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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 12:03 PM
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Drudge counts on the uneducated to not know the difference...(Clark)
Edited on Tue Sep-30-03 12:07 PM by wyldwolf
The headline is on the top of the page: General Clark Explores Possibility Of Time Travel... And the article links to a Wired Magazine article in which Clark says:

"...I can't believe that in all of human history, we'll never ever be able to go beyond the speed of light to reach where we want to go," said Clark. "I happen to believe that mankind can do it."

"I've argued with physicists about it, I've argued with best friends about it. I just have to believe it. It's my only faith-based initiative."


No mention of time travel. But Speed of light travel. (or warp speed - people often confuse the two.) There is a difference - and you would think the scientists quoted in the article would know better.

Sure, Clark isn't qualified to argue with physicists on a scientific level. But we've all read pieces from scientists who have explored the possibilities of it. Some have said it is possible. So on the surface - from a purely conversational level - anyone can argue with a scientist from the position that scientists often disagree with each other's opinions.

And we all know how fruitless it is to declare anything is impossible.

But back to the main point. The point is speed of light travel. Not time travel, and the Wired Magazine scientists speak of them as one in the same...

Gary Melnick, a senior astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, said Clark's faith in the possibility of time travel was "probably based more on his imagination than on physics."

Correction Dr. Melnick. We're talking about speed of light travel.

Speed of light travel as being studied by NASA with their Breakthrough Propulsion Physics (BPP) Project. (The project lost funding under the Bush administration.)

In 1996, NASA established the Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Project to seek the ultimate breakthroughs in space transportation: (1) propulsion that requires no propellant mass, (2) propulsion that attains the maximum transit speeds physically possible, and (3) breakthrough methods of energy production to power such devices. Topics of interest include experiments and theories regarding the coupling of gravity and electromagnetism, the quantum vacuum, hyper fast travel, and super luminal quantum effects. Warp speed. Because the propulsion goals are presumably far from fruition, a special emphasis is to identify affordable, near-term, and credible research that could make measurable progress toward these propulsion goals.

Scientists working on this project generally agree that "warp drive" won't be a reality in the forseeable future. They say this NOT BECAUSE they feel it is impossible but because the physics to do it are not yet known. But that is where the research is...

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/
http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/PAO/warp.htm

"I just have to believe it. It's my only faith-based initiative." Clark's comment prompted laughter and applause from the gathering.







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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 12:09 PM
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1. Drudge is just getting silly
Good grief. How many of us have speculated about what science might bring us hundreds of years from now?

MzPip
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 12:11 PM
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2. Yes, But This Fits Into Their "Clark Is Wacky" Meme
So they're going to push it anyway.

Dumb fucks.

DTH
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 12:14 PM
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5. But DTH....
have they not proven that travelling faster than light causes Haitian men's tits to grow? Or something?
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 12:16 PM
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7. I Actually Think Clark Traveled Back in Time to Destroy Waco
Single-handedly, with his Haitian tits-of-doom.

DTH
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 12:17 PM
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8. Oh my goodness!
There's a superhero I'd rather not see! ;)
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 12:26 PM
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11. Haitian Tits of Doom
Oh dear G-d. ROFLMAO I can picture this as a headline on Weekly World News at the check out stand!
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 12:17 PM
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9. Skull and Bones has a time machine
Edited on Tue Sep-30-03 12:18 PM by WoodrowFan
In their secret lab at Harvard.*



Yes, I know they're at Yale, that's why it's so secret!!
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 03:22 PM
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14. I agree
Edited on Tue Sep-30-03 03:23 PM by jumptheshadow
And it also panders to the fundies.

"It's my only faith-based initiative."

On edit: Are they desperate, or what?
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 12:11 PM
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3. Drudge has probably never speculated about science
He's too busy speculating about which bald-faced lie will get him the most publicity.
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Brian Sweat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 12:12 PM
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4. I understand how Sludge came up with the argument, but he is wrong.
According to physics*, you cannot travel faster than light, but if you did you would go back in time. It could be argued that someone who believed that you could travel faster than light must believe in time travel, but it would be wrong.

Clark is arguing that special relativity is wrong. If he does not believe in special relativity, then you cannot turn around and use special relativity to argue that his lack of believe in special relativity means that he believes in time travel.

Also, even if we could travel faster than light and go back in time, it would not be time travel like in the movies. We are currently traveling through time. We are just traveling foward in time. Going faster than light would simply allow us to travel backward in time in the same manner.


*Physics as I understand it. Which is to say, I don't.
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TheBlob Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 12:14 PM
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6. Looks like they've got their new "Al Gore invented the Internet"
talking point.

Truth be damned.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 12:17 PM
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10. Yet Drudge posts this on the same page!
Space Station Stay Shows Humans Could Go to Mars...

Now, THAT project would sound impossible to my great grandparents(Civil War Era.)


Drudge is the living example of the definition of conservative. One that can't move forward.
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 02:44 PM
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12. even if something is possible, that doesn't mean it should be funded
this remark of Clark's sounds like something from a card-carrying member of the military-industrial-complex. there are zillions of better avenues of research that are denied funding, while pie-in-the-sky sh*t grabs dollars.

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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 03:19 PM
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13. It's obvious that Clark was using a metaphor to lead up to a joke...
The RW is always using this dirty trick -- twisting words or creating entirely new concepts out of words.

What's more infuriating is when outlets like CNN and NBC pick up on and feed into the lies such as "Gore invented the Internet." Gore never said it (he said specifically, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.")
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/03/09/president.2000/transcript.gore/

If the media tries to portray Clark as "General Time Warp" or whatever, he will have to quash that lie *immediately*.
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 03:25 PM
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15. Yep. Rush was harping on this. Called him insane, IIRC.
The smarter you are, the more likely it is that people will call you insane.
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Bertrand Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:14 PM
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16. Drudge is obsessed with Clark
Einstein speculated that as the speed of object increases, time decreases to the point that time stands still once the speed of light has been achieved. Theoretically, time travel can exist once the speed of light has been broken, so the concept is entirely intellectually feasible which means Drudge is either ignorant of this or is being dishonest and trying to frame Clark as crazy. From his history, it's probably the latter.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:20 PM
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17. DU is obsessed with Drudge
And we provide him with funds too- every time someone clicks on a DU/Drudge link- Drudge gets advertising $$$$...

Want to fund Bush media? Post Drudge articles at DU!!!!
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 07:24 PM
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18. At last I'm in agreement with Faux
Yes, Clark can beat Bush like a bad piece of meat....Note to Faux: Your internal polling numbers are running down your leg.

And on a more serious note, it is depressing to read a post that spins this comment as "Clark wants to fund the MIC" and thereby, speads the meme-o-lie. Must we continue to do their sleeze-balling for them?

Yes_the want to gin up the Clark is crazy bullshit.
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imhotep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 07:43 PM
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19. Clark's version of corporate welfare
imagine the billions in handouts Lockheed and Raytheon would get under this "faith based" welfare...
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 07:46 PM
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20. Clark just won every trekkie and sci-fi fan in the country
FOX and Rush and Drudge are basicly handing Clark white male voters. A conspiracy? :)
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bookman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:27 AM
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21. Letterman
Dave made a joke about Clark and "Time Travel". His writers must read Drudge?
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