Banning Tie-Dye in Crawford

[BrightKnight]

Tie-Dye should be banned in the Crawford accountability vigil. The MSM has been dismissing this as a peace festival. When people see the tired old 60's cliches they tend to ignore the message.

Cindy Sheehan's message is irrepressible because it is simple, pure, and obvious.

Middle America is more likely to respond to ordinary people in street clothes saying sensible things.

I propose wearing a simple white t-shirt. It is patriotic because white is a color in the flag. White has always been a color of peace. It is chap and easy because everyone has one.

This is not a festival. It is serious business.

[SteppingRazor]

1. Hey, why doesn't everyone just wear uniforms?

Maybe armbands, with a peace symbol?

Kidding aside, I know it's tough to take tie-dye seriously, but aren't there more-weighty matters to consider here than whether or not to wear tie-dye?
And if we're going to broach that subject, shouldn't we be encouraging free expression, not stifling it?

[wli]

2. I think the point is right but the remedy wrong

An outright ban probably isn't a good idea, but a public statement politely asking people not to wear tie dye with the reasons above enumerated would be appropriate.

[K-W]

15. Yep, and not just wrong, counterproductive.

The fastest way to get people wanting to do soemthing is to tell them they cant.

[shadowknows69]

39. five year olds maybe

n/t

[K-W]

41. Lol! No, humans of all ages do that. EOM

[shadowknows69]

48. unfortunately you're right but a little common sense can go a long way.

[bettyellen]

5. my thoughts exactly? why would we buy into their predudices?

silly. the crowd at peace house looks like a nice mix of people, i don't think we need to look askance at the person with purple hair just because some freep might.
we're better than that.

[hexola]

46. Tie-dye is very mainstream. Only Freepers maintain such silly prejudices..

I'll bet dollars to donuts that you can buy a Dale Jr. Tye-dye at any NASCAR race...

[Toots]

184. You do not believe appearance is part of those weighty decisions?

People make major judgements on appearance and if this is truly the big event it is being made out to be then we should weigh all factors involved. Appearance is a major factor leading to credibility. Ask any employer.

[Caution]

3. This is a good point

The symbolism of the 60's, while important, can be a huge distraction to the actual message these days. The message itself has resonance and the important thing is that the message is truly universal, not subject to politics (though definitely ideological). Though I don't feel that people should bow down to convention and change the way they dress or look to make a point, I think that if one really believes in the message and one really wants to deliver it there are times when one needs to think about the best way to deliver it. Cindy Sheehan is really making a difference and the more that she is surrounded by like-minded, every day people the more that message will resonate with and inspire those who to this point have remained silent. Don't distract from the message and don't provide ammunition to those who would destroy the message.

[lateo]

4. This is one of the things I don't like...

about the image of the peace movement. Almost every time you see them on TV they (the media) find the most tripped out, drum banging, Grateful Dead looking hippies to display.

Yet, they almost always ignore the normal middle class people who attend. Not to say that some of the hippies aren't middle class people.

[Gemini Cat]

53. I've noticed that as well.

Makes me wonder why.

[blondeatlast]

57. The photos of the vigils on DU spoke volumes. these were ordinary,

middle class people supporting Cindy and supporting peace.

Lots of grandmas, lots of vets, just really nice looking, ordinary people you see every weekend at the Lowes' and the malls.

That is what strikes the fear into the shrubbery. Ordinary people who oppose them--scary!

[Warren DeMontague]

67. The thing I don't like is

that people use these threads to bash on "hippies" and the Grateful Dead.

The problem is the media, not the people who go to the protests. If they're looking for a way to marginalize the protest, they will. I flew 3,000 miles to be in the March for Women's Lives last year in DC; 1.2 million people came out, the largest assembly on the mall EVER.

Well, I guess the media couldn't find enough deadheads or freaky looking hairy lesbeeeens to properly cover the march, so they pretty much ignored it altogether. CNN spent the day covering "The NASCAR voter"- and they actually WENT to Nascar events and hunted down Bush people to interview all day, rather than talk to any of the million plus who came out to the mall for choice. And then Estee Lauder died, so clearly that took precedent.

It's not about what the people at the protest wear, and griping about such things (while engaging in subtle bashing of other people's hairstyles or musical taste) only serves to alienate a lot of people who happen to be pretty fucking dedicated to the things they believe in, no matter what kinds of drums they bang on or what kinds of shirts they have on.

[lateo]

72. Re-read my statement

I specifically stated it was the media who focused on the hippies. I have no problem with hippies but the Grateful Dead just plain sucks.

[Warren DeMontague]

126. Right. Well, since you obviously don't know jack diddly squat about music

I'm certainly not going to take advice from you on how to dress!

[lateo]

144. LOL

We just differ in our musical tastes is all. I have been to several Dead shows in my day...I just don't get it.

[immoderate]

158. They said that about Monk and Coltrane and Stravinsky.

Lots of people don't get it.

