you, your parents, and your kids, just because you're American. Don't think for a minute that tha'ts not true.

The evils of bushyboy and his puppetmasters are bad enough, but they are NOT the only evils in the world.

Redstone

[LSK]

46. yes there are some bad CRIMINALS out there

But there is no justification for a "war" when it is just an intelligence and police investigation.

[Mich Otter]

25. PermaWar

It is about keeping Americans perpetually afraid of some boogie-man so we will keep paying the big bucks to the industrial/military establishment. It sure has worked like a charm, hasn't it? We had the "War on Communism", the "Drug War", and now, "The War on Terrorism".
It is called PermaWar. They do not end soon. But we can keep paying for it.
Just think, as long as the money is going to support the PermaWar, there will never be any money to get health care for all Americans.

[bvar22]

27. From the START

The MIC and the Global Corporate Supremacists could NEVER let the American People collect their Peace Dividend!!

Remember the Peace Dividend?
Did you get yours?

[William Bloode]

28. Of course it's bull.

It's a war against a abstract notion, nothing tangible. You can't fight and win a war against an abstract notion period.

[Gay Green]

29. Utter male cattle dung!

The BFEE never could have been able to justify the War On Freedom, the War On Afghanistan and the War On Iraq as "Thuh Woh uhn Terra" unless a certain "catastrpohic, catalysing event" was allowed to happen on purpose (911 = LIHOP).

< on edit: forgot one "to" and one "the" >

[libertypirate]

30. Nothing more then a public relations campaign, with explosives. nt

[leesa]

31. Without a doubt. Can't wage war against terrorism...it's a technique

It's a money-making deal just like the bogus War on Drugs and the bogus War on Communism...all designed to sell and display arms, and topple governments to steal their resources. Totally bogus, start to finish.

[madeline_con]

32. When you're the Prez, Daddy was a Prez who was also CIA ...

and you're backed by the PNAC, you can create a lot of "terror" all over the world and make it look like some other guy did it.

'nuff said.

[evilqueen]

33. Let's cut through the bullshit and call it what it really is.

IMHO, this is a Wealthy v. Poor war. It always has been.

The rich exploit workers, the environment, natural resources, and every damned other thing... for their own enrichment. And they don't care who suffers for it, as long as it isn't them.

[Wizard777]

34. The utilization of Trotsky in Bush's Reinventionist war.

Al Gore invented the internet and Bush has reinvented fiddling while Rome Burned, The Cuban Missile Crisis, World War II, The League of Nations, Theory of Preemptive Strike, and now he's trying to reinvent war it's self. Terrorist is a political tactic. Yes the Nation has seen Terrorism before. Harry J. Anslinger is the first American Terrorist. Harry J. Anslinger had the dubious task of making Americans live in mortal fear of a harmless weed that even George Washington and Thomas Jefferson grew. He was the man that made marijuana a dirty word to be feared by all. What is new about 9/11 is that Americans aren't really use to people outside of our Government using terrorism against us. Yes we have seen organizations like Al Qaida before. Their official Military Designation would be Mercenaries. But if you call them what they are. Mercenaries, as in have war will travel if the price is right. Then the next question is. Who hired them? That is where the tables turn. Instead of Bush continuously telling America to be afraid. Be very afraid. Once America starts asking that question and demanding an answer. That is when it's time for "The Family" (Bush and Bin Laden) to be afraid. To be very afraid of treason charges and other serious prosecutions.

[not systems]

36. It is a frame to limit debate and cash checks for...

well conected crooks.

[sue_66]

37. of course!

Total BS, with big profits for friends of Bush

[yowzayowzayowza]

42. Present.

n/t

[Maraya1969]

43. The "War on Terror" is just a marketing device. If it was real then Bush

caused it because he was the first one to say the sentence. So Bush started the war on terror.

There was no War on Terror when Clinton was President.

It was started by a man who likes to execute people, hunt animals for sport and play war games as long as he is not the one fighting. He is bloodthirsty.

