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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:30 PM
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:32 PM
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1. Death by a thousand cuts.
So profound and so, so true.
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:34 PM
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2. We will see.
But this ties in to Bush lying about getting us into Iraq. it will be repeated over and over again. Not only did Bush lie to get us into a war but he also put our national security at risk by outing a CIA operative that was responsible in monitoring the movement of nuclear materials.

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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:35 PM
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3. Sorry but I called it in July...this one has legs and won't go away
By the VERY FACT that this story broke in July and the WH did NOTHING to get to the bottom of it they have provided prima facie evidence not ONLY of their involvement but have also CLEARLY indicated that the Justice Department CANNOT be trusted to investigate this...otherwise...they already would have.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:37 PM
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4. I do remember! I do remember! You said so.
And I did not believe you. Because of he silence, I thought that was it, it would just die.
You have a good nose for this, it seems.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:42 PM
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7. They are scared s**tless! because this reminds them of Hutton Inquiry....
and they know what that has done to Blair's government with all the resignations and revelations about how Britain got into this war. The two situations are so similar.....the only thing worse would be if Plame had ended up like
David Kelly and I'm sure Wilson was worried about that.

Instead she and her network were compromised.....but the result is very much the same...and the circumstances too with a press leak an "outing" and the terrible consequences.

I only saw one reporter in an obscure newspaper make the connection......so there must be a big "sssshhh" factor that no one wants to let the American readers who aren't aware of what's been going on in Blairs government know how much has been revealed.

I think it has legs.....but only if it keeps getting help from the press....and the Dems.....so far so good from what I saw today. This story leads back to the fault intelligence......and how we got into Iraq. There's no way that's going to rest as long as our soldiers are still dying and the place is a bottomless money pit.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:46 PM
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10. Yes, the White House made the case for an independent counsel...
...with their inaction for 2.5 months.

Rove deals with an ADD, dyslexic leader.

He thinks that we're all like his boss.

Just another Rove misunderestimation.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:46 PM
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11. The big thing is there is an administration official who is talking.
He/she says this was done for revenge. He/she says this story was peddled to at least 6 outlets. Don't think they can put that cat back in the bag.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:38 PM
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5. It's up to Tenet
....and the CIA

....and us!

I do think that the CIA is pissed about this one. We can egg on the Dems (well, a little.)
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:39 PM
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6. It's at times like this that I am pleased
that we have so many Democrats running for president. If we had only one viable candidate, the media would smear that candidate and the focus would be on the candidate's foibles rather than Bush's scandal.

Please don't forget that Bush is the enemy, not our own Democratic candidates.

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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:42 PM
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8. Exactly right. I keep on saying people need to realize that our
side of candidates is really a team. They are sharping each other up. And I believe each one will support the nominee.

We are looking good.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 07:20 AM
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17. I Completely Agree
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:43 PM
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9. the aura of invincibility
this is exactly the point ... whether we win or lose on the wilson issue, bush has nowhere left to hide ... and with his war shields tattered with failed credibility, his crimes will be there for all to see ...

we've come a long way, baby ... think back to those dark days around the time of the patriot act and the iraq war resolution ...

many of our finest DU'ers argued back then that it would be political suicide to "stand up to bush" ... those who wanted the democratic party to act like an "opposition party" were called politically naive ... we were called extremists whose criticisms of bush would do nothing but drive away the centrists ...

we had discussion after discussion about the political viability of confronting bush ...

well, not any more ... i wouldn't be quite so quick to dismiss the wilson stuff as just one of a "thousand cuts" ... it only takes one teensy weensy little hole to burst a balloon ... and the wilson disclosures look more like a deep gash than a little hole ...

it's open season now ... bush can no longer hide behind 9/11 ... he can no longer say we must confront saddam with one american voice ... his policies, all his policies, are in tatters ... and he may have broken a teensy weensy law or two along the way ...

stay tuned ... even some of our comatose democrats seem to be awakening ...
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:53 PM
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13. Amen!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:46 PM
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12. The new FCC ruling WAS supposed to go somewhere
But we stopped it in its tracks because we got off our butts and called our congresspeople. All we have to is tell them to keep pounding away at this, and to tell the media we will not tolerate their ignoring this story.


rocknation

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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:54 PM
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14. That's a good point
Having a "team" of democratic presidential hopefuls, means they get to take turns bashing Bush!! Awesome. Each one can fill in what the other one missed.

I'm looking at this from the WH's point of view: they're in trouble. They know they can't get out of this one. "Two people" is reverberating all across the US. It's like a detective mystery: who are the culprits? Everybody's wants to get in on the action, trying to figure it out, taking bets. The way I see it is, they have 2 choices: drag out the one(s) who did it, whether it was Rove, or Cheney or Conda-liar or Hadley. They've got to make the sacrifice because the press won't let it go.

OR, they can pick a fall-guy, someone who will fall on his sword. However, it would have to be a pretty high-ranking person since Ambassdor Wilson said it. So they've got to sacrifice someone.

Who will it be? My take is, being the pit vipers they are, they will pick the weakest link.

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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:56 PM
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15. Maybe.
But we all know that the * Admin will practice character assassination on the Dem nominee in 2004. They will try to make our candidate look dangerous or unstable or weak. Instilling fear in the populace is the * strategy. So far, it's been bought hook, line, and sinker. Why will it be different in 2004? It's not like they'll tell the truth.
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