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NebraskaDem Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:05 PM
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Finally some good news out of Iraq
God knows we've waited long enough

http://www.suntimes.com/output/otherviews/cst-edt-ref15.html


Amid roadside bombs, constitutional squabbles and even a blinding sandstorm last week, one wonders if anything is going right in Iraq. Plenty is, actually.

The journalists' maxim, ''If it bleeds, it leads,'' prevails. Major news outlets correctly focus on the depressing consequences of the Improvised Explosive Devices and car bombs responsible for 70 percent of U.S. military fatalities in Iraq last month. Terrorist assassinations of civil servants and police officers obviously deserve coverage. But it honors neither America's soldiers nor Iraq's selfless patriots to overlook the achievements they share in this new republic.

The growth of locals in uniform is a positive military development.

According to the Brookings Institution's indispensable Iraq Index, www.brookings.edu/iraqindex , the number of on-duty Iraqi security personnel has risen from 125,373 in January to 175,700 today.

On Aug. 5, GIs and medics from the 1st Battalion, 24th Infantry Division, plus Iraqi police, performed health screenings on 200 Mosul children. They also gave these kids soccer balls.

During five such missions since mid-July, some 1,000 kids in Mosul received basic medical attention.

Infrastructure improvements also are encouraging. A new Kirkuk treatment plant began providing clean water to 5,000 people on June 27, the State Department says. Another 84 U.S.-led waterworks projects are under way in Iraq, while 114 have been completed.

Some 18,000 pupils will study in rehabilitated classrooms when they go back to school in mid-September. According to U.S. and Iraqi officials, 43 more schools were slated for renovation Aug. 6. So far, 3,211 schools have been refurbished, and another 773 are being repaired.

Iraq's monthly oil exports have grown from $200 million in June 2003 to $2.5 billion last month.


Commercial TV channels, radio stations and independent newspapers and magazines have zoomed from zero before Operation Iraqi Freedom to -- respectively -- 29, 80 and 170 today.

Internet subscribers have boomed from 4,500 before Iraq's liberation to 147,076 last March, not counting the additional Iraqis who use Internet cafes. When Saddam Hussein fell, Iraq had 833,000 telephone subscribers. In July that figure had soared 356.4 percent to 3,801,822.

In the political arena, women hold seven of Baghdad's top 40 ministerial positions. While Iraq is more than 17.5 percent female, this is impressive political involvement for women in the world's most sexist region. Among others, women run Iraq's ministries of communications, environment, public works and human rights.

America's National Democratic Institute (a global outreach organization) last month trained 208 members of 70 political parties and 10 NGOs from across Iraq. They studied U.S.-style campaign skills including knocking on doors, canvassing petitions and organizing rallies. In another workshop, activists learned how to promote their parties' agendas on TV during two-minute and even 30-second sound bites.


The White House communications team -- hobbled by institutional bashfulness and a nearly terminal incapacity for self-expression -- must educate Americans and our allies more effectively on what works in Iraq.

While journalists should not whitewash Iraq's mayhem, they should cover the accomplishments of U.S. personnel, soldiers from the 27 other nations with boots on the sand, and the Iraqis who are rebuilding their country -- never mind the evildoers' blasts and billowing smoke.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:08 PM
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1. Who's pocketing the revenue from the oil?
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 11:11 PM by tuvor
"Iraq's monthly oil exports have grown from $200 million in June 2003 to $2.5 billion last month."

I'm not sure that's good news for Iraq so much as it is for bush.

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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:11 PM
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2. Have they determined yet in their constitution...
..if the men should beat women with a broomstick or a switch? I'm waiting for that big news.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:26 PM
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24. Rule of thumb perhaps? n/t
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:12 PM
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3. this column is nothing new
there's been a steady stream of "good news in Iraq" stories churned out by the war machine, this is just another one.