[LSK]

44. of course it is

Just like the cold war was before it. Military industrial complex. Eisenhower warned us when he left office. Looks like his warning has come ture.

[Vektor]

45. We've declared war on an emotion.

Stupidest thing ever, really.

[Sperk]

47. It's more like "war on totally pissed off people who are sick of us

supporting their corrupt leaders, putting our bases on their land and all over the world and entering their land with world bankers to totally bankrupt their countries so we can steal their natural resourses or in the case of Iraq, invade to do so"

I guess war on "terror" IS catchier though

[wli]

48. of course it's pure bulls**t n/t

[niallmac]

49. Hey! Theres no one to argue with in this thread!

Everybody agrees war on terror or Georgies Most Excellent Adventure is bovine caca.

[kentuck]

50. How come no Democratic politicians are calling it bullshit ??

Can we be so far left that we are the only people in America that thinks this??

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

51. It's total bullshit. The war on terror has been created so that the

sociopaths can try to keep America blinded with fear. Screw them.

[hootinholler]

52. Oh No, the terrists are real...

Funded by illegal drug trade run by black operatives, whilst the taxpayer is fleeced by the likes of Halliburton who are playing chase your tail in the middle of *'s wag the dog operation.

Then there's the 7 BILLION cash that evaporated and the 1 Billion documented fraudulent charges.

Our share of the fare for Mr Toad's wild ride is like 30K a pop the last I checked.

-Hoot

[Turn CO Blue]

53. War on Terror. War on Drugs. War on Crime. All bullshit.

Each of them is/was merely the psy-op operation du jour -- used to stir up the emotion-based masses, and to engage in sneaky tactics to make lots more $$$ and increase power for organized criminals, spy agencies, bigshots, war profiteers, the haves and the have-mores.

When oh when is there going to be a figurative full-scale global War on Poverty, War on Hunger, War on Intolerance, War on Illiteracy, and War on Ignorance?

That would solve the need for the first three "wars" I mentioned.

[shanti]

54. yes

just like the "war on drugs". unwinable and used for ulterior sinister motives by the "bad guys".

[Spider Jerusalem]

55. Of course the whole thing is nonsense.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is either stupid or ignorant. Terrorism is just the latest bogeyman; we had 'evil of Communism' justifying nearly fifty years of bloated military budgets, keeping millions of troops under arms and deployed, and wars all over the globe in the name of freedom and democracy, from Korea to Grenada; now terrorism will serve the same purpose.

[WillyT]

56. What You Said... EXACTLY !!!

Couldn't agree more.

:nuke:

[mogster]

57. I! *raise hand*

The 'war' on terror is a fake ;-)

[ScreamingMeemie]

58. One cannot win a battle against emotion.

n/t

[Skittles]

59. I have always felt the "war on terror" is a big giant phony piece of crap

it's like declaring a "war on murder"

besides, war IS terrorism

[kiki]

60. Yo.

Went to see a punk band recently, and they had a philosophical little number that summed up my feelings perfectly. I believe the chorus went:

Stick the war on terror
Stick the war on terror
Stick the war on terror
Up your arse.

[seeker4ever]

61. It's an idiotic, simplistic, dumb ass, insult to your intelligence!

Stupid fuck may as well declare War on an Emotion. Amazing thing? Look at the millions of stupid fucks that lap It up like cheap beer and cigarettes!

[Q]

62. The Bush government did nothing to stop 9-11...

...and now we can see why. The Neocons and Neodems had waited a long time for something like Pearl Harbor to happen again. It was only a coincidence that the PNAC documents predicted what would happen and how much they could accomplish in expanding the military if such an attack did occur.

It can't be proven that the Bushies allowed 9-11 to happen for their own benefit. But all the evidence after the fact shows that it's a good theory.

