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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:56 PM
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Regret, Repent, Repair (For Mopaul & Others w/Bush Voting Relatives)
I'm preaching for one of the smartest things I ever learned about Forgiveness: We forgive others because it benefits US.

So, I will start this post by stating that I believe we should FORGIVE those who voted for Bush, and welcome them back into the fold -- but not without them doing something about the problem THEY helped create.

You see, forgiving others does NOT mean there are no consequences for their actions.

The previous Pope was shot. He publicly and privately forgave the person who shot him, but NEVER requested he be released from prison. The consequence of aiming a gun and shooting it at a person was prison. Forgiveness did NOT mean a release from CONSEQUENCES.

One of the most difficult things I have had to learn was how to "forgive" acts of physical violence perpetrated by those who claimed to love me. I had been raised with the story of "forgive them seventy times seven times", and believed this with all of my heart -- AND I loved the ones who were doing it to me. A very wise person pointed out the teachings I was attempting to emulate were also telling me TO LOVE MYSELF, and that if I loved myself, then I would *NOT* put myself in a place where physical abuse could occur. I could love the folks who were doing it, and I could forgive them their transgression -- BUT THAT DIDN'T MEAN I NEEDED TO BE AROUND THEM.

To love and forgive someone FROM A DISTANCE was one of the most important lessons I have ever learned. For all abuse victims everywhere, I encourage them to emulate this ideal: Love yourself, and love your perpetrators FROM A DISTANCE.

But when someone truly seems to be sorry for what they have done, and they want things to be better, what then? That is where "Regret, Repent & Repair" comes into the picture.

When someone who has perpetrated acts of violence (or stupidity) against you (or your country) gets to the point where they TRULY REGRET what they have done, I believe it is incumbent on all of us to offer them a chance to REBUILD the relationship.

But its not free. There are consequences, and if someone TRULY wishes to make amends, then I suggest "Regret, Repent & Repair."

Regret -- where the person acknowledges they have done something wrong, and apologizes for it.

Example: "I am sorry I voted for Bush. I was wrong."

Repent -- where the person promises to do better next time.

Example: "I will not be supportive of Bush and his agenda any longer."

Repair -- where the person DOES SOMETHING to REPAIR the relationship.

Example: "I will put an anti-Bush bumper sticker on my car. I will phone bank for a Democratic candidate during the next election. I will write a letter to my local paper expressing my dissatisfaction with Bush and his administration. Etc..."

If someone truly wants to REPAIR a broken relationship, I believe they should be offered the opportunity to do so. Give them a specific "do this" task. (Only you can determine what you need them to do; be reasonable, please, and make it something attainable.) It is a concrete way of SHOWING they are sorry. If they aren't willing to do it, you can still forgive them, but remember this:

You can love them from a distance, too, and a hearty "F*CK Y*U" is something you can always repent about later.

:)
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:57 PM
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1. Agreed. I think we need to get back to loving others despite
their differences rather than hating them because of them. (However, I am not sure I could do this with ** and cabal. But with regular joe RWers I will and do. I have to, they count for a lot of my friends and family.)
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:50 PM
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21. Are we becoming neocon hugging liberals now? n/t
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:01 PM
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2. Seconded and recommended.
:hi: Ida. You rock.

NGU.


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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:04 PM
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3. Thank you!
:blush: :hug:
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:16 PM
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4. I agree, but I don't foresee this ever happening in my family.
They all have too much invested in being "right" all the time. It will never happen. I can only think of one instance of my mother ever saying, "I'm sorry" and it wasn't for voting for * or supporting people like Rush, Hannity, etc.

So, we muddle along as best we can.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:33 PM
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8. True, they need to regret before you can ask them to repent and repair.
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 02:51 PM by ClassWarrior
NGU.


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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:11 PM
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9. It's just the way it is. I only have the power to change myself--
and even that's pretty hard right now.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:12 PM
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11. If they have no Regret, then there is no Repent --
and thus, no Repair. I'm sorry, Ladyhawk. If they don't think they did anything wrong, then its time to "love them from a distance" if they are abusive to you (i.e., being rude or obnoxious about their Bush support -- you know the boundaries you need for you).

This advice is only good for those who want to fix things and CARE about the quality of their relationships with you. If you are forced to deal with folks who have no respect for you, I can only offer my sympathy and support.

:hug:

P.S. If you are actually dealing with "respectful Republicans" then Yeah! No judgment from me; just generic comments. :)
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:22 PM
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14. Nope. They were fascist when fascism wasn't cool.
I'm afraid their basic beliefs are radically different from mine. It's really hard because deep down, I still love my family. If I didn't, then it wouldn't be hard. I could just let it go.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:46 PM
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18. Sympathy...
Big :hug:
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:18 PM
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5. awesome post...
forgive, but don't forget... :) and prosecute whenever possible...
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:14 PM
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12. Thank you -- I support the "forgive and forget -- unless
I need to remember" school of thought. People who are always surprised when idiots continue to behave like idiots are kind of ... ANNOYING. (You know the ones I mean!) But prosecutable crimes are entirely different. I hope Fitzgerald comes through! :)
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:24 PM
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15. Great post on forgiveness
I remember when I figured this out, and life became immensely easier.
As to "forgive and forget" I don't forget a damn thing. When a relative who had made amends gently chided me for forgiving but not forgetting, I told her it was wrong to ask me to forget my life. Everything, including transgressions, made me who I am today.

And more directly on this post's subtopic: forgiveness is not a legal remedy. I agree --prosecute when appropriate!


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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:23 PM
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6. Great post.
This is something I have only very recently come to understand about forgiveness. You expressed it much more eloquently that I have been able to and I think it's fitting for the situation with those who, by voting for *, have contributed to the problem more than others.

Lovely post. :thumbsup:
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:15 PM
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13. Thank you!
:blush: :hug:
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:28 PM
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7. Very nice, Ida.
Thanks!

FSC
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 05:40 PM
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17. You are welcome!
:)
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:27 PM
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10. Forgive them - BUT INSIST THEY STOP VOTING FOR REPUBLICANS
Sorry for voting for bush -- but waiting to go vote for the next lying republican. . .

They need to be taught that it is not just Bush.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:47 PM
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19. Agreed! nt
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 05:30 PM
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16. Thank you so so so much, Ida.
You summed up my feelings perfectly, and more coherent than I ever could have. Of course there's room for Bush voters, the more the better, but there has to be a little give on their end, too. Every action has consequences.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:47 PM
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20. You are welcome!
And thank you for the nice compliments! :)
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 10:13 AM
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22. Final Kick from Me. nt
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