Bolton visits Judy: "Just two potential Plamegate sources shooting the ...

[understandinglife]

.... breeze.

Maybe they swapped notes on Pat Fitzgerald (Judy: “He really got mad when I wouldn’t tell him what he wanted...” Bolton: “...and they say I’ve got a temper!”) (laughter all around)

Or maybe they just talked about old times, when Bolton was reportedly a regular source for Miller’s WMD and national security reports.

Just two potential Plamegate sources shooting the breeze.

For anyone who doesn’t find this jailhouse get-together highly UN-usual, please give me the name of the journalist who, in or out of jail, would get a visit from John Bolton. Other than Bob Novak.

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From The Judy File: Miller’s UN-likely Visitor by Arianna Huffington on August 15, 2005

Link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/arianna-huffington/the-judy-file-millera_5687.html

when !'m finally able to get up off the floor, I may have a comment or two on this.....


Peace.

[Lecky]

1. They are pals supposedly

She's used him as a source a few times...

[ironman202]

6. who was using whom?

Some might say bolton used her like a toilet...

[Lecky]

16. Good question

I can't answer that...

[ClintonTyree]

34. The entire administration has used her..........

like a toilet, yet she's reluctant to tell what she knows in connection to the Plame case. She and the bushies are joined at the hip, each as vile and dirty as the other.
Why the NYT hangs on to this right wing hack is beyond me. She's pretty much flipped them the bird, but they continue to cover up for her as much as they can. They ought to distance themselves from this albatross but they don't. I wonder what she has on them?

[seemslikeadream]

36. That's the Rimmington Repeater

[The Witch]

omg.

:wow:

[bear425]

2. The unbelievable hubris of every one of the criminals in this

misadministration! Hopefully, someone overheard the conversation and is willing to talk about it.

[htuttle]

8. It probably would have been taped

Bolton is not her attorney. In my experience, all non-attorney conversations in jail (like at visitations) are taped or monitored.

[electropop]

33. Unless he's her lawyer

(and how insane would she be to choose him) the Feds have every right to record their conversation. Hopefully they did.

[SharonRB]

48. LOL

That was my first thought, as well.

[blm]

3. Sounds like they're getting their stories co-ordinated.

.

[MADem]

59. Either that, or he was in THREAT REFRESHER mode

Keep your mouth shut honey, or you could be in for the mother of all blanket parties!!!

It's one thing to be a sleazy reporter who feeds admin bullshit to the NYT and calls it news, it is quite another to be behind bars with no end in sight and your pals warning you to take the hit for the team, or else.

I swear, she probably believes that if she sings, she has an accident. I sure as hell would think that, even if I were a sleazy neocon mouthpiece for print media!!!

[ET Awful]

4. What the hell?

I wonder what they're cooking up.

[nookiemonster]

5. Maybe he gave her a "moustache ride".

in addition to cooking up an alibi

:silly:

eom

[Lochloosa]

17. Please...not before dinner

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[nookiemonster]

23. I know. I should've posted a warning.

That could probably hurt her. Just sayin'



Just pokin' a little fun because he's an asshole.

Not making light of the Bolton/Judy meeting.

:silly:

[SeattleVet]

39. He looks like the evil twin

of Captain Kangaroo.

[Lochloosa]

67. Poking and asshole....

please stop...:puke:

[Roland99]

70. LOL!

I needed that!

[Scout1071]

7. Aren't such conversations recorded?

[Just Me]

28. If he's a suspect, I'd say such a meeting is totally illegal.

I am just stunned by this information!!!!

[Horse with no Name]

38. I can't believe it either

and just think about all the right wingers who had their panties in a wad when they let all of the suspects ride together in Aruba on the way to jail(even though it was a deliberate attempt to tape what was being said between the co-conspirators).
I believe that letting two people who are in the middle of an investigation meets the same criteria, so where are the right wingers screaming about this?
Oh wait. They aren't outraged when their side does it.

[Just Me]

41. I cannot wrap my mind around what possessed Bolton to do this.

Is he completely off his rocker nuts or so confident about being shielded from legal action that he would visit his co-conspirator? ACK!