--IMM

[lateo]

165. And I listen to all of them

Except for the dead...just don't like them.

[immoderate]

168. Fair enough.

I'd just add that the Dead on record are not well represented. It was a live feel thing.

--IMM

[Warren DeMontague]

166. It's like licorice

not everybody likes licorice, but the people who do, like it a LOT.

Two things:

#1: I went to a lot of shows, and I'll be the first to admit that they had their share of off nights. It took more than one for the infection to take hold in me, that's for sure. And I was going for some pretty good years. If the shows you went to were after, say, 1992, all bets are off. Those were pretty lean and weak years, IMHO.

#2: It's not like the Jehovah's witnesses, at least for me. I would have been perfectly happy to have fewer total deadheads, or at least only have people at the shows who really WANTED to be there. Tickets would have been easier to obtain and the energy would have been higher. I went to a lot of shows where friends of mine "got it" for the first time, but I never had any interest in proseltyzing. Hey, to each his own.

[helderheid]

75. It is the Media that is the problem but guess what? That's what we have to

deal with! We aren't going to change the media but we CAN change the preception of what a protester looks like - and the more conservative or average we look, the more "average" Americans can relate to us and our cause, and not get stuck on the stereotypes.

[Warren DeMontague]

127. Average Americans are the people who are staying home

and only barely cognizant of the fact that there's a war in the first place.

I would suggest that you focus on your own way of getting the message out, instead of bending over backwards to alienate and belittle people who are hard-working allies.

[helderheid]

148. I am not belittling anyone.

[NoSheep]

108. Just not "normal", huh?

:eyes:

[Cleita]

124. Of course. The librul media wants the peace movement to look bad.

There is no point in catering to them. I'm tempted to die my hair green and purple now and I'm over sixty years old. Of course, kids might mistake me for a clown and the family will send me to a home so I'm not ready to appear to have dementia yet.

[Cha]

187. It makes me want to wear

my only tie-dye shirt that my daughter gave me that she got in Virginia Beach(It has petroglyphs on it and says "Let the rhythm move you" "Virgina Beach") to my next Peace Vigil.

Virgina Beach, hardly being a hippie stronghold, is a military town.

[silibertad]

203. For what it's worth

The pictures and reports I've seen show people who look very much like the suburbanites I see every day. I think this is the chance for "everyday" people to see that Camp Casey is populated by other "everyday" people.

[Maddy McCall]

6. What's beautiful about Crawford is that...

One woman started this movement and folks of all colors and backgrounds joined in.

Trying to place "rules" on Camp Casey will lead to its demise. Let it go as it has been going. It's the most successful anti-war, anti-Bush event yet.

Who are we to tell Cindy how to handle HER protest?

[Generic Other]

7. Why don't you go down there and tell them that? Armchair Emily Post.

:eyes:

[Maddy McCall]

12. LOL @ "Armchair Emily."

:rofl:

[BrightKnight]

23. I am leaving for Crawford now.

I don't really care what people wear. I am concerned about message discipline. I just don't want to see the message lost to MSM spin.


I am guilty of wearing tie-dye.

[meganmonkey]

40. Why does tie-dye make you feel guilty?

Just curious.

[Cha]

194. Thanks for going down

there..just don't wear any tie-dye;)

[HeeBGBz]

110. LOL, G.O.

:spray:

[Cha]

188. That's A Goodun'!

"Armchair Emily Post"!

[hexola]

8. Please! What is so scary about a tye-die t-shirt...?

Fairly common - the 60's are over...

Whats next? No Birkenstocks?

Yeah - white T-shirst...Lets all dress like Eminem

[Telly Savalas]

122. It's a slippery slope.

First we let the tie-die in. Then before you know it, protestors will be wearing white after labor day. Can't have that.

[norml]

9. You can set a fashion example, but don't ban the Tie-Dye

unless you want to ban the Tie-Dye people too.

[dweller]

10. that's just silly ...

they will find any reason to ignore the message if they want to.

dp

[hexola]

11. Did you hear that Deadheads, Phishheads, PanicHeads, MoeHeads...

You are not wanted...

[norml]

18. Yep, No Rainbows Need Apply.

No Hippie 60s Peacenicks Either.

[Rainbowreflect]

49. Hey, I resemble that remark!

Peace! :pals:

[KyndCulture]

130. me too and that's Spreadhead thank you very much! LOL

[HeeBGBz]

111. Uh-oh, that leaves me out....

:cry:

[ripple]

196. as all of the above,

I resent the original poster's perpetuation of the stereotype that those of us who happen to have good taste in music and apparel are nothing more than dope-smoking, non-shaving, pan-handling, radical liberals who will choose any cause for an excuse to party.

This fight is far too important to marginalize each other so carelessly. For those of you already in Crawford or heading that way, I say wear what you want and make it a point to unite for ALL of America, including the hippies, suburbanites, white collar folks, blue collar folks, the young, the elderly, the Nascar crowd, the unemployed, the disabled, the veterans, etc. We are a diverse nation and this movement involves all of us. Be who you are.

