Rove is a MORON

[Beetwasher]

I've never shared the opinion of many that Rove is brilliant. I've always thought he was a low-brow, ham fisted goon with a few obvious moves: Massive full frontal attack, or backstab and bait and switch. He's over rated.

Let me tell you what I think happened w/ this whole CIA Leak Affair:

Rove saw Wilsons Op Ed and said "We're going to fuck him! We're going to fuck him like he's never been fucked before!"

They dug up what dirt they could about him and ONLY found out that his wife was a CIA employee and that she possibly mentioned him for the Nigeria job. THAT'S ALL THEY HAD SO ROVE WENT WITH IT.

Dig this. He went off half cocked, without knowing what her REAL job was, which was hunting WMD's. HE PROBABLY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT AN IMPORTANT OPERATIVE SHE WAS! He didn't do his research. He reacted viciously and impetuously and lashed out at Wilson, and he ran into a hornets nest.

Just my read.

[Pale Blue Dot]

1. No, he's a MORAN. nt

[pippin]

2. Yes he is

a moron but a dangerous one because he doesn't know he is one.

[frank frankly]

3. Yes!

I hope it was as short-sighted as you've described!

[pa28]

4. The White House

Is acting like this was some sort of immaculate conception by Robert Novak and nobody actually gave him the information. Somebody canvassed the CIA for this info and it had to be somebody lofty enough to gain free access. My guess is somebody one step from Rove. He's smart enough to have a fall-guy.

[Beetwasher]

6. I would probably agree

But, you never now. He very well might have made a phone call himself. It might have been personal. One can only hope!

[proud patriot]

5. I saw a CNN profile of rove

In an interview rove states that he doesn't know much
about Law ......

:eyes:

In one of the earliest DU polls we were asked who is the most
evil person in this administration .

I answered rove ..

So he is an evil moron

[eileen_d]

7. This thread belongs in LBN!

I would love to be a moderator some day. :evilgrin:

[SuffragetteSal]

12. god help us eileen

perhaps when you've been around a bit longer...

[Old and In the Way]

8. Anyone could look brilliant with the corporate media we currently

are burdened with. A 1/2 way objective media would have toasted this administration by now.

[Emboldened Chimp]

9. He's both brilliant and an idiot

Read Bush's Brain if you haven't already. Explains it all. Basically, Rove has a genius for remembering facts, figures, people, events, etc. He's got an incredible memory; knows the ins and outs of just about every campaign this country has had. But he's stupid at the same time because he doesn't think about the consequences of his actions. He attacks, attack, attacks without thought or remorse. He just doesn't give a shit. He's got gall, that's for sure. He's not afraid to do anything. But he really doesn't understand that everyone, no matter who they are, can eventually go too far. I think he finally has, and he'll pay, not just for this, but for all the people he's fucked in the past.

Time to pay the piper, Karl.

:nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke:

[VermontDem2004]

14. I agree

Everyone should read Bush's Brain to have an opinion about him, I wouldn't necessarily say he is a moron, he got a chimp into the White House with help of course.

[Beetwasher]

21. See, that's just the thing

He didn't get the Chimp in by WINNING the election. If he could have done it that way, with smarts and finesse, I would say it was brilliant. To actually successfully sell a defective product takes brilliance. His tactics however, were ruthless thuggery and threats of violence and complete reliance on the Supreme Court. Nothing brilliant there. The Chimps approval ratings skyrocketed because of 9/11, not Rove's brilliance. A brilliant Political strategist would have been able to sustain those numbers. Rove is unable to do that and has NEVER been able to do that. He's a moron and he sucks at his job. He doesn't understand subtlety or nuance or the big picture. He's neither the intellect, the insight or the instincts of a brilliant person. What he does have is vicious ruthlessness in abundance and a propensity to take big risks. That's not brilliant, as a matter of fact, with no sense of moderation, it's quite stupid.

[RummyTheDummy]

10. He's brilliant in a.....

Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin kind of way.

