Who do freepers blame for high gas prices? n/t

[TheFarseer]

[SteppingRazor]

1. Clinton, of course n/t

[Wickerman]

I read on the DU yesterday that it was Gore's fault

I know everything defaults to Clinton, and by proxy Gore would then be Clinton's responsibility, so Ding, Ding Ding, correct answer!

[Raster]

6. beat me to it!!! Every malady of the planet, the species and the

civilization; past, present and future will be laid on Clinton.

[liberal N proud]

12. if not Clinton then they will use the Freedom isn't Free crap

I have heard that one mentioned a few times.

[leftofthedial]

24. clinton's penis

drilled where it shouldn't have

[Walt Starr]

2. The Clenis

All bad = Clenis' fault

All goo = Dear Leader's doing.

Get it?

[BlueEyedSon]

3. Godless, evil liberals.

:rofl:

[slackmaster]

4. A Republican friend pointed out that gas prices are not high in context

If you consider the effects of inflation we still haven't reached the levels we were paying during the 1974 energy crisis.

I asked how high they'd have to go before he gave up his Lincoln Town Car. He said he'd start thinking about it when gasoline hits $5.

[BlueEyedSon]

5. 12 months

[Wickerman]

11. I heard on Nationalism Propoganda Radio (NPR) today

that we have finally broken the absolute inflation threshold and have crossed into unchartered territory - the highest real gas prices ever.

But, of course, your friend aching to pay 5$ per gallon wouldn't accept that type of accounting since it comes from the liberal controlled NPR.

[SteppingRazor]

15. Here's right in a sense...

At it's worst, in 2005 dollars, oil was at $86/barrel in the 1970s gas crisis.
Of course, that doesn't consider several facts. First, a lot more people commute these days, and their trip is generally longer than it was then.
Also, wages have been almost completely stagnant over the past 30 years, while inflation has continued at the usual rate. So even though it was $86/barrel in the 1970s in 2005 dollars, that still doesn't accurately reflect the consumer's ability to pay.

[rogue_bandit]

20. When will they peak:?

I got an opportunity to ask Senator Wyden (D-Oregon) if he had any idea when the prices would peak. Essentially he said he didn't have a clue. Made me wonder just how much anyone in Washington knows about anything. You'd think a Senator would have a clue.

He also pointed out that gas prices are not high in context. My problem is that people are living further away from work, and that prices are climbing quickly. Poor people are hit most hard. $5.00 a month to a poor person is a totally different amount than it is to someone making $50,000 a year (let alone $1,000 a day).

[Strelnikov_]

27. In Context To What? A Senators Salary?

If this is one of the good guys, you really have to wonder if there is any hope.

While I am all for higher prices finally forcing a transition to renewables, we have to find a way to buffer the impact of the economic Darwinism that will take place as demand destruction accelerates.

Rationing seems to be the only way to accomplish this.

[TheFarseer]

35. rationing might be the only way

People won't get out of their Hummer by themselves it appears. Maybe the mere mention of rationing by mainstream people will settle this down a bit. I hope fall will settle gas prices down anyway.

[phantom power]

21. Your friend needs to remember that gas prices inflate everything.

Filling the tank is maybe the least of it.

[The_Casual_Observer]

25. This is the standard reply. "It's still low"

rw idiots are getting kicked in the balls everyday by bush, and they love it.

[slackmaster]

37. It's the standard lessaiz-faire economic line

Prices are relative to everything else in the economy. At least in theory, when the price of a commodity gets too high, eventually enough people will change their behavior en masse and do something about it.

The problem IMO with that line of thought is that the economics of petroleum are far from a free and open market. The deck is stacked solidly in favor of Big Oil, who manage to profit from every fluctuation up or down regardless of what it really costs us (including human lives) to get the goo out of the ground.

[The_Casual_Observer]

39. "and do something about it" - They do, they raise the prices of everything

else to compensate. I'll bet we are in for a bout of hyperinflation in consumer goods similar to what we have already seen with the housing bubble. While at the same time the housing bubble will burst because of rising interest rates required to "cool inflation".

[slackmaster]

40. I'm thinking more like "THEY will do something about it"

As opposed to I or WE will do something about it.

Other people will start riding bicycles.

Other people will turn down their thermostats.

Other people will get by on lower quality food.