[meganmonkey]

13. and NO SMILING!

:eyes:

[PunkPop]

27. Yes, by all means

only the most stern, serious expressions please.

[meganmonkey]

37. So, like this would be okay...

But this? Not so good.



(I love google images)

[PunkPop]

43. Yes!!

Can you put this on a sign or get some leaflets printed up with a big red X over the goofy looking guy?

[TankLV]

221. You made me chuckle! Shame on you.

Say 10 our fathers and 10 hail mary's!

[ultraist]

14. Good grief, dress codes are ridiculous

I will say though, I noticed how conservative the attendees looked at the Wed pm Peace vigils around the nation. I was a bit surprised.

[dogday]

16. You know maybe we should add sandals to that

I mean Jesus and the hippies wore those too. We would not want to spread that kind of message right? :sarcasm:

[hexola]

19. Men with Pony-tails STAY HOME!!!

They are the scariest of them all...!!!

[shadowknows69]

22. hey now

hair is something else. jesus would've wore a pony tail f they'd invented rubber bands back then
:hippie:

"give me a head with hair, long beautiful hair". sing along if you know the words.

[norml]

28. No long haired men or short haired women need apply.

And the women must shave their legs and armpits.

[shadowknows69]

35. "and the sign said, long haired freaky people, need not apply."

"so i tucked my hair up under my hat and I went in to ask him why?"

covert operations can be fun

[the_spectator]

58. Plus, how about a height/weight check at the Peace House?

-before people go out to Camp Casey, where the media will be?

You could use the standard-issue government chart. We could cut the "overweight" some slack, but anyone who counts as "obese" would not be allowed to protest. Have to look good for the cameras! No one wants to see a bunch of fatties waving signs around! :crazy:

[shadowknows69]

60. actually

seeing a fatass like myself on tv protesting would inspire me more. do you have any idea how much we sweat? that's hard work GWB.

[Warren DeMontague]

137. Yeah, presumably I shouldn't be active AT ALL until I get a haircut.

Oh well.

[ripple]

197. yep, NO Birkenstocks

Only the freaks who care about comfort wear those :eyes:

[longship]

17. No tie-dye, eh?

:wtf:

Maybe the uniform should be brown shirts.
:sarcasm:

[shadowknows69]

20. as someone who used to own a tye dye

for each day of the month. I have to agree with you. the grateful dead is dead (sorry jerry please forgive me) and the last woodstock broke out in a riot. we need to take the spirit of the 60s an put a 21st century in your face spin to it. we are america period not some easily dismissable counterculture.

[hexola]

24. The recent Ratdog tour was the best post Jerry stuff yet...

I generally have poo-pooed all the post dead stuff - but I must say...Bobby is in fine voice...perhaps the best I've heard his voice sound ever...no kidding...

[shadowknows69]

31. i saw bobby with wasserman and with ratdog

and yeah great shows, and i never felt like i was watching a dead tribute band. the early further fests were cool but i lost my stomach for it when they started doing jerry's songs. there was always enough music in that band that they didn't have to go there. i prefer my memories.

[BrightKnight]

32. "easily dismissed counterculture" is exactly what we need to avoid.

I am a card carrying member but I won't be showing my credentials there.

[Warren DeMontague]

64. They'll find a way to dismiss you no matter what you're wearing.

I'd suggest wearing whatever is comfortable.

[struggle4progress]

85. Bingo! eom

[Warren DeMontague]

63. Ratdog's been getting better and better.

I was exactly with you on the post-dead until I saw Phil & Phrends at the Warfield in 1999, with Trey and Paige from Phish.. and was rightfully blown away.

I think the key is to not go expecting anything like the old days, 'cuz they're gone like he's gone. But with that in mind, I've seen a few decent shows in recent years.

[hexola]

66. Forgot about that run...

That is some great stuff...forgot about those...

Isn't Kimock in on those sets too?

Hexola playing the 62 strat with the "Fried Pies" circa 1998

[Warren DeMontague]

68. Yeah, Kimock and Trey jamming off of each other

that was truly a once in a lifetime experience.

[antigone382]

55. The last Woodstock wasn't Woodstock...

...the new Woodstock is Bonnaroo. I've gone two years in a row (working at a pizza stand, and loving the experience), and the 60's spirit was still alive and well in the people that attended--and growing stronger, if you ask me. RWers like to brag about how they defeated the hippies and forced them to conform to their version of reality, but IMHO they didn't eradicate the concepts and the ideology of Hippie culture as much as they would like to think. (if a 21-year-old may have an opinion on such matters, since I wasn't actually there). Those dreams are still very much alive in the concerned youth of today, and we have learned from both the successes and the mistakes of those that went before. I may be in the minority, but I still have faith in the power of the hippie ideals. It is a cultural force that cannot be totally defeated.