[union_maid]

11. I'm leaning moron

I used to think that he and the others were evil geniuses, but lately everything that they touch seems to blow up in their faces. The thing of it is, so often the disasters are things that should have been predictable, too, but they don't seem to see them coming. Only conclusion that's possible is that, among other negative qualities, they're morons.

[NJCher]

13. can't see the big picture

I used to think that he and the others were evil geniuses, but lately everything that they touch seems to blow up in their faces.

The reasons for that can be put together from observations in the posts above. Yes, he is incredibly malicious but is unable to forecast the possible fallout from his actions. That's why everything blows up in their faces. If you think about it, this isn't anything different from our foreign policy.

Which leads me to the point that this is typical of republicans overall. Rove is just a straight-up version of can't-see-the-forest-for-the-trees, malicious, anything-goes for power-and-money republican.


Cher

[salmonhorse]

15. Rove was an apprentice dirty tricks impresario of Nixon's...

You can put virtually nothing past such ilk as Karl Rove ~

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen1101.html

[Booberdawg]

16. Rove is brilliant and ruthless

he went too far this time and fucked the wrong guy with Wilson and it's gonna bite him and this whole administration in the ass. These assholes always go too far, and it bites them in the ass eventually. Never fails.

[VOX]

17. Perfectly stated. They always run out of bounds.

The important thing is that the media stays on story with this.

[Beetwasher]

18. Well, that's why he's NOT brilliant

Brilliant people don't make these mistakes. They have foresight and understanding of many different facets. They take into account all sides and angles of a problem. Rove is a ruthless ham-fisted thug. He may be a gambler and a risk taker, but he is NOT brilliant. He can't control himself, he doesn't know his limitations, nor does he or can he predic or foresee the outcomes of his vicious ruthlessness. He's shortsighted, paranoid, vicious, devious and cunning, but not brilliant.

[Skittles]

24. he is NOT brilliant

he's a common f***ing thug. The fact that his despciable tactics work does NOT make him a GENIUS.

[mitchum]

38. WHAT SHE SAID

[Sticky]

19. This Ron Suskind article is quite revealing

http://www.ronsuskind.com/writing/esquire/esq_rove_0103.html

"Then the aide slipped out looking a bit ashen, and Rove, his face ruddy from the exertions of the past few moments, looked at me and smiled a gentle, Clarence-the-Angel smile. "Come on in." And I did. And we had the most amiable chat for a half hour. I asked a variety of questions about his relationship with Karen Hughes. Were there ever tensions between him and Karen? Nope. "Oh, we’re both strong-willed people, but we work well together." I mentioned a few disputes others had told me of. He dismissed them all. Didn’t they sort of bury the hatchet after September 11? Nope—no hatchet to bury"

[bspence]

33. Great read

I liked it. Glad to see people post articles like this.

Rove's a bastard, but he seems to be the downfall of this presidency.

[JNelson6563]

20. I agree

When I first heard the term Mayberry Machiavellis I was struck by it's succinct accuracy.

Julie

[Wickster]

22. Blinded by success

and possibly puffed up with his own self importance he obviously has made the classic mistake of all small minded people -- thinking they were in control and above the law and retribution. Cheney and shrub make the same mistake. All pigeons come home to roost. The only problem is that shrub will probably pardon everyone right after he loses the next election. (CAN he do that?)

[Beetwasher]

23. That's what Poppy did

Not only did Poppy pardon all the criminals from Reagan's admin., I believe after he lost, he pardoned some from his own...

[pmbryant]

25. Yep

I agree that Rove is waaaay overrated. His little "inevitability" act is old and went a good way to costing him the (popular vote) election in 2000. He's trying to play the same game now with Schwarzenegger in California and I'm hoping it will fail just a miserably, though the press has bought it hook, line, and sinker, unfortunately.

I think you're probably right on with your analysis of what went through his mind conerning this Wilson/Plame affair.

--Peter

[opihimoimoi]

26. A Brilliant Idiot??? ABI?? I could go with that

[DinahMoeHum]

27. Even a so-called "evil genius" has a flaw that can do him in. . .

if applied right.

