Are we carrying Cindy Sheehan too far?

[alevensalor]

http://watchingthewatchers.org/story/2005/8/16/1408/24369

Don't get me wrong. I truly feel for her. I'm so sorry she had to lose her son in this illegal war in Iraq that our administration is still so hellbent on selling. I can't imagine what it would be like to lose your only child. I wouldn't WANT to even imagine it, as I have one child myself.

Now the poor woman has subjected herself to scrutiny from the likes of Bill O'Liely and Michelle Malkin. I can't imagine how such hurtful lies and rhetoric could be harming her psyche.

Now the public has to know all about her husband filing for divorce. That's none of our business. What marriage could take the stress of losing a child? I don't know that mine could, and I love my husband dearly. But people deal with losses in different ways, and perhaps their ways conflicted with each other.

Then, we have some dumbass shit-for-brains run over the white wooden crosses that represent our fallen troops with his pickup truck. (Funny how it HAD to be a pickup truck...)

Let's face it. Geedubya is NEVER going to meet with Mrs. Sheehan. He doesn't have the compassion or the guts to do it.

And while I admire Mrs. Sheehan's stick-to-it attitude, perhaps she could do more good meeting with representatives and senators, starting letter-writing campaigns, or perhaps using her status to try to obtain information from those in the know that could lead to the end of this war and the possible indictment of members of this administration.

http://watchingthewatchers.org/story/2005/8/16/1408/24369

~A!

[Walt Starr]

1. FUCK THAT SHIT!

CINDY, STICK TO YOUR GUNS!!!!

[funkybutt]

4. LOL

well said

[KyndCulture]

8. bravo, Walt!!!

[Imagevision]

57. Cindy Sheehan has carried US this far - next stop, DC.

[blondeatlast]

17. Well said. nt

[libertypirate]

37. We have taken it too far when people stop dying for bullshit!

I agree with Walt Starr "FUCK THAT SHIT!"

and

We are all the soldiers have fighting for the truth, this isn't about winning it's about doing the right thing.

[alevensalor]

48. lol

That was my first response, too.

Seems to me, though, that this woman needs our support, just not to the exclusion of everything else we're supposed to be doing, too.

~A!

[tyedyeto]

59. Right on, Walt!

Inspiration comes rarely to those who are on the fence. Maybe this will get them moving in a positive direction.

[lonestarnot]

63. Absodamnlutely! FUCK THAT SHIT!

CINDY IS DOING STELLAR WONDERS FOR ENDING THIS WAR!

[Emendator]

69. Yeah!

This is a strong woman who can take the heat. She has catalyzed a voiceless antiwar movement. It could have been anyone. It happened to be her because she had the courage to be first. She took on the world all by herself and has inadvertently become the symbol and leader of the peace party. She is really a hero.

And the reason she will succeed is because of the love for her son. No matter what her critics say, they cannot successfully interject themselves in that mother-son relationship. That's why this story is real. It's the first real honest-to-God truth we've seen since this whole Iraq mess started.

[Wickerman]

2. I think the big picture is that she speaks for many frustrated Americans

She is netting a LOT of media attention. You are right, GWB** is NEVER going to speak to her. And, we win because of it. It only shows what a moran he is.

edit - subject line

[ReadTomPaine]

3. This is Cindy's show - not mine or yours.

She will continue as long as she wants to - you can either support her, or not. Which is it going to be?

[Horse with no Name]

5. You advocate letting their hate crimes chase her away?

I don't think so.
As you know, the majority of our Senators and Representatives are about as worthless as tits on a boar hog.
Cindy has the attention. She has effectively put the ball in Georgie's court and she isn't letting him squirm away.
Too many people let that worthless shit shirk responsibilities and I for one am GLAD that Cindy is standing her ground and not going away.

[KarenS]

6. I think Cindy Sheehan should quit when she is ready to quit and

I will support her decision when she does.

We aren't carrying her, she is carrying us!!!

[salinen]

7. See my thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4370977&mesg_id=4370977

[democrat_patriot]

9. I believe Cindy is carrying us... Our anger and frustration

with this administration and war.

The choice is hers, we are merely supporting players.

[ClassWarrior]

10. Are we carrying Iraq too far?? After all, this isn't about Cindy...

...it's about an illegal, immoral war for power and profit.

