Loony Loser Larrys Love Liquor And Lawlessness! Please, No More Excuses.

[DistressedAmerican]

It is pitiful to see how these white males, who control every branch of our federal government and most other aspects of American living, are reduced to such dickless and ineffectual temper tantrums by this one mother. You'd think she was foreclosing on their ranches and gonna put their moon shining out of business.


Larry (#1) Mattlege Who Brandishing A Gun And An Open Case Of Beer Threatened Cindy Sheehan And Other Peaceful Protesters OUTSIDE Of His Property Sunday.

Sadly these will not be the last freaks that crawl out of the wood work before this whole thing is said and done. Larry #1 promised a war against Camp Casey. Vowing to do "whatever it takes" to drive us out. He goes further and invited "every redneck in Texas" to come put on a real show. He gets a talking to and offers of pies.

Apparently taking Larry #1's advice, Larry #2 comes in a day later mowing down symbolic graves in a hate filled and premeditated act of vandalism. He gets a slap on the wrist charge filed against him. This was as much a hate crime as neonazis that torch a synagogue. Where are the hate crimes charges?


Larry (#2) Northern Who Wrecklessly And Hatefully Mowed Down 500 Crosses Bearing The Names Of Soldiers Killed In Bush's Illegal War.

People like this are dangerous and incite other dangerous people to join them. What they need are serious charges filed and pursued. Only then will these (so often excused) "good old boys" get the message that threats and intimidation of the peaceful and law abiding protesters WILL NOT BE TOLERATED IN ANY FORM.

A lot of folks were very interested in reaching out to Larry #1 after he declared war on us and invited the troops to come on down. I argued that we should make sure that a strong stand was taken or we would see more self described rednecks joining him.

The issue here is FAR LARGER THAN LARRY. One or two.

What is important for everyone to understand is that the first incident was the opening salvo in what is being referred to (by them holding guns) as a war against the single most effective peace protest this country has seen in decades. It is like a steamroller of justice and accountability rolling toward Crawford ranch and one guy wants to step in front of that steamroller and stop it by brandishing a gun. Knowing that will likely not be enough, he calls in reinforcements to prevent the steamroller from reaching Bush and his buddies.

There is no complaint about property rights, tax issues, or view that can be allowed as a justification for such action. It must be dealt with forcefully.

For if we do not, we will see a town full of Larry's gunning and steering right for the crowds. I beg of you, no more excuses for intimidation of protesters. Not endorsing his petty and ill founded complaints. And certainly no more of the "good old boy thing".

In the 1960's "good old boys" that didn't know any better and were frustrated that they suddenly were the center of the world's attention killed a lot of folks that came to their area to help. Some were buried in dams. Others were burned alive in churches.

Back then a lot of folks made the same well intentioned but totally misguided excuses for them. Many murderers have not been identified to this day. We ALL understand the Rosa Parks parallels. Do not forget the others.


Three Victims Of Frustrated "Good Old Boys"

Please keep that in mind before you extol the virtues of "good old boys" and their "frustrations". That kind of naivete can get someone hurt. We need to be calling for strict legal protection for the protesters not making excuses for those that threaten them.

[SteppingRazor]

1. It's a WHAT now?

Look, I'm hardly on the yeehaw, Larry side of this issue, but a hate crime? How is what he did anything other than, at the absolute worst, felony vandalism? (and even that's a stretch)

Personally, I think the guy deserves a punch in the nose. But if you're going to apply the law to him, apply it right, yeah?

Or God forbid you get caught ripping a "W" sticker off someone's car.

[DistressedAmerican]

3. Go Vandalize A Synagogue And See The Hate Crimes Charges Get Filed!

HATE CRIME.

[SteppingRazor]

4. Ah. I see...

So, you think the law should be twisted, and he should be branded some sort of anti-Christian because he mowed down a bunch of crosses? Is that it?

[DistressedAmerican]

5. Not In The Mood To Play With You Or Your Excuses.

My message is clear.

No more excuses for those that threaten protesters and incite others to join them.