On edit: I say: bring on the Tie-Dye! It's beautiful and it belongs to us.

[shadowknows69]

59. I'm torn

I'm actually shocked that me, the neo-hippie i once knew, even posted that i agreed it was best to stay "underground"i was born in 69 so i only learned about that time and immersed myself in is events and culture and promised myself that i would be true to that spirit for the rest of my days. i still am in soul if not dress. and my clothes are still prety close.

[meisje]

21. Why not rent tuxedos

Maybe we'll attract the elite republican crowd

[jackstraw45]

30. Like Dumbya, they could relate to the "haves and the have mores"

[NoPasaran]

25. Looking at my pictures from last weekend

There just wasn't much tie-dye in evidence---T shirts of various persuasions were the apparel of choice.

[Q]

26. You're joking...

...right?

[bleedingheart]

29. I can't wear solid colors....I always drip food on me...

so patterns and tie-dyes are just my style....

[shadowknows69]

33. ROFLMAO

my wife would probably tell you that's why i wear them BH. thanks for the laugh.

[bleedingheart]

56. you are welcome....

:-)

[Mabus]

171. We call it "lunchie"

but at least I always know what he had for lunch.

:rofl:

[AnnInLa]

34. I know what you mean....it's really aggravating when the press

and pundits characterized Cindy's protest as a "peace movement" and then begin speaking of the 60s and 70s....maybe alot of people who support Cindy at Camp Casey are actually old-hippies or old-hippies at heart who really would like to see a Peace Movement take hold from this protest....but, that does tend to dilute Cindy's message: This Iraq war is immoral, and the troops need to come home now. Anyway, what the protesters wear is just not an important consideration...and it wasn't important during the peace protests of the 60s and 70s either.

[shadowknows69]

36. it shouldn't matter but its ammunition they use against us

we have enough hills to climb

[helderheid]

77. AMEN

[anarchy1999]

38. Okay, I imagined I had stepped into twilight zone, now I'm sure of it.

Between defending my reputation from the likes of "loverevolution" and well now this, I'm going step away for awhile.

A dress code has now been proposed, what is next on-line registration and checkpoints before you can enter?

My head is spinning at the possibilities.

[Wind Dancer]

86. anarchy1999, hang in there!

You have had a rough few days and some of these "suggestions" ARE Twilight Zonish. It's a shame hippies are given such a bad rap by some people on a progressive site like DU.

[helderheid]

93. it's called beating them at their own game.

[Warren DeMontague]

134. Really? I thought it was called sitting at home telling the people who

hauled ass down to Crawford what they should or shouldn't be wearing.

[helderheid]

151. Don't give me crap. I'm not giving you any

I am a stay at home mom who happens to be having health problems right now. Come hell or high water I WILL be at the Bush protest when he blesses my great state on Monday. Knock off the sassing.

[titoresque]

161. like I said before

this is not a "game" No one is playing here! These are moments from one death to the next! Cindy started this out of pure love and she has stayed focussed despite people like you and people like Larry Mattlage. And for as long as everyone else will stay focussed we will move ahead. When we step off the beaten path to argue dress codes and what Cindy shouls and should not say.....we begin our own demise!

Don't be fooled..these media people have blacked out the truth about this war from the get go...if they had done their job properly Cindy would'nt have ever HAD to go to Crawford.......these thugs have been in on it since 9/11


And as far as the stay-at-home mom thing.....don't paly that card! So am I! If you're going to spout off here be prepared to hear it back!

[helderheid]

162. You drive me nuts

BRAVO on all you're doing - now let me be clear: I am NOT fooled by the media. When I was 28, I got involved for the first time in politics. I got online to see who was running against shrub. I chose to throw myself full time into the Kucinich campaign because I thought he was the most qualified and matched my views more than any of the others. Now at THAT time, I'd say you would have been right to say what you just did to me. I was completely clueless about the media. Let me tell you, running the campaign for my state for the stint that I did before my health began to get in the way and I was able to only work from my computer, was enough to give me a fine lesson in media monopoly. We protested outside ABC in 32 degree weather after they stopped covering Kucinich Braun and Sharpton's campaigns. Did they talk to us? NO. Did they report it? NO. I wrote a piece about it here:

http://www.denniskucinich.us/article.php?story=20031220123615253&mode=print

I am well aware of the media. That is my entire point. If you are missing that point, well, there is nothing I can do. I know the media is going to be at the Utah rally as it is the first appearence since his vacation. National media will be here. This has already been confirmed. Mainstream America will see it. I want mainstream apathetic America to be looking at the TV as if they are looking in the mirror and saying to themselves, "My God, they're right. Enough is enough." . I don't want their first thoughts to be about stereotypes.

Now if you have a problem with this line of thinking, then don't take it on. Take what you like and leave the rest but don't you DARE accuse me of being anything other than dedicated to this cause.

