I believe China and Venezuela will act if we attack Iran. Do you ?

[bearfan454]

China just might sell all of their T-Bills. Chavez has already threatened to cut off oil exports to the US. Maybe some of the OPEC countries will change their oil currency to the Euro instead of the dollar. All these things are possible. What do you think will happen if we attack Iran ?

[H2O Man]

1. I would suspect

that Russia and China might be concerned.

[craychek]

2. well

if we took over iran we would control all their oil meaning we wouldn't need anyone else's.

[BlueEyedSon]

3. Huh? Iraq has even more (2nd only to S Arabia), and we still need Iran's?

[SidDithers]

6. But, like Iraq, you won't be able to get any out of the ground...

and if you do get it out of the ground, how long before the the pipelines are all blown up?

Sid

[Terran]

14. Yeah, like we've "taken over" Iraq?

I assume you mean that statement in the most theoretical way possible. The US will never "take over" Iran. We may bomb the hell of their country but that's about it.

[formerrepuke]

4. Or, a coalition of nations will build up against us b/c they are fed up

with the ongoing PNAC-approved aggression. China could very well lead such a coalition.

[bearfan454]

5. I believe that is entirely possible.

I have told pukes I know that if several other big countries ganged up against us we would lose. They don't want to even think that could happen. But it could.

[htuttle]

7. Venezuela doesn't have to 'attack'

All they have to do is start selling all their oil to China.

The way things are going they might end up doing that anyway, even if Bush doesn't attack Iran.

[cliss]

17. Great point.

Hugo Chavez appears to be ever so slowly, moving in that direction anyway. And the US is not winning any popularity contests lately.

It would also explain why RumsFool is in Paraguay today, bolstering up his fading support down there. It's a pretty clear fact that to the south of the US, countries are aligning together like never before. And it's got to strike terror in the heart of the State Department.

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In the global game of Chess, there is more than one way to win! As the US spins its wheels in Iraq, going nowhere except broke, China and Russia watch from the sidelines.

They know we're technically bankrupt now. If we were a corporation, we would be filing for Chapter 11 right now.

They could win, without even firing a single shot. All they have to do is let Cheney and Rumsfool run the show, enriching their corporate cronies using tax dollars, as the country itself hemorrhages to death financially.

I don't believe Russia and China want the US to invade Iran. They will supply arms to that country. They will give them nuclear technology, if that's what it takes.

BUT --- if the US, in a suicidal move should decide to march in anyway (and it would be a sign of desperation), these 2 countries would fight us vicariously in Iran. They would make sure we were usurped at every turn. They would be merciless.

Dick, are you sure this is what you REALLY want?

[Art_from_Ark]

31. Putin wouldn't do anything to hurt us, would he?

After all, Junior looked into his eyes and saw his soul, and declared that "Pooty-Poot" was a man he could trust :crazy:

[still_one]

8. they will not act overtly, and that means they won't sell the t-bills

but I would not be surprised to see China and Russia supplying supplies and arms to Iran

The worst thing would be what it would do to our soldiers in Iraq

Attacking Iran would unite the Shiites in Iraq against our soldiers

The sooner we get out of there the better

Most of the people who believe that it is just a matter of time for the insurgency to fade away in Iraq have no idea what we are up against

The only question is how many more deaths will we accept before we withdraw

[bearfan454]

13. I've told people about the insurgency like this :

It's THEIR country. They are never going to give up, ever. If some country invaded us we wouldn't give up either.

[still_one]

26. that about sums it up

[beyurslf]

9. Venezuela is so pissed off at us now I think they might stop selling

us oil if Bush sneezes in their direction.

[Dhalgren]

10. I see China, Venezuela, and maybe Russia leading a coalition

(political at first) against the US. I think cutting way back on diplomatic ties (Chavez might actually sever), some form of sanctions and the development of an alliance of some sort with the formal purpose of opposing US global policy...

[JNelson6563]

11. And Saudi Arabia

Remember that the House of Saud sits on the precipice. Wouldn't take much to spark an uprising over there and I think for the US to invade Iran would provide that spark. No matter how in love the Saud and Bush families are, when their power is threatened friendship counts for shit.

