I wish that Wes Clark, would man the front while Cindy is gone.

[Melodybe]

I think it would be a beautiful gesture and I personally would love to see it happen.

So hey, Wes Clark, be my hero and do something about this.

I'm working hard, I know it's in ya.

[hippiepunk]

1. Umm..

Why? What does Clark have to do with this?

[Melodybe]

8. I just like Wes Calrk and of all the establishment Dems

I think that his support would help the situation.

I like him and so I wrote a thread about it.

Btw yay Richard Dreyfuss and Josh Lucas!

And all the other celebs that have come down, it says a lot.

I think that Wes, would say a lot of the right things about this war. Personally, it would make me happy to see Wes doing something like that.

That's all.

[Ilsa]

2. I can't see Wes Clark doing that...

He's too active to go there and sit and do interviews. There'd have to be a constant stream of organized activity, I bet. But I'd love to see him enter into this deal to support her someway. I liked the other idea of him visiting her.

[TahitiNut]

3. I'd hope the GSMFP have a deeper 'bench' than that.

:shrug:

[Caleb]

4. Why Wes Clark?

I like Clark, but why not another Gold star mother?

[Whoa_Nelly]

5. How about the Gold Star Mothers

Woman'ing the front.

Have faith. This ain't over by a long shot.

[never_get_over_it]

6. Sorry but this is not a good idea

he'd be hammered on by the press and would take the message away from what it is - which is to get the freak in chief to answer the question what noble cause did these soldier's die for. We need one of the other mothers to step in while Cindy is away.

[Melodybe]

11. So what? Dems like Dean and Clark get hammered no matter what they do

So why not send Wes? He handles pressure beautifully, I wanted to hug him when he stood up for Micheal Moore.

Go for it, I say.

[never_get_over_it]

14. Sorry

I just think it should not be a politician - should be another one of the mothers. AS much as "they" have tried to discredit Cindy "they" haven't been able to - it would be much easier for "them" to discredit a politician or a public figure.

[Melodybe]

26. If not Clark then Elizabeth Edwards.

Her letter was beautiful.

[alittlelark]

28. That is a wonderful idea!

I would LOVE to see her out there! Her family has a STRONG military background. I imagine her chomping at the bit for the chance.

Her health would be the only issue.

[Just Me]

7. Get OFF!!! MOMS CAN DO JUST FINE ON THEIR OWN,...

,...thank you very much. :grr:

Get OFF the politics and ONTO the track of humanity.

[Melodybe]

12. I'm not doggin on us, but if we don't hold our politicians feet to fire

they get lazy.

But if people feel like a woman needs to do it, then by all means send Elizabeth Edwards, I love hearing her talk.

[Tyranny_R_US]

9. I'd pick Hillary Clinton over Mr. Clark

not that I don't have respect for him I just think a woman is better suited for this type of protest (I'll change my mind of Bill Clinton wants to comes out :).

[Melodybe]

10. dream on, Hilliary is talking about video games.

DLC doesn't do protests.

[Texas_Kat]

23. Now THAT would be very opportunistic ...

and not at all well received....

[BrotherBuzz]

13. I say let Wes Clark make a cameo appearance....

but I understand the whole shebang down there is well under control by some very competent people.

[fujiyama]

15. I find the protest more effective

with fewer politicians (or those with political aspirations) there. I admire Cindy because she's one woman. I think Lila Lipscomb would be a great spokesperson as well. I saw her speak when she was here in Detroit at a DSM townhall meeting.

[SharonRB]

68. I was there, too

She was wonderful. I'm surprised she hasn't been down to Crawford, actually, unless she doesn't want to take any of the spotlight from Cindy. With Cindy away now, it would be great if she would go down there.

[1932]

16. Does Clark even think the troops should come home???

What is Clark's position on this issue?

Does he think that Sheehan is hurting our national resolve to see Iraq through to success? Or does he support her effort to get the troops back to the US?

[FrenchieCat]

18. Wes Clark could play a role, although going to the camp

is not what I would recommend.

I personally think that a published opEd from General Clark on the subject of Presidents taking the time to meet with grieving family members of soldiers to be the least to do for the sacrifice requested and made would be much more affective than showing up for the paparazzi at Camp Casey.