If you read the headline story on Buzzflash today, you'll see that Karl's fatal flaw is that he's vindictive as hell, and he'll smear for pride.

It looks at though he went WAY OUT OF LINE on this situation, and messed around with the CIA. You just don't do that.

:evilgrin:

[NoKingGeorge]

28. Cheney is not a moran

Cheney and the money behind him are driving this bus. Rove is a 'nice to have' because he deflects a great deal of attention from the real international movements. Rove does not have to be smart (he is not) he does not have to be right or wrong, he just has to deflect attention from the bigMoney boys behind poppy and unca Dick.

[Beetwasher]

30. I still say he's not a genius...

Definitely evil though! He's never had the nuance, the forsight or the acumen. His repertoire consists of three moves: Full frontal attack, backstab and bait and switch. There's no subtle strategy, no foresight, no big picture. Just ruthless, petty vindictiveness and cunning, but nothing genious about it...

[loyalsister]

29. Nope he's just like *

He's probably got that narcissitic sociopathy brewing, too. He does his killing figuratively. This figurative mafia murder got the best of him.
Compare him to a serial killer. Their ambitions and egos eventually get the best of them. They love to play with the police when they're after them. They usually screw up when they overreach.

[ElementaryPenguin]

31. Couldn't agree more, BW!! I've always maintained that Rove's intellect

Was VASTLY overrated!!! Everything the stupid fuck does has a jaw dropping transparency to it!! He is merely a ruthless, shameless, short term thinking bastard who's EVERY policy fails miserably!! Nothing clever about him, other than he is a paranoid prick who does a good job of not getting photographed very often!

[pippin]

32. he's an ignoramus

with animal cunning (sorry animals). it is particularly telling how Rove and his crew work--don't bother with the facts, just win and kill anyone who stands in the way:

"here were no actual policy white papers on domestic issues. There were, truth be told, only a couple of people in the West Wing who worried at all about policy substance and analysis . . .Every modern presidency moves on the fly, but on social policy and related issues, the lack of even basic policy knowledge, and the only casual interest in knowing more, was somewhat breathtaking: discussions by fairly senior people who meant Medicaid but were talking Medicare . . .Even quite junior staff would sometimes hear quite senior staff pooh-pooh any need to dig deeper for pertinent information on a given issue."

http://www.ronsuskind.com/writing/esquire/esq_rove_0103.html

[DrBB]

34. Suspect must fit 2 criteria

1) High enough position to have access to have info about the identity of an undercover CIA agent--a very small group I should think; and

2) Stupid enough and hot-headed enough to go sleazing ahead with this stilleto attack without bothering to consider the genuine legal and national security implications--someone who thinks politics and ideology trumps ethics and substantive policy every time.

Does Rove fit that profile?

You bet your ass.

[eleny]

35. The way I figure it...

is that Rove et al have gotten over confident and it's made them impetuous. You're right about them not doing their homework. The thrill of the fast kill got the best of their reasoning in this case.

But remember, Rove is the guy who district by district redirected Texas politics from Dem to R. Patiently, over time, with the big picture for the future as his goal, he patiently plotted and planned and executed that change. Texas is huge with a couple hundred districts.

Now that they control the WH and Congress and are on their way to packing the Supreme Court, I think they're losing sight of the need to be precise and this episode is one sloppy deal. A misstep of major proportions. A zig when they should have zagged. Rove's fatal flaw is that he can't resist destroying people who cross him. Hope you read the book "Bush's Brain". It's a fast read, chock full of details on how he operates.

Edited for grammar!

[DealsGapRider]

36. Hopefully he's a moron...

...who will soon be wearing slippers and an orange jumpsuit with a number on his chest.

[ewagner]

37. Thank you

Finally took the time to read the whole article.

In a way this is probably the most frightening thing I have ever read about this administration.

The questions that is now ringing so loudly in my ears is this:

If the goal of the WH is the accumulation of unlimited power, then to what purpose(s) do they intend to use it?