[gkhouston]

55. you're looking for rational thought in a non-rational person

but damn, that was stupid. And with the NYT making "let her out" noises... Somebody is worried that Judy is about to squawk. Please let it be so...

[Burried News]

9. Judy is bait. A fish has been hooked. An unholy Mackerel.

They are incredibly desparate. If she talks they are done for?
Was a Presidential pardon discussed.
Shine the light and call the Game Warden.

[alkaline9]

10. let me get this straight...

...Bolton can take time from his UN job to visit someone who is in JAIL for obstructing justice... but shrub can't take time from his vacation to talk to the mother of a fallen soldier?

this just keeps gettin better!

[Mr Rabble]

Sure, but what about Aruba?

How is everyone still asleep?

[xxqqqzme]

11. wonder why this wasn't covered by

CMC? They let us know how long she has been locked because of her 'principles'.

[Sperk]

12. surely Bolton knows that all of Judy's visits would be taped...

I'm wondering if her conversations with her attorney could be taped also, thanks to the PATRIOT ACT :shrug:

[xxqqqzme]

14. there will probably be a malfunction

or the tape will B accidently erased.

[never_get_over_it]

13. Not only are the incredibly arrogant

they are freaking STUPID

[Burried News]

19. And Desparate - ain't it wonderful!

[Burried News]

21. Mobetter.

Judy Judy Judy - we care.

[Independent_Liberal]

15. Thanks for posting this UL!

You are the greatest!

:)

[GreenPartyVoter]

18. Wonder what Fitz makes of this?

[nookiemonster]

27. I know. I'm putting all my faith in that man.

He BETTER deliver.

:mad:

[GreenPartyVoter]

29. It's getting harder and harder to wait it out, eh?

[nookiemonster]

30. Every day that passes, I hope.

I guess that's all we can do.

The endgame will be worth it.

:)

[GreenPartyVoter]

31. It's the first thing my eyes scan for each morning as I search the news &

DU.

INDICTMENTS

followed by

Abu Ghraib photos released

[Tuesday_Morning]

20. Very cozy

Arianna's Judy File sure is interesting.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

22. He's asking Judy to pull a Frankie Pentangeli

The bath tub, after a feast. Eat up Judy. Yumyum.

[Burried News]

24. Frank Lie Judy we don't give a damn.

Nominated thread.

[JDPriestly]

25. He's probably thanking her for her silence.

So was he the source? That's very possible. It was the first thought that crossed my mind when I read that he had asked for information on the sources of information.

Did Judy publish articles on the alleged Cuban nuclear threat? What other articles might Judy have written based on Bolton information?

[Just Me]

26. WWWOOOWWWW!!!!

:wow:

INfreakinCREDIBLE!!!!

[The Backlash Cometh]

32. ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

Are you f*****g kidding me! This is a joke, right? It's absolutely NOT possible that Bolton visited Judy Miller in prison. This is 100x's worse that Scalia duck hunting with Cheney while Scalia was about to review a critical case that involved Cheney.

I've no doubt anymore. Our country has been couped.

[Uncle Joe]

53. Or Scalia not recusing himself from Bush vs Gore,

when Scalia's son worked for the Bush campaign.

[understandinglife]

35. Remember Ambassador Wilson & Murray Waas on "Democracy, Now"?

"The fact that Mr. Rove, who is now documented to have been a liar and to have been the source of a treasonous leak is still on the payroll and Mr. Libby is still on the payroll and Mr. Bolton is up at the United Nations really, I think, is a breach of the President's bond to the American people."

And, then Murray Waas commented:

I just wanted to backtrack for a moment and say your competitor, National Public Radio, reported this morning that on his second day at the U.N., and this is an exact quote, John Bolton has been a “model of decorum.” That's their exact words. So it should be interesting if NPR reports on the third, fourth and tenth and twelfth day and how long into his tenure as U.N. ambassador that he has been a model of decorum. It's kind of extraordinary that they said without any kind of irony whatsoever, I think, reported that as news. I mean, one can imagine perhaps we'll have reports on the news about Condoleezza Rice today was a model of decorum, or the Vice President was a model of decorum or members of Congress were models of decorum, but back to the role of the press in this story.