===========
According to a Stan Davis, '04 Draft Clark core member, who had a conversation with Wes Clark at a DC WesPAC Fundraising event--This was message number 7208 in the WesPAC group, posted on August 13th.

"I don't remember his exact words...but I asked Gen. Clark Thursday evening point blank how he felt about what Cindy Sheehan was doing.

Without hesitation, he was fully supportive, and I mean fully. In fact I was surprised at the strength of his support. I expected a moderate response, but he didn't go there."

[1932]

19. He's supportive of M.Moore even if he disagrees with him.

Clark is very supportive of people's right to protest. (However, he also thinks losing political resolve jeopardizes missions, such as in Vietnam -- and, in Winning Modern Wars, he complements the US media for not being critical of the mission during the first weeks of the invasion of Iraq.)

Regardless of Clark's support for Sheehan's right to criticize the government, Sheehan is saying that the troops should come home.

Is that Clark's position?

[FrenchieCat]

20. Remember 1932...I have asked you many times before,

Please refrain from speaking for the good General. If you have something to say, make sure you provide a source or a quote, otherwise, what you are saying are your words.....not his.

Hell, I was just stating what Clark told one of his supporters, and still named the guy and quoted him based on HIS post.

You can't just say what Clark was supportive of, etc., unless you are giving me some data.

You saying...."he complements the US media for not being critical of the mission during the first weeks of the invasion of Iraq." comes from where?

Can you type the passage in the book where he says that, and provide a page number. As you like to get in your digs on Wes Clark as often as possible, sly as they may be, I have to look at context before I buy any of what you are selling.

Hell, Clark was critical of the Iraq invasion, before, during and after it occured. Since he was on CNN commentating on the war during those first weeks, and ended up getting the boot because of it.....what you are saying simply doesn't even make sense.

Here's my proof.....although I know that I can't expect any in return....

8/21/03
Straight talk or nothing for CNN's Dobbs

Retired Gen. Wesley Clark was a long-time CNN military analyst but there's one cable network host he didn't impress: Lou Dobbs. Clark was a guest on Dobb's business show during the Iraq war and the host felt the former NATO boss seemed to push his own political agenda rather than provide the straight military skinny on the Pentagon plan, reports our Mark Mazzetti. The result: Dobbs, who hosts "Lou Dobbs Tonight," told a conference of reporters and military brass last week that he barred Clark from his show for the remainder of the war.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/archive/august2003.htm

"THE GUY MUST HAVE A BEDROOM AT CNN,” my wife would joke. It seemed true, because at every hour of the day or night during the Iraq War, retired General Wesley K. Clark could be seen on the Cable News Network as a “military expert” criticizing the Bush Administration.

A quick victory in Iraq “was not going to happen,” he told viewers on March 25, shortly before the quickest blitzkrieg victory of its size in military history occurred. But his words doubtless brought comfort to the fans of a network slanted so far to the Left that the most asked question about its name is whether the “C” in CNN stands for Clinton, Castro or Communist News Network.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=9522

Clark maybe a CNN analyst, but not for Lou Dobbs...

Retired Gen. Wesley Clark, who is mulling a presidential bid, gained significant attention for his analysis of the latest war in Iraq on CNN.

But now Clark will no longer be invited on CNN's "Lou Dobbs Tonight" because host Dobbs, a gave money to President Bush's campaign in 2000, said Clark recently came on his show and gave political opinions instead of analysis, reports US News and World Report today
http://www.politicsnh.com/archives/briefs/2003/august/index.shtml

More significant than Mr. Clark’s views on domestic policy are his willingness and capacity to speak out credibly against the Bush administration’s security policies. During his stint as a CNN commentator on the Iraq conflict, he skillfully critiqued Pentagon strategy and White House diplomacy without getting himself singed.
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=15172

[1932]

21. Clark doesn't agree with Sheehan that troops should come home, does he?

How many times do I have to ask that question?

[FrenchieCat]

25. First I had to clear up your distortions of Clark....

Does Wes thinks that the troups can get home before the end of 2006, like Sen. Feingold is asking of Bush? Most likely if Wes was in charge he could do it, but I doubt that he believes that Bush will actually do much more than have a PR Photo-OP type of troup pull-out right before the 2006 election to help out Republicans (Clark had stated a similar scenario earlier this year).