[AuntPatsy]

8. Your right on the mark, someone could have easily been hurt

had they been their kneeling down by one of the crosses as they have been doing since day one, the punishment should fit the crime, in this case, the crime was not only malicious mischief simply because it was well known that many people have been walking among the crosses.

As a mother, regardless of my stance on this war or political leanings, I would have felt as if my son or daughter had been slain once again as that maniac mowed down the cross that bore his or her name...

[SteppingRazor]

9. My bad.

Sorry for trying to be a voice of sanity.

[DistressedAmerican]

11. Your Bad Indeed...

[LittleClarkie]

19. Indeed. But it was not a religious thing against Christians

so if you're going for religious hate crime, that's probably going to miss the mark. Likening it to the killing of civil rights people, now that's exactly right in my book. But I always thought there had to be a minority involved in a hate crime. We shouldn't cheapen that term by misusing it.

What I want to know is kind of law do we have against intimidation? Against using vehicles and weapons for intimidation? What would have been the law used against those who killed in the Civil Rights movement?

[DistressedAmerican]

24. 500 Crosses. Many Of Them The Symbolic Graves Of Christians.

Although that really is not what I was arguing. Perhaps the hate crimes laws should be extended to cover crimes against those practicing free speech of all kinds?

The basic point is that these people can be very dangerous. I saw a ton of posts excusing Larry #1. Tons of them. The two lines of reasoning being that he was a "good old boy" and that he had legitimate frustrations.

Neither is an acceptable excuse for someone that very directly says that he is launching a "WAR" against protesters and invited "every redneck in Texas" to join in.

Anyone that makes ANY excuse fr that type of behavior ignores the potential long term damage to the anti-war movement as well as the very real threat of physical violence that such behavior begets.

Perhaps the hate crime statute is not what I am looking for here. But, my basic point that these individuals MUST BE effectively dealt with and made an example to others who might seek to repeat or "improve upon" on the actions that we have already witnessed remains.

[LittleClarkie]

26. Good. Stick to your basic point.

The hate crimes thing was muddying the waters. And you do have a good point about these rednecks needing to be dealt with. What we need is a lawyer who can tell us what can be done.

[SteppingRazor]

29. Absolutely agree.

Northern should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law -- everything from felony vandalism to reckless driving and all applicable laws between. My only earlier point was that it wasn't really a hate crime, and prosecuting it as one could easily come back to bite us in the ass.

[DistressedAmerican]

30. Fair Enough

[tk2kewl]

17. It's the Hunting License for Liberals mentality...

It is definitely hate driven, although I don't think liberals technically fall into a protected group. I agree with spirit of the post if not the technical interpretation of the law.

[Syncronaut Seven]

27. As protesters and peace activist aren't a protected group then technically

No, It wasn't a hate crime. Yet you KNOW his black as coal heart and mind were consumed with hate.

A good example of the difference between the letter and the spirit of law.

I also think harassment, reckless endangerment and inciting a riot might also be viable charges.

[DistressedAmerican]

28. see post 24

[Ganja Ninja]

2. Doesn't Texas have a state police force?

Is there any law enforcement on site 24/7 to protect the rights of peaceful protesters? What exactly is the problem? Liberals pay taxes just the same as everybody else and we deserve the same service they would give a convention of GOP low life's.
:rant:

[sniffa]

6. hate crime?

no such thing in texas. :yoiks:

[malta blue]

7. If they are just "frustrated good old boys"

then why did the sheriff ask Cindy to stop sleeping at Camp Casey and move to a "secure" location? He said it makes him sleep better at night knowing she is at a hotel or some other location.

[DistressedAmerican]

10. Sure Sounds Like The Local LE Takes Their Threats Seriously

Sadly, not seriously enough to provide actual 24-hour, on-site protection for them or file serious charges against those making the threats...

[malta blue]

12. well, they know who signs their paychecks

and "subversive" behavior, even when it is the right thing to do, will not be tolerated by the Larrys.

[DistressedAmerican]

16. Nor "OUTSIDE AGITATORS"!

[malta blue]

22. be sure you AGITATE when in Crawford...

I'll be with you in spirit compadre.