From the program notes Exclusive: New Information May Reveal Key Details on Judith Miller's Role in the Rove/CIA Scandal on August 4, 2005

Link:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/04/1357248

I'd hardly call it a "model of decorum" for an the US Ambassador to the UN (or any other member of the Administration) to be visiting Ms Miller.

But, for a guy who we have every reason to think was one of Miller's sources and a guy who had a clear anti-State/INR agenda to be visiting propagandist-in-chief Miller must have truly 'made Fitzgerald's day.'

And, these items from Huffington and Begala might be of interest to those of you who haven't read them:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4279490


Peace.

[Just Me]

37. The audacity of Bolton's actions may simply piss him off.

I mean, damn!!!

[understandinglife]

64. Another worthwhile reference is Steven Clemons TWN post of ...

... July 22, 2005

SCOOP: John Bolton Was Regular Source for Judith Miller WMD and National Security Reporting

TWN has just learned from a highly placed source -- and in the right place to know -- that John Bolton was a regular source for Judith Miller's New York Times WMD and national security reports.

The source did not have any knowledge on whether Bolton was one of Miller's sources on the Valerie Plame story she was preparing, but argues that he was a regular source otherwise.

It's all "thickening."

Link to comments:

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/000798.html

And, the Josh Marshall TPM Cafe thread, also from July 22, 2005, Problem for Bolton?

also has some interesting comments:

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/7/22/121129/943

Peace.

[City Lights]

40. And today's NYTimes says it's time to let judy go.

If she is not willing to testify after 41 days, then she is not willing to testify. It's time for the judge and the prosecutor to let Ms. Miller go.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/15/opinion/15mon2.html

[Just Me]

42. Um, no, to the contrary,...it's time for criminal charges to be filed.

Just MHO.

[City Lights]

45. I agree with you.

I was just surprised to see the Times editorial today lobbying for her release. :eyes:

She won't talk to Fitzgerald, but she's still talkin' to bolton. :puke: I hope she rots there. :nopity:

[Halliburton]

46. email them about this

this is getting ridiculous.

[e-mail]

[City Lights]

49. I just did. Thanks for the email addy.

:hi:

[understandinglife]

50. The 'Old Grey Lady' is desperately wanting this to stop, because ...

... as many have commented, the NY Times executive management had to have been complicit in Miller's propaganda and mis-behavior.

Interesting reading includes this post at dKos:

http://armando.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/27/15050/6465 (just do a find on 'grey lady')

Here's a DU thread on Frances Whittelsey's "Anonymous Lies From Anonymous Sources"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4268355

Erika Mona is terse and definitive in her "Where She Belongs":

http://www.superunicorn.com/erik/2005/07/where-she-belongs.html

"If she is not willing to break the shield now, I can only conclude it is not her source she is protecting, but herself." from:

http://boadicea.blog-city.com/turdblossom_meets_the__fan_and_scooter_cant_get_no_satistrac.htm

"But what worries my Times sources the most is that it smells like the straw that could break the Gray Lady's back." from:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/arianna-huffington/the-judy-file_4933.html

......and on and on.....

Judy is exactly where she belongs and some executives (and others) at the New York Times may have reason to be concerned about joining her, but definitely have good reason to think that Judith Miller may well bury the 'old grey lady.'


Peace.

[City Lights]

54. Thanks for all the links.

Good stuff. :thumbsup:

[understandinglife]

68. Arianna chastises the 'preemptive PR' of the NY Times, again!

Note to the editors (1): No matter how many times you say it, covering for an illegal government leaker out to smear someone's reputation for political reasons, is NOT the kind of "free press" we are trying to export to "the rest of the world."

Note to the editors (2): You may want to tell your public editor not to quote the Times editor he quotes in Sunday's paper, laying out one of the Times' ethical guidelines: "The Times's policy does not permit the granting of anonymity to confidential news sources 'as cover for a personal or partisan attack.'" So which is it, Times editors? Let's give Judy the benefit of the doubt for a minute and accept that she was a catcher, not a pitcher. Then, according to her own paper's ethical standards, if the person pitching to her is doing it for partisan reasons -- and is anybody doubting that? -- then there is no "granting of anonymity".