Maybe we will find out soon exactly what Clark would like to see happen, and exactly what his sentiments are....(funny how you never answer my requests for facts, but yet you never fail in your temarity to demand answers from others. How odd! :eyes:)
Clark will be blogging from the 29th of this month till the 2nd of Sept at TMP, ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
So I would suggest that you write your questions up....as I am.

You see, I don't make claims, as you do, that I know what Wes Clark is thinking and feeling at all times. I prefer to stick to the facts. Feeling what others think and gathering what others have said is your specialty, if I recall correctly...Mr. I read the book.

By Josh Marshall | bio
From: House Brew
We're excited to announce a couple new upcoming guests at TPMCafe.
The week of August 29th through Sept. 2nd, we'll be joined by retired Gen. Wesley Clark.

Gen. Clark will be our guest at TPMCafe's Table for One, posting about the issues of the day and answering your questions all that week.

I happened to be at George Soros's 75th birthday party last night...
snip
General Wes Clark was also there, and while I won't quote him at this point (as I want him to write up our conversation as an op-ed), we had an extensive conversation about Iran and Iraq, and I thought Clark's suggestions on what America should be doing now on both fronts were novel and deserve serious attention. I'm hoping to have General Clark join us at the terrorism conference I am helping to organized on September 6-7 in Washington -- but even if he can't be there -- by way of this blog, I'm encouraging him to get his action plan out into the public.
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/

I am pleased to report that my discussion this past weekend in the Hamptons with General Wesley Clark, former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO and candidate for President of the United States, has led in part to him joining us as one of the featured speakers in the conference. He has some novel and important views to share on U.S. defense policy, terrorism, and our circumstances today in Iraq and with Iran.

He will be appearing at lunch on Tuesday, September 6th.

More later on the rest.
-- Steve Clemons

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/

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[1932]

60. Does this sound familiar?

I and others have offered our plans again and again. We called for a diplomatic strategy in the region -- rather than relying wholly on threats and warning -- more and better equipped U.S. forces focused on training the Iraqis, and a more intensive effort to promote political and economic development in Iraq. I first articulated my plans in my 2003 book, "Winning Modern Wars," and continued to propose a better approach throughout the presidential campaign.

[FrenchieCat]

74. Yeah....and?

Too bad you couldn't provide the link! So others could read all of his words associated with the part you pasted here.
http://securingamerica.com/node/196

[1932]

76. Here's the rest:

'Resolve' on Iraq Is Fine, but We Also Need a Plan

Letter to the Editor of Wall Street Journal

In your June 30 editorial "Wanted: A Constructive Opposition,"
following the president's speech on Iraq, you chided me and a number
of other Democrats for simply critiquing the president's plan rather
than offering our own. Your criticisms are both incorrect and
misplaced.

I and others ...propose a better approach throughout the presidential campaign.

But no matter: It is the duty of the president to propose a plan
that works, and to explain it and win the support of the people.
Instead, as casualties mount and Americans begin to doubt, all the
president does is call for "resolve."

I'm all for resolve -- I lived it during my tour in Vietnam. But
Americans are beginning to understand that success in Iraq requires
more than just resolve: It requires an effective plan, sufficient
resources and effective execution of political, economic and
diplomatic efforts, not just great "soldiering."

We in the loyal opposition are doing our duty by pointing out
shortfalls in the president's approach.

Ret. Gen. Wesley Clark
Washington

And here's what Sheehan says:

Cindy Sheehan: I have to. I can’t bring my son back. I can’t go back to April 3rd and bring Casey home. I can’t stand on the side while other mothers and families will have to go through what we’re going through. I have to speak out, and I have to help try to bring the troops home.

No matter who wins November 2 -–I hope it’s Kerry -–but no matter who wins, we have to hold them accountable. We have to start putting pressure on our elected officials to bring our troops home from the most unjust and mess of a war that our selected president has got us into.