...I'll bet we are in for a bout of hyperinflation in consumer goods similar to what we have already seen with the housing bubble. While at the same time the housing bubble will burst because of rising interest rates required to "cool inflation".

It's a given that no matter how things pan out the banks and financiers will profit from it. That's what distinguishes an ugly Capitalist from a true free market advocate, and it's why we have to regulate some types of business activity.

[noahmijo]

7. environmentalists

[0rganism]

8. Environmentalists and Muslims, of course

And the Clintons. Anything deeply evil or even slightly annoying can always be attributed to the Clintons.

[acmejack]

9. Liberals!

Most likely, Cindy Sheehan.

Refinery problems, Iran, and unrest in Venezuela seem to be their prime suspects.

[Mr_Spock]

10. Clinton, liberals, environmentalists, Satan, the boogieman, Michael Moore

They are not going to take any responsibility for their actions - you can count on that.

[Bill McBlueState]

13. Communists, probably.

It cracks me up how older Freepers continue to blame everything on Communists.

[SteppingRazor]

18. Yeah, that's funny stuff...

They also refer to all Democrats as "socialists." Truly bizarre.

[Ediacara]

14. Clinton, maybe Chavez too, and maybe the Sunnis in Iraq

[Connie_Corleone]

16. Clenis, Hillary and Albright.

[elperromagico]

17. It's a by-product of the Clinton years, naturally,

just like the 90s boom was a by-product of Reagan's economic policies.

Let me key you in to the Republican Truth: Clinton didn't produce economic growth. He just happened to get elected right before economic growth occurred.

By the same token, Bush has produced economic growth. That growth just won't evidence itself until a Democrat has taken office.

It's God's way of keeping Bush humble.

This "black is white, up is down" moment brought to you by elperromagico. :D

[Liberal Ohioan]

19. Different Gasoline Derivatives

What I have heard is that there is a lack of refining capacity. Different regions and states have different requirements for their grades of gasoline. If everyone used a collective few of the better grades (California's gasoline grades come to mind), then the overall cost to produce gasoline would drop.

[TheFarseer]

29. I think a refinery blows up every week.

Yes, that's part of it. It's easy to tell who has the most gas requirements(california) just by price. Maybe we should try to get more uniformity in that.

[Gold Metal Flake]

32. That is part of it.

First, they state what Liberal Ohioan (welcome to DU!) wrote, then blame all of that on tree huggers, enviromentalists, liberals and NIMBYs.

They refuse to acknowledge the record profits of oil companies by either refuting the reports (Liberal Media) or, often when presented with links to the articles on profits they run away or change the subject.

[Touchdown]

34. Ask them this.

How does a lack of refineries affect the price of a barrel of crude? We don't have $60 a barrel because of lack of refining capacity. It's a red herring, and always was.

[jsamuel]

22. HERE:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4365788

[TheFarseer]

30. I completely agree

There are serious fundamental problems, I don't doubt that for a second, but speculators are blowing this all out of proportion. I hope those assholes are enjoying our hard earned money.

[uppityperson]

23. One yesterday told me Exxon executives and other CEOs

were making huge profits and he was pissed about it.

[Jack The Tab]

26. The stretches of imagination and leaps of logic are more pathetic...

in the last 6 months. I visit there at least once a week to see how the hard right looks at the news. In the past 6 months I have seen such outright delusion and paranoia, WAY more than you can usually find there.

It has been truly mind-boggling this past few weeks.

[PurityOfEssence]

28. Democrats for blocking the Engergy Bill, even though they're the minority

It's all our fault; accept it.

[TheFarseer]

33. Thank God it finally passed

and gas prices are tumbling! maybe it takes 8 years to kick in like the bush tax cuts.

[LanternWaste]

31. Clinton has no energy plan!

In '97(?), it was all the rage for the hip, young brownshirt to scream "Clinton has no energy plan! Clinton has no energy plan. This was during the rolling blackouts in CA and all fingers pointed towards the whitehouse...

I actually tried this on a frepper pal of mine app. a month ago at a BBQ. "Whaddya think about the gas prices?" asked the freeper pal who delighted in parroting Rush. "Bush has no energy plan! Bush has no energy plan!" I replied. The vein around his left temple did a jig akin to Hitler's in Paris.

[WoodrowFan]

36. Clinton or Carter?? (NT)

[barb162]

38. Clinton and the devil, who else