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Will the preemptive PR work and keep Judy from being charged with criminal contempt? Stay tuned...

From Preemptive PR: The Times Makes the Case for Judy... Again by Arianna Huffington on August 16, 2005

More at the link (fun to read, as always):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/arianna-huffington/preemptive-pr-the-times-_5703.html

Peace.

[sunnystarr]

43. hmmm maybe he was there to

solidify a threat ... just in case she was weakening on her new diet. In any case it's unlikely that he's her source cause that would be just toooooo stupid. So the only other reason would be to deliver a message. The question then is from whom and what was the message.

[Halliburton]

44. I don't know how long the Times can maintain the pro-Judy position on this

Arianna Huffington has practically destroyed any credibility the Times had in protecting Judy Miller. Judy is looking more guilty everyday she rots in that prison. This is the last straw.

[Pithy Cherub]

47. IRONY ALERT: The Onion is being killed by Real Life...

This is beyond, I mean I could not, it is unfriggin' believable...:wow:

[Supersedeas]

69. Exactly

[Garbo 2004]

51. Wow. n/t

[Burried News]

52. Essentially George Bush met with Judy Miller.

George went to the wall on Bolton and dissed the whole Advice and Consent role of the Senate. Is there any doubt Bolton is Bush's emissary?

[understandinglife]

56. Yes, as a US Ambassador, he is an emissary of the President ...

...and, if Ms Huffington's source is correct, the Government of the United States of America visited a prisoner in a Federal detention facility.

All the while, we have American citizens and others being detained throughout the United States, and elsewhere, who are denied access to legal representation, who have never been charged with a crime, and, in more cases than we know, are being tortured.

And, the little boy president, georgie, is riding his bike and wants to 'get on with his life.'

Even 10 years ago, if you had written the above as a script for a movie or as a novel, it would have been viewed as "only possible in the movies" by most.


Peace.

[Burried News]

57. An emissary of the United States meets with a potentialTraitor.

If this is not so it is up to the President to clarify it - not us.

[Burried News]

58. This is potentially the equivalent of the Saturday night massacre

scenario.

[MADem]

60. I always thought Scooter was the one who dialed up

Georgie when meeting with Judy, and handed her the phone. But hey, it coulda been Cap'n "Recess Appointment" Kangaroo who did the honors!

[Burried News]

61. Judy Miller was bait. The biggest fish has taken the hook.

Now what woman is strong enough to reel him in - because God knows none of the guys are going to do it - as has been discussed on another thread.
Hillary is hoping he'll jump into the boat and cook himself.
So who is going to do it? Or are we waiting for Ariana to keep working him until some GOP shark will take a bite. And to think we used to be Whale Hunters.

[tgnyc]

62. You know he's hittin' it.

Two people as unappealing as they are have only each other for lovin'.

[MidwestTransplant]

63. I hope Fitz knows about this....I am sure he does.

[understandinglife]

65. Some great comments at HuffPo ....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/arianna-huffington/the-judy-file-millera_5687.html


Peace.

[understandinglife]

66. Arianna Huffington ... "Oh, Wonkette ...."

Wonkette had best stick to snark about Jenna and other non-essential gossip ....

oh, wonkette, I hate to kill your buzz… but in your excitement over trying to play gotcha, did you forget how to get your facts straight?

You see, you called the wrong detention facility. You called the ARLINGTON County Detention Facility. Judy Miller is being kept at the ALEXANDRIA Detention Center.

Oops.

If you had called the right facility -- as I did before posting my story -- you would have been told -- as I was -- that it is the policy at ALEXANDRIA not to give out the names of visitors (in fact, the deputy we spoke with there said that he wasn’t sure they would give it out even with a subpoena). ARLINGTON apparently has a looser policy when it comes to visitor names… not to mention when it comes to having nice phone chats with fact-challenged bloggers.

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Link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/arianna-huffington/oh-wonkette_5697.html

ouch ...


Peace.