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/04/10/int04050.htmlhttp://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/04/10/int04050.html

[BeHereNow]

27. Your answer-

The following are excerpts from Clark's web site and his
proposal to establish an "Civilian Reserve"
Subtext being, for those who are not completely
brainwashed, the PNAC dream come true-
if you are able to read with objective understanding
regarding EXACTLY what is proposed in this thinly disguised
avoidance of a DRAFT in sheep's clothing.
It was designed and conveniently sold to the American "left" as
a new "peace corp" type of organization.
NOTHING could be further from the truth IF you are
able to read WHAT it SAYS and not what the starry eyed
worshippers want to THINK it says.
BHN

"Calling up the Civilian Reserve if necessary. During a crisis, if sufficient volunteers
were not available, the President would have the authority to call up as many as
5,000 Reservists, through a lottery of those with the required skills. The
circumstances precipitating a mandatory call-up would be exceedingly rare, and
the maximum period of active duty would be six months. An appeals process
would consider hardship exemptions for family and other circumstances. An Act of
Congress would be required to call up additional Civilian Reservists beyond the first
5,000 members. Members of the Civilian Reserve would be limited to one
six-month call up in their five-year term of service."

"Nation building. Today America is paying billions of dollars to certain
American companies for reconstruction in Afghanistan and Iraq. But
numerous Americans have the language skills in Pashto and Arabic, the
technical skills, and the desire to help. The Civilian Reserve can marshal and
coordinate their efforts."

"Mobilizing the skills and talents of the American people. Individuals who register
with the Civilian Reserve will record their occupations, skills (including language skills
on an optional basis), preferences about service, along with name, address,
phone number, and e-mail address. Enrollees will record their preference for local,
national, or international service. The Civilian Reserve will adhere to the highest
standards of privacy protection."

[FrenchieCat]

32. Can I get a fucking link?

His vision for a Civilian reserve was a VOLUNTEER reserve....doh!

Did you leave that part on the cutting room floor? Hard to tell with no link.

(same shit, different day :eyes:)

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[digitstatic]

44. You did do a fantastic job at cutting and pasting to confuse people

But...

It is clear that it was a VOLUNTEER service:

"If an individual chooses to register with the Civilian Reserves, he or she would record his or her occupation, skills (including language skills on an optional basis), preferences about service, along with his or her name, address, phone number, and e-mail address."

http://www.clark04.com/issues/serviceplan/

[BeHereNow]

48. Volunteer? In a country with NO jobs?

His plan offers "stipends" and other "perks for mercs"

"Providing compensation, health benefits and job protection.
In the event that members of the Civilian Reserve are mobilized
to actively serve their country, they will be paid a stipend,
receive health benefits and be guaranteed re-employment
at their regular jobs, just like members of the military reserves.
In addition, they will receive invaluable training and
experience to use throughout their careers."

Shall we break this down in a LOGISTICAL manner?
(Not forgetting Clark's long time involvement with Sirva?
Look it up, I have no patience for those who are not
willing to do their own research)

-Health benefits? In a country boasting 45 MILLION
uninsured- please take not that the "volunteers"
are only eligible to receive benefits in deployments
to serve the Empire?

-guaranteed re-employment?
WHAT re-employment? There ARE no jobs in
America, why the hell ELSE would someone volunteer
to be deployed at the whim of a neocon controlled EMPIRE?

Valuable training?
What training? For WHAT jobs?
Here? In America?
I think not, I think rather for future
deployemnet globally to serve the empire.
But hey, at least you would have access
to health care and a "Stipend".
HAHAHAHAHAH
BHN

[Texas_Kat]

67. Okay, I looked up SIRVA

Its a moving company -- the parent company of Allied Van Lines. What's your point?

http://www.sirva.com/about.html

[Texas_Kat]

65. You seem to have a penchant for reading what you want to see

in between lines that don't exist.

His suggestions are based on the same tradition as that of volunteer firefighters in rural communities or Red Cross volunteers, but in an organized dependable fashion. Most of all it is a VOLUNTEER effort. You seem to be reaching for straws. Rather than depend on your interpretation (since elsewhere in this thread your interpretation turned out to be so suspect), I looked this proposed program up for myself.

I found it quite admirable and invite others to take a look for themselves:

http://www.clark04.com/issues/serviceplan/

Calling Americans to Service in Times of Need.

The changing threats and issues that face our country require a new and innovative approach to mobilizing the citizenry in times of need. The Civilian Reserves program would offer a more flexible approach that can appeal first to volunteers in order to match their skills with the needs of specific crises, such as local communities in times of natural disaster, cities which are the victims of a terrorist biological attack, or Nations impacted by famine.