NGU.

[shaniqua6392]

11. I am a mother and I can see her determination.

You can see it in her eyes when she speaks. She NEEDS to do this. It is part of her healing and I am proud of her for it. Her baby is dead. She is doing all she can to prosecute his killer. I support her 100%.

[mcscajun]

12. We're not 'carrying Cindy' at all...she's the one who has to decide

how far and how long to take this.

All we can do, all we are doing, is supporting her in whatever way(s) we can.

More than that isn't up to us.

[ultraist]

18. Yep! Cindy is adult who makes her own decisions.

We are not "carrying" her. She is carrying the torch and we are standing with her.

[blondeatlast]

13. She has proven without any doubt that she can speak for herself.

If she tells us to take a hike, I'll take a hike.

In the meantime, I'm sick of reading talking points that seem to be dry-runs from HF interns. I'm not saying that's where this came from, but it sounds just wacky enough that it could be.

Note that they all seem to fall with a quiet, unspectacular thud.

[anarchy1999]

14. oh yes, that has always worked in the past. Let us all go home now and

keep on trying to get our reps and senators to do something with our letters, faxes and phone calls.

Welcome to DU, alevensalor. How long have you been around, have you been a lurking for long?

I think we are all quite aware that Dubya has no intention of meeting with Cindy.

[The Backlash Cometh]

15. Sounds like you have a short attention span.

Do you think the anti-war movement is something you can stick with until it succeeds? Or will you get bored?

[bowens43]

16. Nope. This isn't about congress.

This is about putting a face on those who have paid the price for the illegal invasion and occupation in Iraq. She is doing more good where she is , in the news, then she could possibly do in DC.

As Walt said 'FUCK THAT SHIT'

[Disturbed]

22. Ms Sheehan needs more support.

Where are the top Dems?

[ultraist]

43. Ya, where ARE the top Dems?

Seems to me that it's primarily notable women who are standing with her:

Maxine Waters
Code Pink
Elizabeth Edwards
Rosa Parks
Corretta Scott King (who by the way is in the hospital)

I know I'm leaving people out.

MOTHERS and WOMEN UNITE!

[davidinalameda]

19. if she didn't have the courage to do this

she wouldn't be doing this

she had to realize that the right wingers would be attacking her from all sides--and thank the gods that she's had the courage to stick to her guns in all this

she is doing more good right now than she ever could do by meeting with any senator or congressman

they are going to her!

[Nabia2004]

20. What is with these defeatist questions???

This is the second BS question I have seen today. Who are you people?

Cindy's strength, her cause, is growing and being heard by everyone now. This is only the beginning, march on Cindy.

[Independent_Liberal]

21. No, I don't think we're carrying her too far.

I think we're doing a great thing here. We need to keep it going.

[wishlist]

23. She's doing the carrying, not us. Who else has raised the issues better?

My admiration for her is tremendous. She is brilliant and resilient in her valiant efforts and deserves our total moral support even if we do not agree with every single one of her opinions 100%. We are not carrying her along, she is leading, setting an example of determination in the face of adversity and providing a forum for overlooked Americans devastated by George Bush's decision to invade Iraq. She and all Americans deserve answers and accountability from him and his criminal administration for the Iraq tragedy.

[hippiegranny]

24. who exactly is "we?"

Cindy is doing what she is doing because she feels it is the right thing to do. She has already lost most of her family and has nothing else to lose. Cindy would be sitting in that hot dusty field even if 100's or 1,000's of supporters hadn't shown up. "We" don't control Cindy and what she does or for what reason she does it any more than the righty nutcases do. Why do people always have to stomp all over someone elses gig and try to point out how they think it could be done better? Think letter writing is effective? Write one.

[GOPisEvil]

25. George Bush sent her son to die, HE should meet with her.

I hope he DOESN'T COME OUT, so the world can see what an asshole he truly is.

[patdem]

26. Cindy may be able to write 10 letters per day..but now she can instigate

10,000 letters per day with her vigilance...no..she is doing exactly what she should...she alone cannot change the world...but she can garner the support of thousands who will join with her..and change the world..sorry..a woman alone is just a woman alone..Cindy is the force that makes us move!