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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:12 PM
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4. never mind the evildoers' blasts and billowing smoke?
Kind of hard to do with so much death and destruction, hey?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:12 PM
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5. What good is internet access with 3hrs of electricity for every 3 w/o it
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:13 PM
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6. Sure .......
the number of on-duty Iraqi security personnel has risen from 125,373 in January to 175,700 today.

and I am King of England.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:46 PM
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35. They're killing them off as fast as they are trained......
Those numbers seem exagerated. The sunshine and roses in Iraq have big thorns.
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WMliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:14 PM
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7. if you don't mind all the death, explosions, foreign occupiers pointing
guns at you every day...
Seriously? Is it worth it?
Even if it is, the just ends were corrupted by the unjust means.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:14 PM
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8. That's wonderful news, especially about the soccer balls. n/t
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:15 PM
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11. I really liked the part about the soccer balls too
Is this the same list they used in Vietnam with only the names changed?
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 06:25 PM
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51. I'm concerned about the rehabilitated classrooms though
Is there a high recidivism rate for classrooms which have ben rehablitated?
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ugarte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:15 PM
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9. $300 billion and climbing
That should buy a few soccer balls and classrooms.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:15 PM
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10. And Just Think None Of This "Good News"
would have even been needed if we hadn't invaded Iraq. Oh and it's a good thing everyone is getting soccer balls over there.

Jay

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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:16 PM
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12. How many have been KILLED in the last month?
What's the deal about the problems with the Constitution? Ya, right, they are making great progress in Iraq. Mission Accomplished.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:16 PM
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13. Hasn't this freeper email been debunked as pure propaganda
by the Right Wing War Machine?:shrug:
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:21 PM
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19. Hmm...
Oh, Welcome to DU NebraskaDem.

:popcorn:
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:26 PM
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23. Oh thanks for reminding me of my manners

Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay.:hi:
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:17 PM
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14. This column looks familiar, where oh where have I seen it before.....
my favorite line is towards the end

"The White House communications team -- hobbled by institutional bashfulness and a nearly terminal incapacity for self-expression -- must educate Americans and our allies more effectively on what works in Iraq."

Yep, bashful is the word that comes to mind when I think of the White House communications team. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:18 PM
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15. ooh please, more propaganda please
I don't get enough of it from the corporate media you know
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:19 PM
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16. Interesting site on your profile....
says "run by a conservative"...
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NebraskaDem Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:27 PM
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25. Been down this road before...
It also says...

Democrats, Liberals, and Progressives are welcomed and encouraged to join. All viewpoints are welcome.

So, whats your point? Am I not allowed to belong to any other message boards? (Ironically enough I havent even registered there yet b/c I am still outnumbered and prefer to have some backup when engaging the idiots)
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:30 PM
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29. Yeah we all know those sites that "encourage" liberals and progressives
to come play...basically so they can eat you for lunch.
No thanks...I hate showering after reading RW propaganda like the shit you posted.
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NebraskaDem Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:32 PM
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30. Hence the backup I was referring to
;)
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:19 PM
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17. Let us know when the Iran list comes out.....
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:20 PM
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18. picture of the first soccer ball in Iraq
Here's Bremer showing the grateful Iraqis how to use it

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:28 PM
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26. Of course playing with the soccer ball is a death sentence unless you are
in the green zone, but why bother with THOSE pesky facts.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:37 PM
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32. This is so wrong of me..
but it looks like he's trying out for the Special Olympics soccer team. Un-PC I know, but I couldn't resist. :evilgrin:
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:21 PM
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20. Deroy Murdock...
... is a right-wing hack and a contributor to National Review Online.

And, pardon me, isn't it a bit disingenuous to be saying that "Iraq is more than 17.5 percent female," when, with the Gulf War and the recent ongoing war, it's more like 55 female%?

Nothing like trying to make ice cream out of shit with statistics. Doesn't taste any better.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:22 PM
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21. This sorta sounds like crap. The Iraqi oil exports have tripled?
Oil prices are up around 100% since last year, so the rest of the rise has to be oil export. And yes, where is that money going.

If there's 175,700 Iraqi security personnel, why is unemployment still 60% and what are we still doing there.

The schools were suppose to be rehabilitated in 2003 by Bechtel. From what I heard, if 5 of us got together and rehabed those schools, we could have done a better job. So they've been rehabed again? Where is our money going? How many times do we rehab things there?

They have little water or electricity but they now have phones?