Many people who have strained circumstances actually do community volunteer work already. Please do not dismiss their efforts as inconsequential or their desire to help if a crisis in their community occurs with the idea that their efforts are unappreciated.

Then, on the other hand, there are a few people in every community (even DU) who can't see volunteer work as worthwhile because it might "interfere" with their personal agendas.

Here's hoping for a bit more reality in your next post and less agenda pushing.

[Jai4WKC08]

69. "Losing political resolve..."

Does in fact jeopardize military missions. It's supposed to, in a democracy. D'uh.

Clark's idea is that a commander-in-chief should not take on military missions for which there is not sufficient political resolve. That he or she gains polilitical resolve by committing US forces only when there is a justifiable purpose, with full transparancy of his/her decision-making, and then ONLY as a last resort. Finally, that political resolve can only be maintained when the military is employed competently, with a clear definition of the desired end-state, and the success strategy to achieve it. None of which has applied to the war in Iraq.

Clark does indeed think that "the troops should come home," but not immediately. Neither does Sheehan, fwiw. She has said she realizes it will take time. I suspect their time-tables would be different, but I think Clark has a somewhat better appreciation of the regional dynamics and potential for continued warfare. I would be very surprised if Sheehan didn't agree. She's a mom whose son has died for a lie, not a geo-political strategist.

In any case, it seems to me that Sheehan's main point is to force Bush to admit the troops never should have been sent in the first place. Or rather, knowing that he never will, to at least wake people up to the fact that they shouldn't have been. Something Clark has said all along.

Ya know, Clark, Sheehan, you and me... we're all on the same side in this, even if we have different opinions on the best way to go about it. I really don't see how any good is served by the divisiveness. It's the neo-cons who want to use the troops as instruments of empire, as well as a tool to advance a domestic political agenda, and don't give a damn what happens to 'em.

[mattclearing]

17. I think Clark should wait this one out.

There's no upside in doing this. It would just look opportunistic.

[BeHereNow]

22. I adore and love you Melodybe, but...

ROLF!
Isn't that a bit like wishing the fox would
take a watch shift at the chicken coop?
WHEN are people going to take the time to
RESEARCH Clark's financial connections to the MIC?
Carlucci, Dyncorp, Cheney and Poppy Bush for starters?

In advance, my apologies to Clark suporters with the
disclaimer of, like Bush supporters, shouldn't you know
exactly who and what you are supporting?

BHN

[BeHereNow]

24. A request regarding Clark and Sheehan...

What exactly has the old Carlucci/Bush investor
and faux-news-commentator-four-star-general
stated publicly about the Crawford protest lately?
Links would be appreciated.
BHN

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[FrenchieCat]

38. Obviously you talk a mean game with the capital letters and all

but the apparent problem is that you have failed to provide any sources still for all of the name calling that you've done. Is that supposed to be an OK thing to do? Personally, I think it stinks.


I believe that you may be a formidable debater...I just haven't seen you back your shit up as of yet.

That's problematic...wouldn't you say? :shrug:


PS- I wouldn't underestimate me, if I were you.

[BeHereNow]

43. Here is, in my opinion, one of the BEST links

delineating Clark's corporate and DEEPLY seated
neocon roots.
http://montreal.indymedia.org/twiki/bin/view/Montreal/ImcMontreal9645
Now understand this-
The link provides you with ALL of the names and
corporations to research- sorry kid, but you
are gonna have to do that one yourself, as I do
NOT for one minute believe you will or can.

BHN

[FrenchieCat]

50. LOL! Since these are adjectives that you attached to Clark....

Why should it be someone else's burden to have to perform your work in locating what backs up your name calling act? Are you just that good?

I think that it is a cheap way to go.

Then you tell me that I am not going to look for it. You're right. I'm not gonna look at the bullshit that's served. I've already eaten, chewed, digested all of the hack sites that I could stomach. As long as I know what happened, and have facts that document the events....I don't need to know what didn't happen, or try to catch up with the 6th degrees of association games that hack want to play. Oh yeah....and there are hacks everywhere.







It's actually kind of funny! Listening to oratory tomfoolery without the back up band.

