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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 02:17 PM
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Why Don't Americans Love Capitalism and the Free Market in Action?
My oh my....people are really pissed off about gas...and they want the government to intervene on their behalf. Didn't anyone tell them about how prices are affected by Supply and Demand? (now Bush is trying colon"oil" expansion but that isn't working in Iraq..those pesk Iraqis want us out...and his buddies the "oil-robber barons" are just trying to find enough banks to fill with their loot)...gotta love that free market when your a rich man who has managed to get the government to finally "lay off"...

This is Capitalism in action...and if people really love the idea of a truly Free Market...then no government intervention is needed...It isn't the government's fault if you didn't plan ... :sarcasm:

When the price of clothes, food and other amenities start to hike upwards due to fuel costs....better start learning to live without or figure out how to make more money... :sarcasm:




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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 02:21 PM
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1. The American people DO love capitalism
That's the economic system that never bites us in the ass, right? The one that makes sure our prices are always low and our wages are always high? Keeps those dreary third worlders in poverty while making sure we enjoy the highest standard of living?

Whaddya mean a "two-way street"?
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Merrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 02:22 PM
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2. Hey, I love the free market system
I have only myself to blame for not figuring out a way to position myself to profit from the rising fuel prices :sarcasm:
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 02:23 PM
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3. You must have missed lunch at the "club" with Buffy and Bif
where they would have told you where to invest...
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 02:24 PM
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4. We don't like a rigged game, like this....
Edited on Fri Aug-19-05 02:24 PM by LaPera


Rising Gas Prices and Big Oil's Agenda

Washington, D.C. - Institute for Public Accuracy - infoZine - Wenonah Hauter is director of Public Citizen's Critical Mass Energy and Environment Program; Hauter said yesterday: "Since Bush became president, the largest five oil companies operating in the U.S. -- ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco, ConocoPhillips, BP and Shell -- have enjoyed profits of $254 billion, with ExxonMobil leading the way with profits of $89 billion.

"Clearly, there is a direct correlation between record prices paid by consumers and record profits enjoyed by oil companies. For example, the profit margin for U.S. oil refiners has shot up 79 percent from 1999 (the year Exxon and Mobil merged) to 2004. But rather than hold these price-gougers responsible, the energy bill signed by Bush this month gives $6 billion in tax breaks and subsidies to oil companies."

James Paul, executive director of the Global Policy Forum, has written several reports about oil including "Oil in Iraq: The Heart of the Crisis." He said yesterday: "Exxon, as the world's biggest and most profitable company, wields enormous power in Washington and in most other capitals as well. The company has plenty of lobby funds, as it enjoys more revenue than 185 national governments. Exxon has blocked a U.S. national policy on climate change and fought against environmental laws. Oil company interests are not only crucial in the war in Iraq, but also other conflicts, such as Iran. As world oil supplies begin to diminish, big oil dreams of ever-higher profits, and more oil wars to seize new and lucrative concessions."

http://www.infozine.com/news/stories/op/storiesView/sid... /

Record Prices Mean Record Profits for Oil Companies

As American consumers increasingly feel the pinch at the pump, oil companies have watched their profits soar.

The newest numbers from the second quarter of this year show Exxon Mobil with a 32 percent increase in earnings over this time last year — that's more than $7.6 billion.

BP saw a profit increase of 38 percent, totaling $6.7 billion, while Conoco Phillips — the third largest oil company in the country — recorded a 56 percent increase in profit, more than $3 billion.

"The huge profits are enormous because the public is drastically overpaying what it costs to produce," said Joan Claybrook, president of the consumer advocacy group Public Citizen.

Many of these companies long ago bought oil reserves at prices of $10 to $25 a barrel. With prices peaking near the $67 mark, the profit margin has been enormous.

Even more eye-opening is the profit in Saudi Arabia. Saudis are making an average of $208 million more each day since the increase in crude oil prices first began in December 2003.

Will Profits Lead to Solutions?

"The answer is yes, but the impact of those is not immediate," said Mike Rothman, the head of integrated oil research for the International Strategy & Investment Group.

Consumer advocates say Congress is doing nothing to speed up the process, instead passing an energy bill that gives tax breaks to the oil industry.

"They got $6 billion in the energy bill over 10 years. That's a huge, huge amount of money," said Claybrook. "And you'd think with the price of oil at $65 a barrel, they didn't need any new incentives."

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1029991
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 02:27 PM
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6. pssssst....the weatlhy have always "rigged" the system...
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 02:37 PM
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8. Yes, exactly and now you have the answer to your question!!!!!
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 02:25 PM
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5. Americans love the free market,
the unicorn, the dragon, and the two dollar blow job.
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 02:34 PM
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7. neocon free market capitalism???
Interesting how the Bush propaganda machine has successfully conflated "free market capitalism" with democracy, and rampant Pavlovian consumerism with freedom.

Free Market Capitalism is just another neocon euphemism that stands for extra-national corporate feudalism. Kind of Orwellian - like "No Child Left Behind" or the "Clear Skies" and "Healthy Forest" initiatives.

Ain't nothing free or capitalist about engineered economic slavery...unless you're a voting stockholder for Neocon donor companies.

What a world.

:crazy:
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dcfirefighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 02:59 PM
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9. Markets don't work well for Natural Resources
Below is the text of your message. You will have to start your post all over again, and copy the text into the new post.

Subject: The free market doesnt work w/ Natural Resources
Message:
Rising prices doesn't increase production - no price level will cause new crude to be created in the ground.

Likewise rising prices won't add another acre to manhattan, or more frequencies to the EM spectrum, or any more water in ogallala.

Conversely, claiming all of these as 'commons' and charging taxes based on exclusive ownership rights, doesn't decrease the supply thereof--and therefore doesn't increase the price.

Markets work well for manufactured goods and services, not as well for natural resources and land real estate.
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nonono Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 03:08 PM
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10. Bend over
On a financial blog I was told that Social Security would end. That we could not live off the government dole anymore.

I replied we had dedicated a percentage of our earnings to pay for our retirement and to cover our children and ourselves if we die or become disabled. Plus our employer matched the percentage that has been paid into FICA since our first paycheck. Plus, we paid extra to take care of the Boomers.

I was told that money was spent. It was dismissed with a wave of a soft non-working hand. Then, I was told I was either too lazy or something must be wrong with me to only depend on Social Security for retirement.

Bush's form of government has to have a new name. Something like CommunCap. "Communism for Capitalists". But that doesn't quite capture how they take from the middle class and poor to give to the rich. Robin Hood in reverse fits too. Hood Robbers for his groupies, maybe.

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 03:12 PM
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11. We love capitalism the way we love lawyers--mine is great, yours is
an evil bastard.

When I screw you, it's good.

When you screw me, it's bad.

Hillbilly Hitler art:



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