Rumor: Arianna to Drop out of the CA Recall?

[Cush]

NEws report on the Bernie Ward Show:

Rumor is Arianna will drop out and support either Cruz or Camejo

[Renew Deal]

1. Who said that?

How many Dem wotes was she taking? Where do you think they will go?

[Doug Decker]

2. Did Arianna say she would drop out...

or did someone else say she would?

Thanks for the update, might be enough, if true, to save this for Davis.

[Terwilliger]

3. I heard that myself

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[shance]

4. PLEEEEEEEEEEEZ!!****

Please, please, pretty please, please, oh PLEEEEEEEEZ......with sugar, caramel, godiva chocolate, any various pleasure inducing drugs on top, you'd be the greatest forever and ever...........um.........

please?

:)

[Terwilliger]

5. Shance

was there any doubt? really? she wasn't going to enter until AHH-nold flipped

[shance]

9. If she had a chance of winning

and she was leading, Id vote for her. I like her, love all the wonderful things she's doing (aside from this**)although I was very disappointed, even angry when she initially entered, and then proceeded to write her off when a few other choices of hers didnt seem to meld.

Okay, reeling back to your question, yes, I did think there was a very solid chance she'd stay in for the haul. But Im glad to see there is a greater possibility thats shes re-evaluating her decision.

Of course the thing that concerns me the most is not the candidates, but the electronic (change the**) voting. Thats the elephant in the room that so many seem to be whistling around....

[Terwilliger]

10. true enough

I'm going to see touch-screens at my polling place

do I just accept it? do I complain to the poll workers? (its in a their garage) I don't know what to do.

Arianna is pretty cool. I like her more and more, though I didn't support her this time out. It's more important now (grumble piss moan) to vote for No/Bustamante. I do like her though, and I hope she does another set of shadow conventions next year.

[shance]

16. Im with ya.

I heard the Shadow conventions were fantastic.

[frank frankly]

6. Arianna, please do anything and everything to stop Arnold

Thank you, Arianna. Please stop this pig.

[David__77]

7. Endorse Cruz!

C'mon! We can work on political reform together: Democrats and all progressives. I know she recognizes that we have a common danger to stave off. It would help in the bay area I know.

[JackSwift]

8. KPIX is reporting that Davis is pressuring Bustamante to pull out

too. I can promise His Assholeness that if Bustamante pulls out, that I will vote yes, and for Schwarzenegger. I am so tired of Davis ego crap.

[Terwilliger]

11. As I said earlier, anyone who would vote for Schwarzenegger is stupid

Just FYI :hi:

[JackSwift]

19. Up Camejo's too

He's just another old Berkeley card carrying communist retread. But you knew that, didn't you?

[Terwilliger]

22. oh bullshit

you'd have Camejo in a minute compared to AHH-nold and his band of merry cutthroats

[JackSwift]

25. Nope.

I will never vote for any Green after what you guys did in 2000. I wouldn't vote for a Repub (never done that), but I would leave the ballot blank if no suitable candidate was running. I am very anti-communist and stronly anti-socialist to boot. It's the old saw that Lenin had against liberals and vice versa: each views the other as more dangerous than the capitalist purists. Capitalism with all its flaws is the superior economic system and I'd rather try tempering capitalism than socialism. Socialism and communism are too easily turned into dictatorships. And Camejo really is former member of the communist party with new label: Green is about as honest as Compassionate Conservative. Just because he moved over the hill doesn't mean that his old opponents don't remember him anymore. Despite the fact that Walnut Creek is a very, very small town politically, I've never met Camejo, and few of the local activists have. It's all so much grandstanding.

[noiretextatique]

27. camejo would turn california into a communist/socialist dictatorship?!

now...i've heard everything :eyes: i thought camejo did well in the debates, but i wish he would drop out now

[JackSwift]

32. ???

No, I was just rambling about the suckiness of communist regimes. Camejo has less chance of being elected governor than I do.

[noiretextatique]

34. LOL...thanks...i was worried about you for a minute

:D

[Terwilliger]

36. long live hatred

:hi:

And communism could be atrocious, but we have corporate feudalism now. How do you expect it all to turn out? Will we stay away from fascism your way?

Oh, did you hear? Bush will likely get MORE than 87 billion. More than too much, and Democrats will be right there.