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[FrenchieCat]

56. Please do us that favor, and do hold your breath

until next week, and then you can ask some questions, and so can others....for 5 whole fucking days. :hi:

[Texas_Kat]

62. Being the curious type, I clicked through to your link

and I have to say, that's one of the most confused, tin-foil-hat rants I've read on the internets in a looooong time. :eyes:

This guy (and it's one guy) has even included Clark's participation in WaveCrest Laboratories, "a technology company that specializes in electric propulsion systems that transform electrical energy into mechanical motion" as though it were some nefarious weapons system.....

:rofl: Wavecrest builds engine driven BICYCLES!

So, being curious about the writer, Craig B. Hulet, I looked up a bit about him on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_B._Hulet) and was astonished to see:

.... A handful of other commentators and activists on the left began to denounce Hulet as a result of the frequent Pacifica appearances, claiming that he was mixing the conspiracy theories of the John Birch Society regarding a new world order in with his antiwar analysis.

The harshest of these was a paper by Sara Diamond and Richard Hatch widely circulated in the Bay Area left, which claimed that Hulet was exaggerating his credentials and warning that he might be part of a secret "recruitment effort" by the far right to promote the "new world order" conspiracy beliefs among the left. Chip Berlet picked up the theme as well and included Hulet prominently in his report "Right Woos Left," a monograph arguing against political cooperation between progressive activists and groups on the right with a right-wing populist or conspiracist political orientation around such issues as opposition to the Gulf War, the alleged October Surprise scandal, and the JFK assassination.

These reports had the effect of chilling Hulet's reception among the left and curtailing future invitations to appear on Pacifica. ....

So he's a closet John Bircher.... that explains a lot.

AND apparently he's even too crazy for the far, far left -- much less the not-so-far left.

I prefer my conspiracy theories rooted in at least a modicum of common sense and reality. If I were you, I'd try to find another source, This one needs meds..... soon.
:scared:

[Jai4WKC08]

70. We really do live in bizarro world

When people who purport to be on the left use John Bircher loonies to back up their attacks on strong Democratic leaders.

[BeHereNow]

45. Oki- I gave you the MOTHER of ALL research links-

SO?
Where is your link to Clark's public statements
on say...
DSM?
Sibel Edmunds?
Cindy Sheehan?
Abu Ghraib FOIA/ACLU
Robert's nomination?

You can cheerlead all you want for Clark
but I have learned, over time. that I need
to see "playback" of the home run before I can
buy the hype about the "player."

Do you , or do you not, agree that the issues
I have afore mentioned are CRITICAL to ridding
this country of the neocon rule?

SO WHERE IS this great "democratic" leader of
yours on these issues?
Links?
BHN

[FrenchieCat]

54. You are a demanding individual....

considering, Mr. KING of one hack link.

Those are all great and pertinent questions. Why don't you join us over at TMP with those questions next week, and you can ask the good General himself? Maybe that would be a more constructive manner for you to educate yourself about the realities of all that we face and Wes Clark's take on workable solutions, instead of blurring out names.

Further, you can tune into the upcoming live webcast of Washington Notes' terrorism conference.

The beauty of it is that Clark is but a man. But he's strong and he's a warrior, and I for one, am very happy that he is on our side. You can try to deny it, but it will only make you look the worse for it.

[BeHereNow]

55. Thanks for the invitation-

I would LOVE to ask the 4-star some questions
regarding his financial involvements with Poppy, Carlucci and the war machine in
general.
PLEASE PM me with a reminder?
What is TMP?
Is there a link to both of the references in your post?
I am MORE than willing to learn more, WITH an open mind,
which is more than I can say for some Clark supporters
I have encountered on DU.
BHN

[FrenchieCat]

57. You sure are demanding.....

considering.....

(Now he wants a PM! :eyes: }

:rofl: What-E-ver!

[FrenchieCat]

29. The beauty about it is that many Clark supporters.....

have done their research.

Hey, I have a novel idea! Why don't you provide us with YOUR research, my friend? You would save us all the trouble of having to go visit the extremist sites to gather all of the smears.

Would you mind backing up your mouth by going and serfing the many anti Clark hack sites and posts some facts for us?

Personally, I am giddy in seeing what you might bring back in your little bag of smears.

