Daddy is Protecting Me! President Bush is my Daddy!!!!!

[Ripley]

I know there has been some writing about this phenomena by more qualified people than me since the Iraq Disaster began, but I have a new angle that I would like to introduce.

This protection response to The War seems to be used more often than not by Men and boys than by females. In fact, I believe all of the groups who are "protesting the protesters" in Crawford are groups led by men and organized by men. As well as their founders...are men.

(Now don't get all twisted up you men reading this. I am not being "reverse sexist" or whatever. :eyes:)

Female voters and candidate supporters have had to endure lots of stereotypical and often untrue labels when it comes to politics and voting over the last 85 years. Most recently it was the "Security Moms" and before that "Soccer Moms" and before that there have been many "explanations" of the woman's vote. And it was usually described as "those girls vote for the Man who projects the most Fatherly protection" type crap or it would fault them as just dumb broads who voted like their husband told them to.

Who is out in front on the Anti-War Message right now? And who has pushed for 9/11 investigations?

Cindy Sheehan
Code Pink
Cynthia Mckinney
Kirsten Breitwieser
Nancy Pelosi

I know there are many other women in the forefront I am not listing here. But what bothers me is that there aren't a whole hell of a lot of male politicians or citizens out in front on this.

So who the hell is the weaker sex?

:)

[Stuckinthebush]

1. Sexist!

:D

Actually, you are quite correct...women are out front on this.

Why? Good question.

[Ripley]

2. Hey bud!

Haven't seen ya in awhile. How's life in Bham?

I want to know why women are usually considered weak and men strong, when clearly Dumbbutt is the most cowardly person on Earth for simply not talking to Cindy.

[Jade Fox]

5. Some men consider not being accountable....

to women as a sign that they are "real men".

[Stuckinthebush]

41. Hi, Ripley

I've been around...just doing the voyeur bit most of the time.

You know, there are men that are supporting Cindy and the other brave women who are pushing this...but I have always thought that it would be the women who eventually would make Bush accountable for his actions.

You see, Bush plays the macho guy's guy role, and he knows how to humiliate men. He is scared to death of women. Women are either mothers/enablers, or enemies. Look at Condi and Hughes. These women act as his mother, so he puts them in positions of authority around him. They never tell him no, and they keep him happy. Other women...say, Christine Todd Whitman, for example...are not seen as mothers by Bush. He sees them as necessary evils. He didn't like Christine and saw her as a threat, so he offered her a cabinet level position and then immediately made it a non-cabinet level position. He humiliated her and made her worthless (in his mind). Those women that he can't control (Cindy for example) he totally ignores because he is scared to death of them. Any other man in his position would at least have talked to Cindy before it blew up in his face. Not George. He ignores her because he is scared. He will continue to ignore her until he starts to ridicule her. Then, it will all be over.

I think you are exactly right that it will take the women to end this insanity.

[Ripley]

45. I wish.

Some men around Dumbknob would get a clue. And report his loser ass faking tough-stuff to one of those gossip rags. But that is secondary..

What kind of PERSON is the President of The United States of America...who DOES NOT MEET WITH a Mother of a soldier killed in the War he started?

Women are speaking out LOUD, and it makes me wonder why DR. DEAN AIN'T THERE!!!

[Hekate]

48. Good analysis

I've always hated W's body-language and tone of voice, especially when he's talking tough. It just sets off my radar like mad: condescending, bullying, I'm bigger than you and I could beat you up. All the Bush women disappear into the background once they marry into that clan.

Yet I've always been puzzled by the number of women he's promoted -- and I think you elucidate it well. Thanks.

Hekate

[eleny]

6. "The hand that rocks the cradle Is the hand that rules the world"

I hadn't thought of that saying in a very long time. But it popped into my head after reading your posting.

Edit: Oops. I meant to respond to the OP.