[ulysses]

27. we're not "carrying" her anywhere. n/t

[RetroLounge]

28. Your answer is no.

RL

[David Zephyr]

29. You have got to be kidding me! Have "we" carried this too far?!

Please do not include me in your grand "we".

I don't have a clue as to what you mean by "we".

Have you been down there in the ditch beside this woman who lost her son in Bush's war?

I really am appalled by armchair internet typists who sit back in the comfort of their homes and critique activists who bleed in the streets and somehow confuse their comfy typing with street activism.

Really!

Sorry, but your post reminds me of Salieri counseling Mozart that his composition "perhaps just had too many notes."

Criticize Bush, not Sheehan.

Otherwise you are not any part of "we" with me.

[blondeatlast]

30. s Viet Nam grew increasingly unpopular, congress approached protestors.

Remember John Kerry in the early 1970s? I do. I remember him, what was it? Wait, wait--don't tell me...

Oh, yeah--TESTIFYING BEFORE CONGRESS!

[pecwae]

31. What is going on?

This is at least the second thread asking something of this sort? Why can't the woman exercise her free speech without conditions attached? I don't understand why there are comments like this after all the support shown for her here and everywhere. My god, she's done what most would never do. It's up to her when to quit and I support her decision when she makes it, but I would never suggest that she do so for some reason other than her personal choice.

[spuddonna]

32. Guess what? She's done the letter writing, the meetings...

I've seen her testify on CSPAN when Conyers met to discuss the Downing Street Memos in DC. (Remember, when NoSenseInBrenner wouldn't give them a room?)

She's met with reps and senators, and like many here, I'll bet she has written the letters...

Now, she's sick and tired of it, and is standing up in a DITCH to demand answers.

I say: GOD BLESS YOU CINDY!

[0007]

33. It is Cindy Sheehan's call and not our's to question.

Everyone has an opinion and it is okay to talk about those ideas. But this is the Cindy Sheehan show and she has her sights on junior.

[Tyranny_R_US]

34. Yes

If there are other groups there piggybacking off her cause then THEY have gone too far but those working in support of her have not.

[blondeatlast]

36. Interesting; who, specifically, has gone too far?

It's an easy talking point, drive it home if it's true...

[Tyranny_R_US]

38. I have no idea...

I don't know if you just saw the subject or actually read my post but I never made any claims against anyone I was just stating anyone who is just there to push their own agenda and has no interest in supporting Ms. Sheehan has gone to far (IN MY OPINION).

[blondeatlast]

41. Define what is "too far," then, IYO. I think it's Ms. Sheehan's call,

myself.

[spanone]

35. It's BEYOND meeting w/Bush*. Keep it up Cindy.

[Avalux]

39. This is crap.

Mixter must not know that for the past year, Cindy has gone the conventional route in speaking and letter writing - she went to Crawford out of frustration - soldiers keep dying despite her efforts.

I think we all know shrub won't meet with Cindy. She knows it too, and she also knows what she's there to do. She's a tough cookie; Mixter shouldn't worry so much about her psyche. :eyes:

[AnnInLa]

40. You must have a mouse in your pocket....there is no "we"

there is Cindy. There are people who support her...that's us. Sometimes the media goes too far. I hate what Hardball is doing to her message. But, "we" are not doing anything but supporting her. When I see Barbara and Jenna fighting in Iraq, then I will stop supporting Cindy.

[Cocoa]

42. where'd you go?

[ultraist]

45. Another hit and run

What a weak attempt to throw out the "Cindy is being used and abused by the left wing groups" propaganda BS.

[Cocoa]

47. maybe the OP will get pulled over

down the road. :-)

[blondeatlast]

49. I suspect there's a drag race in this thread, actually...

If it talks like a RW talking point, and walks (away) like a RW talking point, well--it's not likely a duck, anyhow...

[Theres-a]

46. Another drive by

[DawgHouse]

44. Cindy is doing what she feels is right

She's not doing it for admiration from anyone. What is the "noble cause?" I will support her until she decides she is finished.

[yurbud]

50. she is getting more done by being there than largest protests in history

I don't even care if she meets with Bush. She should be there and the crosses put up there and everywhere Bush goes.




Hillbilly Hitler art:



Blog:

[goodboy]

51. NO! (nt)

[Warren DeMontague]

52. What- Is she cutting into your Aruba coverage?

Is there some incredibly important aspect of, say, Brad and Angelina's relationship that the media is neglecting to tell you about because they're taking time to talk about Cindy Sheehan?