In fact, there is not anything more than I would like to do than to tear you up in a good debate and debunk you, piece by piece. It would be my greatest pleasure.

One thing about Clark supporters...we ain't no babies. We can sit in the fucking kitchen and absorb the heat all damn day long, and then kick some ass!

Shall we start tonight? or do you need time to cut and paste your research to present in a tight a package as possible, under the circumstance, for me to refute?

in any case, I'll be waiting. :hi:

[Melodybe]

35. Now, now no fighting. Look I like Clark

he handles himself well when facing the evil pricks over at Fox, for that the man has my respect.

I don't know how true the stuff you posted is, but Clark has proved his metal to me.

[FrenchieCat]

36. I beg your pardon for participating more than I had intended....

But as you might suspect, when I run into posters who fail to back up what they speak of, It's hard for me to be kind.

[Melodybe]

37. I understand, give me a good link or shut up.

Problems is that, these days it's hard to know who is not just jerking our chains.

So I can forgive those that assume the worst, sometimes it's hard not to.

But in the case of Clark, I think that he is ligit.

[FrenchieCat]

40. Understand! n/t

Links and sources do help, don't they? I'm all for facts. I'm not for tearing down just for the sake of tearing down.

Nite!

[Melodybe]

41. Right on

[BeHereNow]

49. I HAVE provided the MOTHER of all links-

the link I posted above contains ALL the info
you could ever want, if you HONESTLY wanted to
RESEARCH for yourself. (Post 43)
Interestingly enough- not ONE Clark Rah-rah person
has taken the time to read it or begin researching the
the information in it.
I rest my case as to WHY America loves
to worship "American Idols" rather than
get a grip on REALITY.
Too much work, I know...
Sadly, I know.
BHN

[FrenchieCat]

59. Could you have the "mother" give birth please?

Just ask her to push.

[oasis]

42. Clark and any other Dem with presidential aspirations should stay clear of

Camp Casey. It's a potential powder keg and he has no control over the rwing whackjobs targeting the place. If anything negative happens there it would be used against Clark during his presidential run.

[Melodybe]

46. Who cares what the media says?

Public opinion is turning against the media and this war and this president, really why should we let them dictate what we can and can't do?

[oasis]

47. If you plan to run for president you have to be extra cautious. Imagine a

riot breaking out between Cindy's people and the right wing nutcases.

[FrenchieCat]

58. I think that Wes Clark will do what is right for him to do

for this country without measuring every move in an attempt to please for the purpose of political gain.

If that was his game, he wouldn't have retired so early....

[julialnyc]

61. I love Clark, but think he should stay away from Camp Casey

I think all politicians should stay away from Camp Casey........... the mothers and soldiers words really put other people in their shoes (while the big names have an unattainable quality to them).

Like Frenchie suggested an Op-Ed from Clark would be great (he can talk about the thoughts that go into sending our sons and daughters into danger)

[ThomWV]

63. He Should Visit When Cindy Is There

He should come when Cindy is there and offer his personal support. He should be visible but not stay too long. He should then mention his support and ask it of others at his various speaking engagements. He is an influential man and he is a strong man. Were he President in time of war do you doubt for a second he would make time for any grieving parent of a lost soldier?

[Freddie Stubbs]

64. Has Wes Clark ever stated that he supports immediate withdrawl from Iraq?

:shrug:

[jonnyblitz]

66. good point. nt

[Cleita]

71. I wonder why he's not there. He is the one of all the candidates

of the last election who should be there because of his military service. I don't think there would be a conflict of opinion there for him even if he doesn't support immediate withdrawal. The support he should be showing is the support of military families to get direct and honest answers from their Commander-in-chief.

On edit: I know others served too, but Clark was the only career military man and a general.

[earth mom]

72. Sorry, but your idea smacks of political agenda

not one of support.

It is the PEOPLE-the mothers, the fathers, the families, the friends who need to be front and center at Camp Casey. It is they who have given up their sons and daughters and loved ones to fight *s illegal and disgusting war.

[FrenchieCat]

73. I do think that

Wes Clark will do what is in him to do, and consistent in the way that he does things.

It is my understanding that General Clark supports Cindy Sheehan's request to George Bush.

[Pepperbelly]

75. I disagree ...

I think all politicians should stay away. Even the best of them stink the place up.