And yes, I am a stay at home mom with health problems. I do most of my work via computer. I registered to vote for the first time in my life 2.5 years ago. In that time I have become the internet outreach coordinator for the Kucinich campaign in my State, and later the internet outreach coordinator for the Utah Democratic Progressive Caucus. I am a precinct chair. I am a County and State delegate. I am the Vice chair of the Utah Democratic Progressive Caucus and I am on the Utah Democratic State Central Committee. I do what I can.

[bananas]

202. 2.5 years isn't much

A lot of people here have been politically active for a lot longer than that, you should listen and learn from them.
This isn't a staged media event.

[helderheid]

207. You're missing the point

[bananas]

211. No, you're missing the point.

I understand your point perfectly.
You said you became politically active 2.5 years ago,
did you go to any of the protest marches before the war?
What did you think of them?

[helderheid]

212. Yes I did. I was active in protests since I was 11.

[bananas]

213. Well then what about Willy Nelson?

He was campaigning for Kucinich,
do you think he should have cut his hair?
How do you think he would have reacted if you went up to him and said, "Willy, Dennis would get more votes if you'd cut your hair,
because then middle america would look at you and see themselves."

[helderheid]

214. What about Willie Nelson? He's a celebrity!

This is like talking to a wall....

[TankLV]

223. No - YOU'RE missing the point, honey.

[TankLV]

222. Ooooooo 2 1/2 years! Oh, my god!

Guess those of us who've been voting and NEVER MISSED AN ELECTION since the early 70's and before should sit down and shut up!

Get over yourself.

How dare you DARE to tell others what to do, YOU SIT AT HOME ARMCHAIR WANNABE!

You don't like it, TOUGHT! That's what you are little girl.

WE were protesting and walking our butts off when you were playing dollie and house.

DON'T YOU DARE GET ALL SELF RIGHTEOUS ON US!

GET OVER YOURSELF!

And this assinine "complaint" of superficiality.

Talk to me when you've put a few MILES or 2 in OUR shoes!

ARMCHAIR is right!

[Warren DeMontague]

167. "sassing"?

You may be a stay at home mom, but I'm a parent too- and not a child, so I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't talk to me like one.

And I've got health issues in my family, too, right now, that limit my ability to travel.

But -a small reminder- you're the one defending the original proposition of telling other adults what NOT to wear, again, from the comfort of your own home. Maybe you should re-read the OP, again, and ask yourself who is the one "giving crap", here?

[helderheid]

175. I'd appreciate not getting slammed with each message I post

You've been jumping down my throat with practically every post I've put on this thread even though I posted without attack. Even my "sassing" comment was meant to be less offensive than "quit throwing shit at me". Perhaps if you'd engaged in respectful conversation (which I felt I had) I wouldn't feel the need to address your behavior. It was not my intention to "treat you like a child" but if you feel I've done that, perhaps you should look at your own behaviour in this matter.


I am outta here. Perhaps for good. I've had about enough of the shit going down here lately.

[Warren DeMontague]

218. Look, it's nothing personal with me.

But you should understand that when you slam people for wearing tie-dye, or suggest that they should cut their hair to appeal more to what you consider "mainstream america" to be, yeah, some of us- who have been politically active for a VERY long time, are going to get our noses bent out of joint.

Seriously. I see your point, do you see mine? We ARE 'everyday people'. Americans who wear-tie dye and birkenstocks are just as "normal" as people who wear starched shirts. And suggesting that, well, it's very nice that we are so committed but we ought to alter our wardrobe and appearance so as not to 'offend' is, in and of itself, a pretty offensive suggestion.

Again, middle america can't relate to gays.. much of middle america can't relate to minorities.. non-chrisitans.. We could suggest that they, too, hide out or get in the back of the bus or into the closet...

And, for the record, the media is already hammering home this "aging hippie" thing, but in all the pictures from Crawford I've seen, I haven't seen one tie-dye. Not one. So maybe you can explain, again, exactly how that works? Seems to me the truly "out of touch" message the media doesn't like is the opposition to the war itself. And modulating THAT would pretty much defeat the purpose, wouldn't it?

But ..really... I'm not trying to attack you, just like I would never presume to try to tell you what to wear or how long to keep your hair.

Peace.

[TankLV]

224. Good - you get back exactly what you put out - which wasn't very

productive or nice, however which way YOU imagined it!

Maybe you can join the adults when you've learned to grow-up a bit!

[emcguffie]

173. I've tried to restain myself --

-- but I can't anymore.

An old aphorism from a donut box:

"As you go through life, brother, let this watchword be your goal; keep your eye upon the donut, and not upon the hole."

(If I have still got it right. )

[Donailin]

115. this is war, you have to fight fire with fire.

think of it this way--we have to beat them at their own game because we have not beaten them with our own method.

I think we should dress just like them, and wear the american flag pins as well. They have hijacked OUR country and they are using it against us -- the cross, the flag, our enlisted sons and daughters.

