The True Number of US Soldiers Killed in Iraq

[Midwest_Doc]

While the U.S government tells us that 1,600 troops have died in Iraqi battles, the real number may be closer to 10,000. In order for the government to count a death as Iraqi war-related, the service member must die on Iraqi soil. If a wounded soldier is transferred out of the country, and later dies of his wounds (or dies in transit) - that individual is NOT counted as a war-related death.

Ask your elected representatives for the real numbers!

[Caleb]

1. Hasn't this myth been debunked numerous time?

[SidDithers]

3. Only once a week or so for the last few months....

:)

Sid

[grytpype]

2. not true

been debunked numerous times

[Ian David]

4. It has? I missed it. Anyone have a de-bunking link please? Thanks!

[SidDithers]

5. Can you supply the name of a soldier...

who died outside of Iraq, who isn't listed at www.icasualties.org?

Thanks,

Sid

[oasis]

6. Wouldn't parents and spouses object if their deceased loved ones are not

placed on official lists?

How can the Pentagon hide 8,000 deaths?

[Cha]

7. There are 1858 Official Casualties

according to this site..

http://icasualties.org/oif/

And, I know there are more.

[Richard Steele]

16. Well, if you "KNOW", please tell us.

[SidDithers]

18. Please supply the name of a soldier who is not listed...

Thanks,

Sid

[halobeam]

20. tell us, just don't claim you know

without real information to go along with it.

[Cha]

23. Because it is the death count from

only the ones who die in Iraq..not the Soldiers who are critically wounded and die in Germany or at home.

[SidDithers]

24. See post #12....nt

Sid

[shaniqua6392]

8. Maybe not true. Maybe partially true.

I did hear a former marine in Iraq call into Randi Rhodes one day and he confirmed that this was in fact happening. The death count is ONLY those who have died in Iraq. If they are wounded and then die after they are shipped to Germany, for example, then they are still in the wounded count. Randi said that she had heard this from other military callers. Regardless, I do not think we will ever know the truth.

[SidDithers]

12. Included in the count at icasualties.org...

Date Name Cause Country of Death
08/10/05 Benson, Michael A. Hostile - hostile fire - car bomb USA
08/05/05 Ball Jr., Terry W. Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack USA
08/04/05 Simon, Chad J. Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack USA
07/14/05 Hines Jr., Timothy J. Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack USA
06/21/05 Milev, Marin Milev Non-hostile - vehicle accident (drowning) Germany
06/13/05 Mattek Jr., John J. Hostile - hostile fire - explosion USA
06/03/05 Mendoza, Antonio Hostile - hostile fire - explosion USA
05/24/05 Collins, Randy D. Hostile - hostile fire - mortar attack USA
05/22/05 Seesan, Aaron N. Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Germany
05/11/05 Schmidt III, John T. Hostile - hostile fire - explosion USA
05/10/05 Bordelon, Michael J. Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack USA
05/02/05 Little, Tommy S. Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack USA
04/12/05 Dickens, Tyler J. Hostile - hostile fire - RPG attack (?) USA
04/09/05 LaWare, Casey M. Non-hostile - building fire Germany
03/04/05 Garceau, Seth K. Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Germany
03/03/05 Jones, Michael D. Non-hostile - illness USA
01/04/05 Washington, Bennie J. Hostile - hostile fire - RPG attack USA
12/29/04 Nelson, Craig L. Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack USA
12/09/04 Renehan, Kyle J. Hostile - hostile fire - mortar attack Germany
12/01/04 Pena, Javier Obleas-Prado Hostile - hostile fire Germany
11/27/04 Smith, Michael A. Hostile - hostile fire - sniper USA
11/24/04 Nolte, Nicholas S. Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack USA
11/23/04 Edinger, Benjamin C. Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack USA
11/20/04 Heredia, Joseph J. Hostile - hostile fire Germany
11/20/04 Welke, Joseph T. Hostile - hostile fire Germany
11/19/04 Downey, Michael A. Hostile - hostile fire - sniper USA
11/07/04 McVey, Otie Joseph Non-hostile - illness USA
10/22/04 Gadsden, Jonathan E. Hostile - hostile fire USA
10/13/04 Baker, Ronald W. Hostile - hostile fire - car bomb Germany
10/03/04 Pettaway Jr., James L. Non-hostile - vehicle accident USA
09/30/04 Nolan, Allen Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack USA
09/28/04 Prewitt, Tyler D. Hostile - hostile fire - RPG attack Germany
09/19/04 Adams, Brandon E. Hostile - hostile fire - grenade USA
08/09/04 Houghton, Andrew R. Hostile - hostile fire - RPG attack USA
08/05/04 McCune, Donald R. Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Germany
07/21/04 Engel, Mark E. Hostile - hostile fire USA
07/15/04 Mardis Jr., Paul C. Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack USA
07/02/04 Martin, Stephen G. Hostile - hostile fire - car bomb USA
06/03/04 Bolding, Todd J. Hostile - hostile fire Germany
05/18/04 Chaney, William D. Non-hostile - illness Germany
05/08/04 Holmes, James J. Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Germany
04/22/04 Dunham, Jason L. Hostile - hostile fire USA
04/20/04 Fox, Bradley C. Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Germany
03/20/04 Vega, Michael W. Hostile - vehicle accident USA
03/19/04 Matthews, Clint Richard "Bones" Non-hostile - vehicle accident Germany
03/18/04 Sutphin, Ernest Harold Non-hostile - vehicle accident Germany
01/05/04 Frist, Luke P. Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack USA
12/02/03 Young, Ryan C. Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack USA
11/20/03 Tyrrell, Scott Matthew Non-hostile - ordnance accident USA
11/08/03 Jimenez, Linda C. Non-hostile - accidental fall USA
11/06/03 Fisher, Paul F. Hostile - helicopter crash (missile attack) Germany
10/01/03 Ramos, Tamarra J. Non-hostile - unspecified injury USA
09/16/03 Pinkston, Foster Non-hostile - illness USA
09/07/03 Thompson, Jarrett B. Non-hostile - vehicle accident USA
08/17/03 Ivory, Craig S. Non-hostile - illness - heat related Germany
08/14/03 Kirchhoff, David M. Non-hostile - illness - heatstroke Germany
08/06/03 Colunga, Zeferino E. Non-hostile - illness - acute leukemia Germany
07/12/03 Neusche, Joshua M. Non-hostile - illness - pneumonia? Germany
07/08/03 McKinley, Robert L. Non-hostile - illness - heatstroke Germany
07/04/03 Coons, James Curtis Non-hostile - suicide USA
06/18/03 Latham, William T. Hostile - hostile fire USA
06/01/03 Lambert, Jonathan W. Non-hostile - vehicle accident Germany
04/24/03 Jenkins, Troy David Hostile - hostile fire - bomb Germany