-------------

Jefferson: Against Standing Armies

"There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors that those governors, whether legislative or executive, should be restrained from keeping such instruments on foot but in well-defined cases. Such an instrument is a standing army." --Thomas Jefferson to David Humphreys, 1789. ME 7:323

"I do not like the omission of a Bill of Rights providing clearly and without the aid of sophisms for... protection against standing armies." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. ME 6:387
"Nor is it conceived needful or safe that a standing army should be kept up in time of peace for ." --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Annual Message, 1801. ME 3:334

"Standing armies inconsistent with freedom and subversive of their quiet." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to Lord North's Proposition, 1775. Papers 1:231
"The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force." --Thomas Jefferson to Chandler Price, 1807. ME 11:160

"A distinction between the civil and military which it would be for the good of the whole to obliterate as soon as possible." --Thomas Jefferson: Answers to de Meusnier Questions, 1786. ME 17:90

"It is nonsense to talk of regulars. They are not to be had among a people so easy and happy at home as ours. We might as well rely on calling down an army of angels from heaven." --Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1814. ME 14:207
"There shall be no standing army but in time of actual war." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776. Papers 1:363

"The Greeks and Romans had no standing armies, yet they defended themselves. The Greeks by their laws, and the Romans by the spirit of their people, took care to put into the hands of their rulers no such engine of oppression as a standing army. Their system was to make every man a soldier and oblige him to repair to the standard of his country whenever that was reared. This made them invincible; and the same remedy will make us so." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1814. ME 14:184

"Bonaparte... transferred the destinies of the republic from the civil to the military arm. Some will use this as a lesson against the practicability of republican government. I read it as a lesson against the danger of standing armies." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Adams, 1800. ME 10:154

http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1480.htm

[Talismom]

63. I definitely do! The military/industrial complex and it's supporters

have been looking for a replacement for soviet communism to use as the threat that stirs up fear and allows them to launch wars and cut-back on civil liberties. All of this is for the purpose of profits and power. The biggest terrorists, as far as I'm concerned, are the current "rulers" (syndicate thugs!) who took over the US in a corporate funded coup in 2000 and repeated it again in 2002 and 2004.

[libhill]

64. Perpetual war

requires a perpetual enemy. Now that the communist menace is more or less moribund, it has to be replaced with something, doesn't it?

[Lost4words]

65. Its Bullshit! I fear Bushes America more than any terrorists.

dimson has done more damage to me and my family than any terrorists ever could. The REAL threats to our country are in the broadcast booth of MSM and at 1600 Pennsylvania.

Save our country eliminate the American taliban!

[TransitJohn]

66. Add me to the list

You ever notice that Orwell was spot on, right on down to the two minutes' hate?

[movie_girl99]

67. it's all bullshit

it was a sell-able excuse that many Americans were stupid enough to believe.

[libhill]

71. And still do - go figure?

n/t

[Pacifist Patriot]

68. Utter bullshit.

Anyone truly committed to eradicating terrorism would go after the root causes -- poverty, inequity, disrespect, arrogance, etc.

A "war of terror" is as idiotic a statement and an endeavor as a "war on drugs." Neither is a war and neither can be won. They are social issues requiring a commitment to compassion and human rights.

[Joe Chi Minh]

69. In the immortal words

of John Pilger: "There is no war on terrorism. If there was, the Royal Marines and the SAS would be storming the beaches of Florida, where more CIA-funded terrorists, ex-Latin American dictators and torturers, are given refuge than anywhere on earth".!!!!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=11392430&method=full

You've got to laugh at their shameless gall, terrible as the subject is...

[Joe Chi Minh]

70. Isn't terrrorism an abstract noun?

Now, why on earth would that be....? Because it's abstract? No, surely not.

Oh no, it's a war on Terror, isn't it? Oh, I see. A war, a fierce, pitiless and bloody war against an emotion... Ah, it's all becoming clear now. The scales are falling from my eyes.

Oh, Ho.. hold on...! (as the man said on the audiofile) Isn't this an asymmetric war that conventional armies can never win, when the civilian population supports the resistance fighters? Surely, not...

[libhill]

72. The War on Terror

is a money making racket for Halliburton and other Repuke favored Corporations, and Halliburton and their stock holders are the only people who have gained anything from this war. Osama is probably dead, and Al Quaida never existed.