Fight fire with fire. FUCK THEM. I would love it if the MSM covered the protest on the 24 of Septmember and EVERYONE was wearing the flag pin WITH a ribbon(or some such icon) that represents OUR motto: NO FASCISM in AMERICA!

[helderheid]

152. BRAVO!!

[bananas]

185. Must be the full moon

[matcom]

42. you win Friday's prize!

every Friday we have a contest for the most rediculous post of the week.

YOU ARE A WINNER!

congratulations!

[BrightKnight]

45. I should have known better than to insult tie-dye.

My sincere apologies to all that I have offended.

[helderheid]

79. For what it's worth, I think you're right. It's about being the most

effective in getting our message out. It SHOULDN'T matter - BUT IT DOES. It's called reality. We need to work with it, not against it.

[Warren DeMontague]

128. I assume you must be in crawford right now

because if you're sitting at home issuing edicts about how OTHER people should look, I call BS on that.

And no, I can't be there either, but I have enough respect for the people who are there to not armchair quarterback their wardrobe choices.

[helderheid]

153. read post 151 and quit giving me shit.

[ClayZ]

105. All one needs is a peaceful heart!

[Cha]

193. If that isn't the Sweetest

Looking Tie Dye, I do declare! :D

[Cha]

192. Apology accepted!

Thank you!

[TankLV]

225. Actually, now that I've been sucked into the lesser part of my self, you

do have a good point about the "dress".

MLK recognized it during the civil rights protests.

Appearace DOES matter.

But as others have said, if it's not appearances, it will be something ELSE that they will swiftboat us with.

[proud2BlibKansan]

81. I second that

and such a winner it is :) :crazy:

[TankLV]

226. Hear Here!

Wow!

[G_j]

44. the old dress code deal again.....

must be mandatory to discuss this after every demo,

usually a pet subject of people who don't go..

sorry but i can't help the :sarcasm:

dress codes do not work

[jonnyblitz]

47. yep, almost as popular as "ANSWER are commies ,don't go"

threads before every march...the last time somebody suggested that we all wear suits and way too many DUers agreed with this foolishness. what these people don't realize is that they are gonna say crap about us no matter who runs the show or how we/they dress.

[MADem]

52. Well, it seems to me that the GOP boosters wear some pretty stupidass

...costumes at their demonstrations....

I don't worry about what people wear, I am more concerned with what they carry in their hearts...

[hexola]

50. I bet you can buy a "Dale Jr" tye-dye at any NASCAR race...(nt)

[bpilgrim]

51. celebrate diversity

all these threads about controlling weTHEpeople are silly...

1. because if we were able to we wouldn't have any CROWDS and
2. it's not true. all kinds are represented. check out the gallery for proof....

http://news.globalfreepress.com/gallery/index.php?cat=13

peace

[Dervill Crow]

54. In my part of the country tie-dye and Birkenstocks ARE street clothing.

We're a lot less formal on the West Coast, or at least that's the way it seems when we visit my in-laws in Pennsylvania. That may be something to keep in mind when traveling. When in Rome, and all that. Seems kind of funny to worry about clothing, though, considering how Cheney dresses and * behaves. You can dress the shrub up, but you sure as hell can't take him out.

[Warren DeMontague]

61. Ah, more "helpful advice."

Why don't YOU go down to Crawford, and wear whatever the hell you feel like, instead of sitting at home and trying to tell other people what to do?

Unless you're there already, in which case maybe you could make yourself a little more useful than bitching about tie-dye.

Edit: I see you are going down there, so I retract. But I still think there are bigger fish to fry than what other people are wearing.

[shadowknows69]

62. I think we've been told

i am humbled. well said Impeach. i suggest we lock this thread until we can stop the bleeding.

[titoresque]

65. disgusted!

Really, some posts on this thread are so ridiculous!

Who gives a flying fuck if someone wants to wear a tye-dye t-shirt or patchouli cologne!

Didn't your mothers teach you NOT to judge a book by it's cover?! How completely shallow! And another thing......if someone looks at me and thinks I am a joke because of what I wear or the way I look, they can go to hell! Obviously they are too shallow to form a resonable opinion about me anyhow.

A waste of my time, and yours! People who so quickly dismiss someone else because of appearance are people who were only looking to dismiss you anyhow!

Good grief!

Most of the hippies I know have been speaking out all their lives, much longer than Ive been born.
Nostalgia is a wonderful thing and back in the day tye-dyes were hip!
I say wear what you want.........you're more than your shirt to me, and alot of other people too!

[helderheid]

80. THE MEDIA WHO HAPPENS TO SEND OUR MESSAGE GIVES

A FLYING FUCK.

Is it right?

FUCK NO.

Does it matter?

FUCK YES!

[Warren DeMontague]

132. I see you responded to my post #67

But I guess you didn't bother to read it.