Iraq is more than 17% female. Huh? They had a 10 year war with Iran and were drafting 10 year old kids because of the man shortage, but there is only 17% women in Iraq???? Where did all the women go?

And * is "hobbled by institutional bashfulness"?
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:33 PM
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31. 17% female?
did they keep a few just for breeding purposes?
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 08:19 AM
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48. Yup, they're getting three barrels a day now.
Hmmm, isn't this the sort of propaganda Condi keeps spouting. And the rwers sent some pundits to counter the negative reporting. From what I've read this seems like a bunch of unsubstantiated nonsense.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:23 PM
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22. Snopes maybe?
I really don't care enough to check though.
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NebraskaDem Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:29 PM
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28. Could be...
I didnt think to check it out. I saw it on the Chicago Sun Times and thought it might be a breath of fresh air about an otherwise foul smelling place
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 12:00 AM
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40. It still smells foul
More everyday!
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:28 PM
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27. So what you are saying, basically,
is that we have made some minimal repairs on all the shit we blew up. Oh, and we gave out soccer balls. I also like the soccer balls.
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ms.smiler Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:39 PM
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33. Consider the source...
Deroy Murdock is a columnist with Scripps Howard News Service and a senior fellow with the Atlas Economic Research Foundation in Fairfax,

Atlas Economic Research Foundation = Conservative think tank
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Economic_Research_Foundation

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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:46 PM
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34. WTF?!
"The White House communications team -- hobbled by institutional bashfulness and a nearly terminal incapacity for self-expression -- must educate Americans and our allies more effectively on what works in Iraq."

Translation, please.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:51 PM
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39. Here's a stab at interpretating-
Might be a bit off in actual translation, I'm not completely fluent in bullshit:

"blah blah blah blah and sugar coat it"
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 12:11 AM
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41. You should be a professional interpretateor.
I did wonder if they were actually saying the WH communications staff
had not been able to get across its message of good news from Iraq
because of "institutional bashfulness." It's genius.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 12:22 AM
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43. Can't figure out the 'hobbled by institutional bashfulness'
But 'a nearly terminal incapacity for self-expression' describes the coward of Crawford to a 'T'.

'um Make uh the pie um er uh higher!'
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 12:27 AM
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44. Maybe it means they dont wanta brag about how much better Iraq is.
That must be it.... It hurts to even joke about it but sometimes
that's all you can do.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:48 PM
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36. BS propaganda.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:49 PM
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37. THis looks like a stack of pentagon psyops bullshit to me
courtesy of meyers and dumbsfeld

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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:51 PM
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38. Sadly, all the structural improvements are in the green zone. Little else
in any of the cities has been touched since it was all blown to bits.

Trust me, this report is a white wash. You can bet most of the internet users are US troops and the contractors, and the telephone subscribers are the contracters moving in for the kill on the 'rebuilding' bids.

Let's send this report to a regular iraqi living in bagdhad outside the green zone and see what they have to say about it.

I don't mean to burst your bubble, but when it comes from the bush regime, it doesn't mean shit.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 12:15 AM
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42. The sad part is that those numbers are actually laughable
How many billions have we poured into Iraq? How many tens of billions? Now, compare these dismally low numbers: 18,000 students will study in "rehabilitated classrooms?" 18,000? That's it? I suspect the same could be said for the borough of Queens in New York City, and I can assure you that the NYC Board of Ed didn't spend near the sums we've been told are slated for infrastructure! 175,000 Iraqi security? Never mind that fewer than 10,000 are ready for combat duties: this is a miniscule number compared to any local contingent in any successful counterinsurgency campaign. Hell, the ARVN had 3 million under arms, and some of them even wanted to fight! 175,000 half-trained, paycheck soldiers? Wow! What a job we've done with all those hundreds of billions over three years! Much more of this "good news" and we'll have to surrender the 2nd Marine Division! Seven cabinet posts for women! My oh my! The writer slyly misleads by placing Iraq nin a "sexist" region. This is of course true, but it is also true that women had made much more progress in Iraq than they had in neighboring countries, like, say, our friends in Saudi Arabia. Here's a brief history of women's involvement in the government and job market in Iraq:

History of Women in Iraq

In the 1920s and 1930's, women in Iraq began working and accepting positions in the job market. In 1970, the Iraqi constitution, under Saddam Hussein, declared all women and men equal before the law. The 1970s and early 1980s were years of economic growth in Iraq and state-induced policies were formed to eradicate illiteracy, educate women and incorporate them into the labor force.