http://icasualties.org/oif/Dow.aspx

Sid

[geek tragedy]

9. At least post new phony bullshit. Old phony bullshit is really

aggravating.

[Vinnie From Indy]

14. LOL! n/t

[gkhouston]

10. Is it Tuesday?

Aren't we only supposed to discuss this B.S. on Tuesdays?

[tavalon]

30. Tuesday

Thursday. They start with the same letter so........

But, yeah, we were only supposed to discuss this on Tuesdays. Maybe we could get Skinner to put it in the rules. ;)

[Qanisqineq]

11. Please see this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3688105

[SidDithers]

15. Thank you, Thank you!

I will bookmark that thread to use any time one of these posts gets started.

Sid

[Qanisqineq]

19. you are very welcome

usually I never have any useful threads saved, but this one comes in handy!

[ProdigalJunkMail]

13. this...again?

come on...

Subject Prodigal

[Cleita]

17. Also, peculiarly missing in this war's statistics are MIA's an

important issue in the Vietnam war.

[alcibiades_mystery]

22. The question of MIAs in Vietnam was surely important

The "MIA" myth has allowed the US government to hide 2,000 additional deaths in Vietnam, as well as facilitating a bizarre Vietnam recuperation effort throughout the 1980's. The simple truth is that all unaccounted for in Vietnam probably died around the time that they went missing from US military duty, and the US government perpetrated the mad fraud of "live POWs" kept in custody after the war in order to make the Vietnamese, who were victims of US colonial aggression, into villians. Oh, of course this myth was also perpetrated by the right wing lunatics in order to accomplish a number of domestic political purposes, and by a wide variety of feckless hucksters, who defrauded MIA families out of millions on the basis of phony evidence and weird "freedom" trips to Thailand and other exotic places - all the while denying these families the closure they so desperately need, and feeding them hope that their dead relatives will be rescued from non-existent tiger cages - a sick lot of criminals, to be sure. There never were any live POWs after the release of POWs, with the exception of one turncoat who decided that he'd like to see Texas again after having deserted and served with PAVN forces. Strangely enough, the US has thousands of "MIAs" from World War II - or had thousands: the official policy was to label an MIA KIA if nobody could account for their whereabouts after the war. This policy was cravenly changed in the mid-1960's by Pentagon gangsters intent on punishing the Vietnamese: if your remains aren't found, and nobody saw you DIE, you were MIA, and remain MIA, the upshot being that the people of Vietnam are suddenly responsible for accounting for your remains. This has led to a number of absurdities, such as a pilot whose plane crashed in sight of an aircraft carrier in the South China Sea, and whose body was never recovered, being listed as MIA, with the government of the DRV on the hook for dredging up a body. Ridiculous? Of course it is, but good goddamn theater for Vietnam deniers and right wing hypocrites...

[artfan]

21. I know this has been debunked but

it is possible that there are deaths that occur due to medical complications that are not reported. I would not be surprised that a few died of infections etc who are not listed in the official lists;some of the injuries like burns etc but not more than a few. I also do expect that there are many MIAs this is a different environment from Vietnam and we have fewer troops on the ground.

[EST]

27. There is a number of victims of PTSD who have committed

suicide and murder/suicide after returning, whose demise seems strongly linked to the Iraq war and, IMHO, should be listed in those totals. There will, no doubt, be additional victims but the rest of this misinformation is sneakily kept alive by the true foil meisters and the warped rabid r/w. I think the brain worms that compel people to infect the internet also make them want to keep us distracted-probably amusing to certain sociopaths. Wormy brains seem to be so frustratingly common in freeperland.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

25. icasualties.org

That and a brain is all you need to debunk this.

[EST]

29. A brain that is comparatively worm free.

[LiberalEconomist]

26. That number is not the dead

From what I understand, from conversations with people in the VA is that the number of wounded is getting close to about 14,000. When I say wounded I am referring to the number of disabled: blown off arms, legs, excessive burns, persistent infections.

[WilliamPitt]

28. This rumor will never stop, it seems

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3688105