See, I was with 1.2 million other people in DC, marching for choice and reproductive rights last year (although in retrospect, I suppose I could have been just as effective sitting at home, issuing orders to people about how to dress) and the "Media" managed to pretty much ignore the entire thing. I've been to anti-war rallies where the 100,000 anti-war people get 10 minutes on the news, and the 20 "pro-war" people get another 10. See, if the media wants to marginalize something, they will do it -tye dye or no- and all these threads do is offer an opportunity for people who are irritated with their hippie parents, or don't like long hair on men, or want to vent about how "the grateful dead just plain sucks" (Yeah, pal, the lounge is thataway) ... and you end up pissing off a lot of people -tie dye wearers and others- who happen to be pretty fucking dedicated to the cause, thank you very much.

If you go to Crawford, wear what you want. But respect the decision of others to do the same. And if you have some kind of axe to grind with hippies, or tie-dye, or Jerry Garcia, please take it somewhere else.

[helderheid]

154. I don't have an axe to grind

me thinks you are a tad too sensitive. Thanks for all you've done to further the movement but please ... quit being nasty to me. I haven't been to you.

[Warren DeMontague]

172. Ok. Sorry, not trying to be nasty.

But I do get a little tired of these kinds of threads where some people always seem to start griping about "60s retreads" and "tie-dyes". Hey, that's who some of us ARE.

Taking it personally? It is personal. I'm not going to cut my hair just so Ma and Pa Kettle can identify with me more when they see me for five seconds on CNN.

Really, I think some people should understand that we come in all shapes, sizes, hair lengths, colors, and wardrobes, and there's REALLY no point in slamming people who put in the effort to make their views known lust because you don't like their shirts. If "Middle America" is going to judge the merits of Iraq based on the amount of tie-dye in Crawford, they've got even bigger problems in the head than I thought.

[titoresque]

145. LMAO!

good one! So you're saying you think the media cares? Like a genuine...."We care!" OR LIKE.........(whisper, whisper)..."let's find the craziest looking dude out here so we'll get a big pat on the back from our bought-and-paid for Producer" ..... Like that kind of "Give a fuck" ???????

You know what.....IF ANYONE IS GOING TO DIVIDE AND DILUTE THE MESSAGE HERE IT WILL BE PEOPLE LIKE YOU! The ones telling Cindy to "be a little more soft spoken" and you people saying "dress this way"

This is not "just another" demonstration....THIS IS NOT A GAME!

THESE ARE MOMENTS FROM ONE DEATH TO THE NEXT!!!!!!
Get that????????? ONE DEATH TO THE NEXT! You think a soldier wanting desperately to come home GIVES A FUCK ABOUT WHAT WE WEAR WHILE WE'RE DEMANDING AN END TO THIS WAR????????????

[helderheid]

155. Fine. Ignore me. For Crissakes guys quit taking this so fucking personally

[Warren DeMontague]

170. Maybe you should consider that what looks "Mainstream" to your section

of the USA isn't what looks mainstream to some of ours?

[helderheid]

176. FYI

I've lived in 10 states as well as overseas.

[Warren DeMontague]

69. Almost Cut My Hair

It happened just the other day
It's gettin kinda long
I coulda said it wasn't in my way
But I didn't and I wonder why
I feel like letting my freak flag fly
Cause I feel like I owe it to someone

[Swamp Rat]

70. HAHAHAHA!!!

:rofl:

[G_j]

78. hey, better tone down the color on that peace sign!

on second thought, the peace sign itself is pretty "sixties" better get rid of that too.

:sarcasm:

[Swamp Rat]

88. Is this better?

Big Brother Loves You.

[G_j]

90. much safer!

thanks!

[ClayZ]

107. Swamp Rat, I am putting that in my collection!

GOOD ONE!




these are only $20! CUTE... WE should send one to MOLLEY MALLOY!

[Cha]

195. Leave it to the Swamp Rat

to come up with a Giant Tie Dyed Freakin' Peace Symbol!

Love IT!

[proud2BlibKansan]

71. That is absolutely ridiculous

I spent the last two days in Crawford and there is NOT an abundance of tie dye there.

Idiot freepers impose dress codes. Smart progressives and liberals respect each other's good sense to dress appropriately.

[helderheid]

73. I totally see your point - the biggest impact we can make is by

looking as "conservative" and "joe smoe next door" like as possible. It may not be "right" that we should have to do this but perception is EVERYTHING (and the right is brilliant at it).

Shrub will be here in Utah on Monday. I plan on looking EXTREMELY straight laced. I'm going to be wearing Talbots! :) I will also be holding a sign either saying "Worst President EVER" (with the W in red with a blad circle and a slash through it) or "Support Our Troops - Bring Them Home NOW" (which I will most likely hold since he's addressing vets).

[Warren DeMontague]

133. Utah, huh? If you come to Northern California looking like that

people will think you're some kind of freak. :hippie:

[helderheid]

156. I know... I lived in Santa Cruz for a stint ;)

[FredScuttle]

231. look like them?

Look like this? :wtf:



If I have dress like the Brooks Brothers riot, I'm renouncing my citizenship and moving to Montreal. Sacre bleu!