Julie

[politicaholic]

12. It wouldn't be the only "War by Proxy" with China the US has had...

and lost.

The US can't beat China in a war. As much as all of the repukes and "people in the know" might make their screaming newborn face, the world lost in Korea, and the US got its ass handed to it in Vietnam.

Attacking Iran would be a grave mistake. It wouldn't bring China into a full scale war, but the financial backing would be tremendous.

[quinnox]

15. China is a big boy

If they get aggressive then it will be time to start speaking chinese in America! Our new national language

[koopie57]

16. I too think that

if we go into Iran or Syria that other countries will join forces to stop us. It might be different if we knew what we were doing, but this administration does not instill confidence in many. I think I feel this way cuz I can't imagine what would happen if no one stopped us. Does anyone want this administration ruling the middle east? And, of course, I love my country, but our country is not this administration.

[stevietheman]

23. Hopefully, a lot of countries *will* join up against us if....

Bush is foolhardy enough to go after Iran or Syria. In fact, good patriots should *invite* other countries, even allies, to stop our criminal government from even thinking about this ridiculous idea.

[pauldavid]

18. We have a better military but

all that has to be done to push the US under is de-valuate our money and raise the price of oil another 60% or so. China and Venezuela or Iran can and will do this, no problem. There is a major competition coming over the worlds remaining recourses and China is going to need WAY more then they use right now. With a broken US economy, China can get all it needs to grow into the worlds superpower.

[bearfan454]

20. What a backfire that would be

that the chimp's greed oriented policies caused China to grow into the world's superpower.

[stevietheman]

24. But recall that the U.S. is biggest marketplace for its goods...

therefore, China would certainly think twice before trying to plow under the U.S. economy. I think they would prefer to just strain it... just enough for our political winds to change.

[pauldavid]

34. Short term, I agree

But when there is not enough to go around, it wont matter how much they sell to us. One of us is going to be taking oil by force. Industrialized societies depend on oil, not just to drive our SUV's to the beach, or make plastic big gulp cups, but to grow the food needed to support the large population booms that happen after their industrial revolution. Stocking our wall mart shelfs with cheep goods wont matter when the cost to grow and transport enough food to feed gets to high. Hell, the price to ship that junk over the Pacific will make cost more that we can afford. One of us is going to take the oil by force from the other. I think they have the upper hand, but maybe I am wrong.

[bearfan454]

19. from cthrumatrix

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4388071

[FreeStateDemocrat]

21. China sent "volunteers" into Korean War and could do it again in Iran.

[DinahMoeHum]

22. Maybe, but why waste them? They could take us down economically,

without firing a shot.

:evilfrown:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

25. Not only from China

One of the "Stans" (Tadjikistan, I think) is made up of Farsi-speaking people. And Shiite Muslims from around the world would volunteer to fight on the Iranian side.

Do you suppose the Busheviks are even thinking about these things?

[bearfan454]

28. Yes I do.

They are stupid enough to do it.

[samsingh]

27. Russia will also act

[paulk]

29. I doubt if their actions would be as drastic as you lay out

China won't sell their t-bills. Their economy is too dependent on exports to the US - hurting our economy would hurt their's just as badly.

Venezuela couldn't immediately cut off oil exports. Venezuelan oil is some of the most expensive to refine in the world - no one else is set up to do it like the US is - there wouldn't be an immediate market for it until another country built the necessary refineries.

What would Venezuela do for money in the interim?

These scenarios based on the idea of trashing the US economy as some kind preventative aren't realistic. The US is the biggest debtor nation in the world - many other countries rely on our imports from them to keep their own economies afloat. They have a vested interest in keeping the US economy well...

[knight_of_the_star]

30. For now

Doesn't mean they won't start taking immediate and decisive steps to change that matter.

[paulk]

32. Venezuela will, for sure

Chavez is definately taking steps to cut ties with the US.

[catmandu57]

33. If rumors are true and they want to use battlefield nukes

against Iran, then I can see the entire world banding against us. The use of nuclear weapons even small ones affect the entire region, what are we going to do with the military personnel that are there now?
These idiots insist on playing mayberry checkers in a world chess match, we need our asses spanked and sent to our bedroom for a timeout.

[bearfan454]

35. kick