Labor at that time was scarce and the Iraqi government chose to tap into its own human resources and hire women. Women in Iraq became among the most educated and professional in the entire region, and working outside the home became the norm. Women could find and retain jobs, obtain higher education, and receive extensive medical coverage. A working Iraqi mother received five years of maternity leave. In 1980 women could vote and run for election.


Whew! Seven cabinet posts: Are we back to 1980 levels yet? Perhaps not...if our friends the Shi'a have anything to say about it! More good news in this vein, and we'll have to withdraw Task Force Liberty! Let's not forget about our friends the Kurds declaring Kirkuk a semi-autonomous region, wink wink: that should make up for the water treatment plant. But only 5,000 people? For all those billions and hundreds of billions? Sheesh...I wonder whose uncle is the contractor. Oh, that's righty...:eyes:

Gimme a break. Even this litany of so-called good news is nothing but an index of this collosal failure.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 01:01 AM
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45. Most of the good works done have been by individual soldiers, and
progressive thinking officers.

I wish there was more good news out of Iraq, but wishes don't make it so.

We screwed up real bad. We've broken a country.

Bush tried to play the role of liberator, but acted like a conqueror. If he had backed up the liberator rhetoric with action to match we wouldn't be facing the rebellion we are now facing.

Yeah, it would be a relief to hear good news out of Iraq.

You need to read this blog. Probably the best war blog out there. If you want the truth, you need to go to the people living there.

http://thunder6.typepad.com/365_arabian_nights/

Not updated much, but when they have power and opportunity, they post.

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

Some entries are in Arabic, if you can't read it scroll on down. You will get a wide range of opinions and experiences here.

http://afamilyinbaghdad.blogspot.com/

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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 01:21 AM
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46. Well I actually perused that long boring document and there quite
a number of discrepancies between what this mass email fraud says and what was reported. I've listed some of them as best I could for 2:am. Remember that a lot of this information is in tables that I had to re-post in synopsis form.

Trained and effective Iraqi police:


General Myers: 40,000

Senator Biden:
4,000 -18,000


151,61838
Trained and effective:
Lt. Gen Petraeus:
50,000
“off-the-cuff”


IRAQI POLICE EQUIPMENT
Total as
Percentage of
Requirement
41%
25%
17%
31%


Unemployment:

June 2003 – 50-60%
May 2005 - 27-40%

Inflation:

July 2004 6%
February 2005 11.4%


Big numbers for Iraq construction money spent

In Millions

2004 – 9,301
2005 – 2007 - 26,518
Total - 35,819

It also does not mention all the aid coming from the World Bank regarding health care and other social needs – total $19,440 in millions from these organizations.

And take a look at page #28 table of American aid dispersed as compared to actual aid given so far. Not so impressive. But then again Halliburton is a for profit company.

Hepatitis outbreaks have gone up also. Maybe becuase of the unsanitary conditions?

So NebraskaDem(?) Do some damn checking before you post stupid lies like this so others don't have to do the research for you. Then again you seem like you don't mind the lies.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 07:56 AM
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NebraskaDem Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 01:52 PM
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49. Not so fast...
So NebraskaDem(?) Do some damn checking before you post stupid lies like this so others don't have to do the research for you. Then again you seem like you don't mind the lies.

First of all, its an opinion article from the Chicago Sun Times genius not a "mass email fraud". Secondly, you didn't do any research. You posted a bunch of statistics without any source to back them up and you know what they say about statistics. Finally, you don't know squat about me or what I do or don't "mind" so why don't you keep your off topic thoughts to yourself and simply address the post instead of attacking me too.

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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 06:13 PM
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50. Here is the link. Sorry that I forgot to post it.
http://www.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index20050714.pdf

You only have to click on your second link then on archives and then on the last archive. It is a long PDF file.
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