[JackSwift]

38. Speak for yourself

No, we don't have corporate feudalism now, we have strong tendencies towards that and strong tendencies towards fascism. Communism is always atrocious in real life experience. People get shot for expressing views like mine in a communist regime. The BFEE isn't yet shooting me, or you. Their proxies are threatening violence (Coulter), but they aren't yet bold enough to do anything concrete to us.

I don't expect it to all turn out. There is no end point. Unless we blow ourseleves up or let out the bio agents, or destroy the environment, homo sapiens staggers on. There are no inevitabilities or end points of history. Someone who imagines a "shining city on a hill" like Reagan did is just full of shit. Can I guarantee that fighting the liberal method (rather than the socialist method) will avoid a further slide into facism? Of course not. Anyone who promised that with a guarantee would have misunderstood history's lessons. But socialist and communist "experiments" really give us something that is practically indistinguishable from facism to the end user, and their proponents can't make such a guarantee either. Liberals have fought the fight of liberalism since Locke defined it, and we've won a lot of fights, but few of us have lived long enough to enjoy the fruits of our particular fight. Democratic republics, labor laws, unions, ending slavery, universal sufferage, public education, social security, medicare are all programs liberals have fought for and secured over the never ending opposition of conservatives and radical anarchists and communists and fascists. If we continue to press these programs, we may preserve what we have achieved and may continue to gain more ground over time. But the nihilist "it's got to get worse before it gets better" attitude is, in my humble opinion, a load of Leninist crap. Lenin was a petty tyrant who merely paved the way for Stalin. The genius of the American version of Lockeian government is that no one person can concentrate such power, that each institution naturally tries to preserve and expand its own power. Will it always work? I don't know, but the Bush election in 2000 was a huge step backwards. Thing are indeed worse, and our enemies are enriched and emboldened as a result: that makes our fight that much harder.

I don't want to see Bush getting another 87 billion. I've written my Senators and Congresswoman. He hasn't got it yet. Lautenberg has demanded an accounting. It's my suspicion that BFEE is siphoning off a lot of that money somehow. Any amount it is cut back is necessary. But will it be denied outright? No. The soldiers in the field have to be fed and protected. They are the children of your neighbors, and our legislators have a broader constituency than the individual consciences of Terwilliger and JackSwift.

But when I look at the long political history of this country, I see numerous victories that the public enjoys provided by liberals and none by socialists and communists.

[shance]

14. Jack darlin'...tell me no!!!!

Dont know what the devotion is with Bustamonte, but speaking as a woman, Gray Davis is the number one supporter of Pro-choice legislation of any sitting US governor, and

please remember that so many of our current problems come from many other contributing sources, including that has been largely overlooked which are the passage of a number of incredibly misleading state-sponsored initiatives (education, motor vehicle initiatives, even electricity and power***) that uninformed Californians voted on which have in turn contributed ALOT to the situation we are currently dealing with. And the current situation is not as bad as our national corporate whore media would like to paint.

[JackSwift]

23. My dislike of Davis is

that he does nothing for the party except use it as a punching bag to make himself look conservative. Yeah, he's changed his tune now that he needs us. No, I'm just blowing off steam, I'll hold my nose and vote for the bastard one last time, it's just that I thought I would be doing the last for for Davis last year. I just think that Bustamante's strategy of having two ways we can win is so much better for the party than Davis' "my way or the highway". Bustamante is a good guy who has positioned himself carefully and not stabbed Davis in the back, but rather stood up for people who want to be represented. I like that.

[shance]

26. I will say I was impressed by Bustamante during the debate

He has a nice even keeled demeanor. I was impressed.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

18. Aw comeon Jack..if I can get over my issues with Bustamante

you can get over your issues with Davis...besides...that debate was Cruz's opportunity to shine and he has done nothing but misstep...perhaps it was his ego getting in the way all this time when he really needed to be a team player...it is looking more and more like his strategy didn't help him or us.

Kind of like that little play he did before the last election that almost shit canned us ;-)

[JackSwift]

29. Look one post up for someone who thought he did well

No, I will not forgive Davis. I'll vote for him, but I'll bathe thoroughly afterwards. When Bustamante goes to a state party convention or holds an event, he is there and will meet people and listen. Davis is an ass. He will not meet with local party officials. So I'll vote no on recall and for Bustamante. And if somebody else wins, I'll circulate a recall petition.