[Is It Fascism Yet]

28. We wish. If only. N/T

[Jade Fox]

3. Men have a lot more invested in the fantasy Bush provides them.....

best explained in this interview with Arlie Hoschild:

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/12/int03326.html

[Burried News]

10. Oedipus Complex - men are afraid of the castrating father.

Personally I'll airmail my balls to the Whitehouse if it would get the WarHog Party outta there.

(Don't worry guys (I call them Herb and Henry) it's just poetic license)
besides you guys have done your duty you gave me two great daughters and my replacement is on station.

[Gruenemann]

14. Not Oedipus. LYSISTRATA! eom

[marions ghost]

15. good article

Excerpts:

Bush is the upper-class mess-up who ends up on top anyway. It is subliminal: If you mess up, don't worry. The reason that becomes important, I think, is that we live in a culture of individualism. And if you lose a job, it's your fault you lost the job. It's your credit if you do well, and your fault if you do badly. And so for him to be the mess-up that gets ahead anyway is sort of an end-run around this whole burdensome ideology of individualism.

BuzzFlash: So it's a triumph of white males through all this adversity of civil rights, "quota systems" for minorities and feminism. There's a man who's been a complete screw-up, and now he's President of the United States. I'm a blue-collar male and I don't care if he's wealthy. He's standing up for the white guy being the head of the household and the decision maker.

[girl gone mad]

25. That's why the AWOL aspect appeals to them, too.

The idea that someone who walked away from his responsibilities can be portrayed as a "hero" appeals to the guys sitting at home watching war on tv.

He's one of them.

[Jade Fox]

35. Excellent point!

That is probably why so many of these Chickenhawks seem feel no guilt
what so ever about not having served. Aren't they heros just for, you
know, ADVOCATING honorable service like their boy Bush?

[SammyWinstonJack]

43. I never thought about it in that way.

:wow: You're right!

[Ripley]

19. Thanks for the link Jade...

I'll have to read it later...busy at the moment.

[PassingFair]

33. Thank you Jade!

That was WELL worth the read.
I especially love the advice to embrace the truth and NOT run to the middle in our situation.
How could our party have thought that a "centrist" stance could possibly prevail?
Time to firmly state the truth about "Bush's War".

[BobbyinPortland]

4. since the beginning of the beginning

women have been pushed back and made to think of themselves as the "weaker sex" when in fact without women none of us would be here. It's amazing how the church and "they" have reimagined the true story of God and the female power involved with that story.

Men are willing to do anything and everything to keep the power. If you don't believe me, just look at the neartest neocon.

Peace!

[Burried News]

7. Thoroughly agree. Long overdue recognition.

Don't forget Huffington, Maureen (my favorite) Dowd and Ellen Goodman.
You girls rock and have Nads to spare. Thank you all.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

8. And one of their first sets of testimony should be from the firemen

on the scene at the WTC. There is a thread on the 9/11 board about all of the reported explosions heard by the firemen. Also reports of missiles and rockets fired into the building from the Woolworth Bldg.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=51793&mesg_id=51793

[Kurovski]

22. Nominated based on OmmmSweetOmmm's link

which has very disturbing information within it.

[Moochy]

9. Michelle Malkin and Conyers

Malkin is a female who is against Cindy, at least her puppeteers would have us think that.
I think I saw some men in the pics of the rally, not ones in sherrif uniforms or dove-hunting jumpsuits.
John Conyers is doing good work, challenging activists to support Cindy.

[Ripley]

13. Okay Gladiator.

Where did I say ALL FEMALES are against this Disaster?

Yeah, Conyers and some others have risen to the occasion by lifting a hand and placed it on a pen and written words in a letter to the Weed In Charge.

Doesn't exactly compare now does it? (not to diss Conyers who has done a lot...but I find your reference odd.)

[Moochy]

20. Devils Advocate

I was just trying to throw off your statistical sample :evilgrin: sorry for being a buzzkill!


PS whats with the gladiator reference?