[DistressedAmerican]

25. I'm Agitated Already!

[Zenlitened]

15. Is that what he said? That's pretty chilling. :(

:scared:

I'm glad Larry #2 is getting slapped with a felony charge. The test will be to see whether it sticks, or the charges get dropped months from now when things have quieted down.

As for Larry #1, I think he's gotten off too lightly. He clearly was menacing people with a gun.

And I'm still interested to know what's being done to track down the driver of that white pick-up truck who barreled through a group of Cindy's supporters the other day, as they stood on the grass alongside the road. That miserable scumbag should do jail time for assault with a deadly weapon, at the very least.

Seriously deranged and dangerous people on the so-called "right." I'm fresh out of compassion or understanding for all of them. If they want to come to their senses and start doing something productive for this country for once, fine. But if they're going to start terrorizing us now, after all the damage they've done already, I say throw the book at 'em.

[malta blue]

21. and to think, some wanted to send them pies...

I wholeheartedly agree with you. I am fed up with people who want to offer the Larrys (and others like them) an olive branch along with a pie. Isn't there a law against terrorist activity in this country? Wasn't Larry #1 inciting terrorism when he invited "every redneck in the state of Texas" to join him?
:wtf:

[DoYouEverWonder]

13. Have you talked to the authorities about this?

They are the ones that are suppose to provide protection and enforce the law. Unfortunately, sometimes they have to be strongly encouraged to enforce the law, but with all the national attention this thing is getting there needs to be some plan for how to deal with future incidents.

In the meantime, Bush himself should come out of his hidey hole and ask people to leave the Camp Casey people in peace. That would be the christian thing to do.

[DistressedAmerican]

14. Excellent Point. Better Yet, Just Come Out And Talk George!

We will leave as soon as you ask...NICELY.

[DoYouEverWonder]

20. BTW: has anyone seen the Coward in Chief today?

I hear its been at least three days. He must be so drunk at this point that they don't dare let him out.

Want to bet he was riding shotgun with Larry last night? Doing an OJ, hiding under the back seat.

[MsAnthropy]

18. "dickless and ineffectual temper tantrums"--I LOVE IT!

[ohio_liberal]

23. Agree with you about the trifling Larrys in Texas

It's not a religious display so I don't think it will qualify as a hate crime. The fucker is facing time in a Texas penitentiary for a felony. That's as good as anyone is going to get.

Now the two Larrys....I'm tired of hearing excuses for bad behavior. Larry Mattlage was trying to intimidate protesters, and that's all there is to it. I don't want to hear about him being some misunderstood country homeboy. That fool just doesn't want you hippie riff raff taking up space and making noise near his property. And his firing a weapon near a peaceful protest is inexcusable. Why does everyone make excuses for him but Larry Northern gets a verbal lynching? It's all the same damn thing.

[malta blue]

31. kicked and nominated

[NJCher]

32. thanks for the pics, DistressedAmerican

When I read about these situations, I wondered what the perpetrators looked like. Even did a search on Google pics.

These guys are older. Somehow I thought they would be younger. Testosterone rushes and all that, you know. Sorry. Am I being sexist here? Prob'ly.

Oh well,anyway, I just find it interesting that they are older guys. Also, the Larry Northern pic--he looks distrustful of the camera person. Tentative, like he doesn't know what's going to happen next.


Cher

[DistressedAmerican]

34. Made For TV Midlife Crisis (As Someone Put It The Other Day)!

I suggest we propose a reality TV show called Bush's Backyard. Where Larry can work off his frustrations on without having to fire off a few shots to call a Texas Press Conference.

[mondo joe]

33. You forgot the worst Larry of all:

[dxstone]

35. You know how I feel about this, DA...

Spot on, as ever; k&n...
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ps: The Crazy Larrys are indeed comin' out of the woodwork...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4370407
(worthless thread; DON'T nominate--guy probably just wants attention)

[DistressedAmerican]

37. Maybe I Beat You To It,,,

:evilgrin:

[Roy]

36. I haven't done any research........ but....

I bet it wouldn't take a thorough search to learn that the same folks advocating pie, pizza, sympathy for the frustrated good ole' Larrys are the same ones who says Dems should sit down and shut because it makes "US" look bad.