[Piperay]

39. If Davis pressures Bustamante out

they he is toast and so are the rest of us in CA, Bustamante is our only hope. I have never liked Davis, I will still vote NO on the recall but everytime I vote for Davis I hold my nose. :-(

[mitchtv]

42. Bustamantes non campaign says

it really doesn't matter. So sad, remakrably ,he promised to raise taxes. he didn't need to ,no one else said anything. I have yet to see a no on recall commercial what a bunch of losers we have. apparantly Davis has decided to concede the battle. He must know by now that his apperance with Big name Dems ends up on page 13, Why no commercial and full psge ads. I know they have the money-People are already voting!

[Cheswick2.0]

43. yes, cause Ahh-nold has no ego, right?

You would rather vote for an idiot with a massive ego than a somewhat flawed democrat?

[JustJoe]

12. Camejo & Huff on the new dynamics...

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-recall29sep29234432,1,506930.story?coll=la-headlines-california

Camejo acknowledged that some of his supporters will feel compelled to support Bustamante in order to keep Schwarzenegger from winning. But he said that every voter has to make the decision individually. "This is a decision the voters make, not the party," he said. "There will be voters who want to vote for me and instead will vote for Cruz. I understand that. I'm not angry at them."

Huffington voiced concern about Schwarzenegger gaining ground in the polls, and said that might affect her role in the race. "I've said from the beginning that it's very important as we're coming close to the race to look at who has the greatest chance to be governor," Huffington said. "And if it's going to be Arnold Schwarzenegger, that's not good news for the state. So this is absolutely something I'm looking at."

Huffington said she is not planning on throwing her support to another candidate, but added, "I'm definitely considering a lot of things."

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

13. Perhaps she figured out begging for change in the middle of a coup

is like asking for rain in the middle of a drought.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

21. If you dying of thirst a dixie cup of dirty water better than a champaine

enema.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

24. No kidding!

Besides, nothing goes up my ass but toilet paper.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

37. TMI, NSMA!

Also I was speaking hypnotheoretically champaine wise.

[noiretextatique]

15. on the news: she'll make an announcement in a few days

i think she's out :bounce:

[Oracle]

28. Hopefully McClintock won't make the same announcement.

[noiretextatique]

30. no shit nt

[VOX]

31. You said it. The pressure's on that bugger to bail out...

For just once, I want a right-winger to hang in there...(that feels just horrible to say).

:kick:

[SuffragetteSal]

17. I really kind of doubt that would be her style

but we will see...what happens?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

20. No it would be her style...she has a conscience

I don't dislike Arianna and frankly think she would have been a GODSEND to clean UP the Democratic party had she waited and joined us and gotten a Dean like campaign going in California. She was a VERY valuable voice in this issue and even in the debates last week. Hell she even served Dems by taking all the shots at Arnold FOR us.

The fact is...as long as there are NO CLEAN campaigns laws...the one with the most money has the greatest chance of getting their message out.

I think we should ALL work towards that as the next order of business in California.

[Oracle]

35. But would Davis openly embrace Arianna, an independent?

Sure he would welcome it...but would he stand in front of the cameras with her, (if this indeed happens)

I think Davis would.

[mitchtv]

40. Arianna is the perfect person

to move out here to Palm Springs and Take Mary Bono's congressional seat away from her. People here are just waiting for a rich goodlooking Dem to vote for. Our last candidate had no money, no help, and an unpronounceable name.(a good anti war candidate, however).

[Cheswick2.0]

44. I would agree if she becomes a democrat

She can be whatever kind of democrat she wants. But she has to give up the third party schtick. It isn't going anywhere.

[mitchtv]

45. Arianna Huffington( D), California

looks good. and that is an entry level position.

[truthseeker1]

33. Absentee ballots

I struggled today while completing my absentee ballot - I really really really wanted to vote for Arianna and kept going back and forth between her and Cruz, her and Cruz, her and Cruz, and finally.........had to go with CRUZ! But, damn, what if I had gone with Arianna????? I would be so pissed if I did and then she dropped out the next day. Now, having said that (and having voted for Cruz) I really hope she does drop out. The reported poll numbers - which, can you really trust them anyway? - show Arnold in the lead and we just simply can NOT have Arnold as our governor! It just makes me want to puke every time I try to envision it. :puke:

Arianna and other candidates who were ever considering dropping out should have thought about the absentee voters and dropped out by now so as to not waste those votes.

[David__77]

41. I hope a lot of voters did as you did.

There is one choice for blocking the right. Bustamante is no Zell Miller. I hope that the vast majority of Democrats and progressives will join in voting for Bustamante while voting against the recall. If this happens, we will win.