[Ripley]

24. ancient roman history

Where did I say it was a statistical sample?

Do you think an American, much less the media can name one guy who is standing with Cindy? In person?

[Moochy]

27. Paterfamilias

The head of the roman household had the absolute right to murder his wife or any of his children.

So, maybe it is about ancient roman history, and my gender is just feeling blowback. j/k Maybe in the hypermasculine militarized post-911 political climate, that liberal compassion and being against the war are not seen as winning strategies by spineless dems.

Or maybe it's because the woman politicians are all able to make brave stands because its the right thing to do? I think its less of a danger for a woman politician to be out front on this type of issue.

[Ripley]

29. Where do I begin with that post?

1. You asked me why I used "gladiator" and I replied with a line from your very own profile.

2. You thusly responded with a very awful statement: The head of the roman household had the absolute right to murder his wife or any of his children. Quite an interesting statement you choose to make considering some guy drinking a case of Keystone Light is shooting his gun off near Cindy's people.

3. ...and my gender is just feeling blowback. j/k

What exactly do you mean by that statement? I don't even get it if it is a joke.

And then this:

4. You said: I think its less of a danger for a woman politician to be out front on this type of issue.

What danger is there for a male politician to be out front on this type of issue? You mean they look like a P****? or What?

Spell it out.

[Moochy]

38. Spelling it out

1. Ah you quoted from the movie I've only seen once, I was really wondering and honestly confused. :-) I better update my profile!

2. Well I was trying to point out some extreme versions of the father knows best concept, I guess I failed. And yes it's horrible.

3. Gender Blowback from too many millenia of being the ones *most* responsible for the dominant male paradigm? ;-) ok, so it wasnt very funny or clear. Sorry for being obtuse.

4. Why is it less of a danger for women to be anti-war? I think that danger was seen by many democrats who were afraid of being seen as opposed to the war. Militaristic triumphalism wins the day!

Women must be the anti-war voice in our stage play that is American politics. The perceived danger I'm referring to is the supposed loss of votes that a would-be male politician supporter of Cindy Sheehan showing up at her side this week.

And, yeah I do mean they look like a "pussy" to people who pronounce the b in subtle. But that 10-11% demographic in the middle is who both sides chase.

All that being said, I 100% agree with your OP, and I feel it is disgraceful that so many male senators and congresMEN are being so timid. I suppose many of them are afraid of that original pro-war vote I guess. :shrug: And that many are on vacation. ( they have to get on with their lives)

Peace Ripley, We are on the same side here really! :hi:

(edited for spelling )

[Ripley]

42. Uh.

Huh.

Why don't some high profile (we know how the media loves NAMES) men, come on out to Crawford?

Where's Doc Dean?

[FreedomAngel82]

11. If you remember

Kerry and Kennedy wrote a support letter. There is also Rev. Johnson who was the youngest man to walk with Martin Luther King junior and Ray McGovern.

[Minstrel Boy]

12. Sibel Edmonds, Colleen Rowley, Indira Singh....

the list goes on, and it's overwhelmingly female.

[Ripley]

16. Why thank you my Canadian friend...

for adding to the list.

As I tried to head off in my OP....this is not to say men have not done things to try to stop the Mad Bush.

But it sure is women who are doing the fucking work of LOUD SPEAK at this moment.

[never_get_over_it]

17. Ok I'm sorry but your post made me laugh right out loud

WHY you ask - and I'll be completey sexist here - women are SO much stronger than men - not just in this movement - but in general - so I laughed right out loud because I was thinking you're just figuring this out? I was wondering if you are a youngster and haven't had tme to figure it out - or if you've just been very lucky with the men in your life

And for the men out there please don't bother to yell at me - its just my personal experiences that has brought me to this point!