Because, frankly, despite the fact that hundreds of thousands of people -myself included- have protested the Iraq war in various places and various ways in the past two years, the media's coverage has been slim to nonexistent.. well, really just nonexistent.

Now, Cindy Sheehan comes along and actually has the ear of the MSM in a small, tiny way- and all of a sudden people are saying "she ought to pack it in".

I know why she pisses off the Republicans and the Bushbots. Less clear is why she bothers some here.

But, whatever... It would be physically impossible for me to disagree with you more than I do.

It is her business how she chooses to remember her son. (I doubt that any of the bullshit that Bill O'Reilly or Michelle Malkin can spew is in danger of "damaging her psyche" more than losing a child to a war based on lies has!)

I have the deepest respect for what she has chosen to do, I wholeheartedly support her effort, and I think every day she stays out there she more and more establishes herself as a genuine American hero.

[walldude]

53. Senators and Represenatives? I'm sick of talking to those

lame asses(well most of them anyway). I've been writing my congressmen and senators, I've been calling them. I've been part of letter writing campaigns, voting, anything I could do without having to get out of this chair. Well, playtime is over. Tommorow night my whole family is going to the candlelight vigil (check out moveon.org for one in your neighborhood) and I'm planning to head to Washington for the Peace March Sept 24th. You can only yell so loud.. then you gotta stand up. I stand with Cindy!

[spacelady]

54. Now and Then we need a Cindy Sheehan, Let's Face It, she has

done more standing in a ditch than you will ever do with all your nay-saying braying!

[titoresque]

55. LOL!

HA-hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Representatives.......Hahahahaahahahahaha.........meetings.....hahahahahahah.......letter writing......hahahaha, oh stop, stop you're killing me really.....hahahaha, my side hurts, can't breathe.....stop!

:rofl: :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[SammyWinstonJack]

56. Carry what too far?

Carry on or be squashed!

[Wizard777]

58. She is becoming the Voice of America.

President Bush as OUR employee. We respect your right to dissent against this Peace. But we say, FUCK YOU AND THE STOLEN HORSE YOU RODE IN ON! THEN MILKED FOR ALL IT WAS WORTH! THIS WAR HORSE IS DEAD. QUIT BEATING IT!

WE THE PEOPLE of America demand your immediate surrender to us and our will!

Okay Cindy is more polite about it and just as hard hitting. She is quiet the diplomat. I'm impressed. I would send her to the UN instead of Bolton.

[troubleinwinter]

60. Who the fuck are you to second guess? Bug off.

[BikeWriter]

61. Excuse me? She tried all that shit. It didn't work!

[sintax]

62. In most instances personality politics and icons

are a distraction and disempowering. This situation is quite different.

this is possibly a firestorm and Cindy is not only showing courage in the face of the Crawford coward but also saying ,point blank, much of what passes for the political left is afraid to say.

She is a Greek Mother


Seeing things and remaining quiet about them will change nothing, not even ourselves. But saying things - having the courage to testify to our own forbidden knowledge - could be the way the world changes.

[Scout1071]

64. I don't know. You tell me. Read here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4374243

[tyedyeto]

65. This could be the catalyst that

our country needs to wake up.

I have heard some devout Repugs say 'why doesn't * just meet with her and get it over with'. Some are even beginning to see the light.

If this vigil of Cindy's prods minds to think that............ Then go for it Cindy!!!!

[More Than A Feeling]

66. you mean she should do the things that haven't worked yet?

Why should she give up what she is doing now when it is working?

[bpilgrim]

67. are the neoCONs in HAND-CUFFS, yet?

HELL NO

"perhaps she could do more good meeting with representatives and senators, starting letter-writing campaigns, or perhaps using her status to try to obtain information from those in the know"

how do you think she got "her status"? we need a whole lot more... think CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, WOMENS RIGHTS MOVEMENT, anti-war MOVEMENT... we need a whole lot MORE not less, friend.

this is only just the beginning, and the best beginning i've seen in 5 years :bounce:

psst... pass the word ;->

peace

[pox americana]

68. Impossible. Like they say in those '30s newspaper movies...

she's a sensation!