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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:37 AM
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Rep. Curt Weldon and ABLE DANGER
This is from the Federation of American Scientists' Secrecy Newsletter, edited by Steven Aftergood, which is distributed by email, so it should be okay to quote the relevant portion.



ABLE DANGER: WELDON UNLEASHED

Rep. Curt Weldon (R-PA) caused a stir lately by alleging that a classified military intelligence data mining program codenamed ABLE DANGER had identified September 11 hijacker Mohammed Atta as a threat as early as summer of 2000 and that the 9/11 Commission had been so informed but had chosen to suppress the information.

In an official statement on the matter, former Commission Chair and Vice Chair Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton disputed Weldon's account, and Weldon himself has begun to backtrack, stating that he is no longer certain that a chart he obtained from the military in 2001 actually named Atta.

A copy of the August 12 Kean-Hamilton statement is here:

http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2005/08/pdp081205.pdf

Rep. Weldon has a history of making inflammatory allegations that later proved to be unfounded.

On June 7, 1999 he stood on the House floor and accused the Clinton Administration of leaking the design of the W87 nuclear warhead to U.S. News and World Report. It was a charge he repeated several times, referring to an artist's rendering of the W87 warhead which appeared in the magazine's July 31, 1995 edition.

"This administration leaked this document to U.S. News & World Report, giving the entire populace of the world... access to the design of the W87 nuclear warhead," he alleged.

"I have been told... that it was Hazel O'Leary herself who gave U.S. News & World Report the actual diagram of the W87 nuclear warhead in 1995," he said.

On June 8, 1999 he stated flatly: "Hazel O'Leary leaked the plans, which are in this magazine, for the W87 nuclear warhead."

None of this was true.

No government diagram of the W87 warhead was given to U.S. News. The artist's rendering of the weapon was a conceptual drawing, not a design. It was explicitly credited by the magazine to the Natural Resources Defense Council. An NRDC analyst confirmed that he had supplied the information to the graphic artist, and that it was based on informed speculation, not classified information.

In accordance with the political tactics used to attack the Clinton-Gore Administration throughout much of the 1990s, Rep. Weldon never retracted or apologized for his unfounded accusations.

See:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/bulletin/sec80.html#weldon

According to an August 10 story in The Hill, Rep. Weldon said House Speaker Dennis Hastert will support his potential bid to become the next chairman of the House Armed Services Committee in 2008.


Seems to me that Mr. Weldon should have "I don't know shit from shinola" tattooed on his forehead, just so idiot journalists know not to pay him any mind.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:48 AM
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1. Watching another right wing myth born.
We'll be seeing it until the day we die stated as absolute, positive fact. There will be several versions, each more wildly false and anti Clinton. And there isn't any you could ever say that will make the righties stop repeating it.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:55 AM
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2. Hmm... I suspected as much.
Just the other day I was called a "Freeper", "Crazy", and
"Tinfoil Ready" for pointing out this whole 9/11 resurgence
stuff was a misdirection.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 12:38 PM
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4. So many people want...
Edited on Tue Aug-16-05 12:40 PM by punpirate
... to believe that Bush did it all on purpose--when the simpler explanation is that they just weren't paying attention, and had scuttled some investigations into DC charities which related to terrorist funding as a favor to the Saudis.

But, when people start depending upon highly unreliable sources--and, lord knows, Weldon fits that suit very, very well--they don't realize that they are drifting away from objectivity and may actually be promoting Weldon's agenda. Ah, well.

Cheers.


Edit for clarity.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 12:46 PM
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7. Sadly, I think you are correct...
in your belief this will turn into some sort
of myth-truth.

It has all of the hallmarks of a meme-in-bloom.

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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 12:09 PM
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3. .
kick
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 12:45 PM
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5. This jerk should return on Washington Journal (CSPAN) and
reiterate what he said on his earlier appearance. He told a bunch of disinformation then and he did it just so he can blame WJC for Sept. 11.
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 12:45 PM
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6. When I read that
Weldon's chief source "Ali" was big buds with Manucher Ghorbanifar I knew it was a steamy pile of shite. Also the "Anonymous military source" that confirmed it to the NYT was sat in Weldon's office at the time.
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DFWdem Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 01:32 PM
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8. The 9/11 Commission confirmed Able Danger
Weldon did not make up the Able Danger story. The 9/11 Commission first denied they had been given the information, then they said they did receive a full briefing but chose not to put it in the report because the details didn't mesh with what they thought they knew. It's a cover-up of the highest order.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 02:11 PM
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9. The issue is not whether or not the commission confirmed the...
... existence of the intelligence operation known as ABLE DANGER. It's whether or not the Clinton administration was aware of Atta's existence and blocked the FBI from receiving that information. That's why Weldon is pushing this so hard.

It's immaterial, because the FBI, on its own, was aware of Atta's existence well prior to 9/11--that's how Cheney's claim that Atta met an Iraqi intelligence agent in Prague was debunked. The FBI was tracking him--in the US--at the time that meeting supposedly took place.

To give credence to Weldon's claims (for which he has no evidence whatsoever) is to buy into his agenda.

Here's what the commission has said about the matter:



At the time of the officer’s interview, the Commission knew that, according to travel and immigration records, Atta first obtained a U.S. visa on May 18, 2000, and first arrived in the United States (at Newark) on June 3, 2000. Atta joined up with Marwan al-Shehhi. They spent little time in the New York area, traveling later in June to Oklahoma and then to Florida, where they were enrolled in flight school by early July.

The interviewee had no documentary evidence and said he had only seen the document briefly some years earlier. He could not describe what information had led to this supposed Atta identification. Nor could the interviewee recall, when questioned, any details about how he thought a link to Atta could have been made by this DOD program in 2000 or any time before 9/11. The Department of Defense documents had mentioned nothing about Atta, nor had anyone come forward between September 2001 and July 2004 with any similar information. Weighing this with the information about Atta’s actual activities, the negligible information available about Atta to other U.S. government agencies and the German government before 9/11, and the interviewer’s assessment of the interviewee’s knowledge and credibility, the Commission staff concluded that the officer’s account was not sufficiently reliable to warrant revision of the report or further investigation.

We have seen press accounts alleging that a DOD link analysis had tied Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi (who had arrived in the U.S. shortly before Atta on May 29) to two other future hijackers, Hazmi al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, in 1999-2000. No such claim was made to the Commission by any witness. Moreover, all evidence that was available to the Commission indicates that Hazmi and Mihdhar were never on the East coast until 2001 and that these two pairs of future hijackers had no direct contact with each other until June 2001.

The Commission did not mention ABLE DANGER in its report. The name and character of this classified operation had not, at that time, been publicly disclosed. The operation itself did not turn out to be historically significant, set against the larger context of U.S. policy and intelligence efforts that involved Bin Ladin and al Qaeda. The Report’s description of military planning against al Qaeda prior to 9/11 encompassed this and other military plans. The information we received about this program also contributed to the Commission’s depiction of intelligence efforts against al Qaeda before 9/11.


Now, there are a number of other questions which the commission did not address which are important, but this is not, for the reasons I've suggested. Weldon has a very long history of wild, unsubstantiated claims. I've just offered a couple of examples. Here's yet another:

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=9836

I am simply trying to get people to think more clearly about this, because it's a red herring promoted by a wacko with an agenda. It doesn't meaningfully fit into a government cover-up of the events. It is not as if Atta was unknown to the FBI prior to 9/11, despite Weldon's attempt to portray events in that way.

And, as the latest from FAS suggests, Weldon is now backing off from his earlier claims.

Cheers.
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