P.S. have you ever had to take care of a sick man - now compare that to how sick women act - roflmao

[ElsewheresDaughter]

18. indeed

[Lars39]

31. OT-Yea!!! You found a way to keep the baby and the bathwater! :^)

[ElsewheresDaughter]

49. yes ...thanks to dragonfli...he did it for me...i am so so happy

[Swamp Rat]

21. WE are.

:hi: CINDY SHEEHAN FOR PRESIDENT!!!

I'm ready for women to rule this country. We men have fucked it up long enough. x(

Come on Barbara Boxer! Come on Maxine Waters! :D

[Ripley]

26. Are you ready for this????????????

I watched tee vee at the gym today and saw ....I can't believe it! One of my favorite actors...Geena Davis is going to have a new show this fall as...THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF!

Edited to say: SHE IS THE PRESIDENT! Criminy....we've got women in almost every role now on the boob tube.

Will this make a difference? I sure as hell hope so.

Hey Swamprat...make a nice one of Geena as Prez woudja?

[BlueEyedSon]

23. The Women Have The Babies

and don't like seeing them blown to bits

[Touchdown]

30. Excuse me? Ever heard of "Security Moms" in 2004?

...supposedly credited for pushing Bushie* over the top?

Who up there has made a movie about the war?

ROBERT Greewald "Uncovered" -Penis owner
MICHAEL Moore "Fahrenheit 9/11" -Penis owner.
GREG Palast "Bush Family Fortunes" -Penis owner.

John Conyers -Penis owner
Dennis Kucinich -Penis owner
...please don't make this out into being the battle of the sexes. "Oedepus complex". Yeah, you know everything. No wonder Ann Coulter makes shit up all the time, she's a woman!:eyes:

[Ripley]

32. Other than revealing your lack of reading skills...

in this particular thread where "security Moms" were addressed...

Can you act any more insulted and turn around and attack me with the most preposterous complex of all?

I don't even know how to respond to your Coulter remark...

If you want to blame women for pushing Bush over the top...you might want to look at who supports him in Crawford.

[Touchdown]

47. Nevertheless, regardless of your orders for us not to be offended,

What you have written, and supported throughout this thread is classic male bashing, and fostering a self satisfied echo chamber. Telling people not to be offended, does not absolve you from offending.

"Can you act any more insulted and turn around and attack me with the most preposterous complex of all? "

Other than revealing your lack of compositional skills, what exactly does this mean?

I didn't blame women for pushing Bush over the top. I was making an illustration, and I don't buy the bullshit any more than you do. It was a Rove fabrication, in my opinion. What I object to is your belief that you are not male bashing, and your admonishment that any male who is should get over it, when you know damn well you are. Yes, the genders see conflict and the world differently, but that does not make my gender flawed, as your supposition posits.

BTW: I knew I'd get your attention with that Coulter remark. Thank's for taking the bait.:hi:

[never_get_over_it]

34. I'm glad you said Security Moms

supposedly pushed * over the top in 2004

Diebold pushed him over the top - and I believe that is mostly run by penis owners

[TruthIsAll]

39. It was males from Diebold and ES&S who pushed Bush over the top.

Blame Jeb Bush and Blackwell for stealing the two critical states that Bush needed to win.

Women voted for Kerry by 54-46, according to the National Exit poll after 13047 respondents - before it was corrupted to match the Bush "vote".

[Lex]

36. 'Security Moms' was a made-up concept by Karl Rove

and the press ate it up.

[Ripley]

37. Is that weird or what?

I know it's not just me.

Or I'M GONNA BLOW

[ultraist]

44. More MEN voted for Bush than women

[Ripley]

46. wow, stats

and logic

what in the world is keeping DOC DEAN FROM Crawford?

Of course, this is just my opinion.

[emcguffie]

40. The Lysistrata.

It's always women, who want to put an end to war.

Gee, I do not remember when "The Lysistrata" was written, but it was one of those Greek comedies. The women all made a pact: no more sex until the men ended the war.

Maybe men haven't changed so much in 3,000 years. 2,500 years? I don't know. A long time ago.