[rucky]

74. the Latin Kings called. they want their uniform back. n/t

[mopinko]

76. everyone in a circle now? commence firing.

this is just the kind of stupid shit that gets us every time. shut up. this is not military school. write letters to the media, and tell them not to focus on the most wild animal looking person in the crowd. but don't shovel this kind of stupid shit. don't be the clothes nazi.

[Mythsaje]

82. I'll never conform

and you can't make me!

;)

[rodeodance]

83. i can see your point. but 'peacniks' are beatiful to me.

[G_j]

95. proud that we are creative, colorful, diverse people

:-)

RW rallies? bland, joyless devoid of color and life..
:-(

[struggle4progress]

84. Some coverage will always emphasize tired old cliches, no matter ..

.. what people do or how people dress ...

[burythehatchet]

87. I commend all you folks who responded reasonably, calmly and accurately

I surely would have had the temperment to respond in that fashion.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

89. white feathers were also handed out to cowards white is also surrender

[titoresque]

159. don't the KKK

wear white? Plus, white really isnt a color to be kept clean at a
camp site.

[NoSheep]

91. Let's ban black people! You know how much we red staters hate them.

What about lazy wetbacks? And fat people! We all know they don't really care about anything but eating! I bet they all went down just to scope out the free pizza. You may think tie-dye looks anachronistic but that is only because middle America and the Bushie's and the fundies have tried to ruin the image of anyone who isn't in some kind of modest and traditional dress doing modest and traditional things like getting married, birthing babies and voting for the GODDAMN republican party. Shame on you. It is squelching to the human spirit at the very least. Don't you think we should appear as we are? Is a business suit not a cliche? And look at all the crime committed in a business suit!
And by the way, as to the white T-shirt: what makes you think "everyone has one"? I think you should post a photo of yourself and let us all critique it to see if you pass our smell test!
This kind of narrow-mindedness is EXACTLY the reason we are having to fight these pigs. You are clearly one of the sheep of the world. We need more like you to fill out their numbers. That would certainly seal our failure. :banghead:

[helderheid]

94. No one is suggesting this.

Quite a stretch there.

[G_j]

96. using the word "banning" in the OP

wrong foot to start on

[helderheid]

97. Good point

Very good point. I do see the point too of using the media to our best advantage.

[NoSheep]

100. As do I. Believe me, I didn't "miss the point". I am merely trying to

raise the "where does it stop and who gets to decide" issue that the OP begs for. I'm also mad as hell at the suggestion that anyone here at DU is qualified to tell others what they should wear and why. I am about diversity. Always. Anything else is screaming "hypocritical". :wtf:

[G_j]

101. "suggesting" is fine

though I think most people would disagree.

If someone wants to see joyless blandness and lack of diversity, a RW rally is where to look.

[Warren DeMontague]

142. Not to mention atrocious spelling:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4407456&mesg_id=4407456

[helderheid]

147. Hey, I look pretty damned joyful in my talbots skirt and turquois shirt!

;)

[Warren DeMontague]

169. Hey, Good for you.

I don't tell you how to dress. But I'm absolutely astounded that you can't see how presumptuous it is for you to try to do that to me.

[helderheid]

177. And I'm astounded that you don't see my point.

cest la vie

[ElsewheresDaughter]

92. OY VEY!

[Daphne08]

98. Lordy, the world has changed!

;)

[Bluerthanblue]

99. WE are everyone- tie dye, or suit and tie- be genuine- be honest.

This is REAL LIFE, not a commercial, or a rehersal.

i'm tired of plastic turkeys and photo ops.
they are the lies that brought us to where we are.

If people won't 'buy' the message because of the packaging, then what we are 'selling' isn't worth shit. And they wouldn't truly treasure or 'own' what we offer anyway.

[orpupilofnature57]

102. How about rednecks taking a chance of killing someone ,to vandalize signs?

Whatever happened to that little shit?

[Warren DeMontague]

129. That's not a big deal. Fuckin' hippies who listen to the grateful dead

they're the real problem. :sarcasm:

[Cha]

198. Yeah?

I say FUCK THE CORPORATE MEDIA!

If there were a ban on tie-dyes the cm would write up another way that this is likened to a '60's Peace Movement. Like there was anything wrong with that..got us out of VietNam, didn't it?

And I know I'm preaching to the choir here. :)

I like another DUer's suggestion..I think the media would really like it if we all wore FUCKING BROWN SHIRTS!

[Warren DeMontague]

217. Actually, being against the war AT ALL is the part that is "out of touch"

if we'd drop that, I bet we could wear whatever we want.

[Wizard777]

103. White is not really a color. It's a monochromatic.

But if it must be a color. It's the color of surrender. As in raising the white flag. At best it's a truce. The true color of Peace for our Nation would be Purple. When Red and Blue comes together you get Purple. That is what it will take for us to have Peace. The Red and the Blue comming together. As long as the red and the Blue remain seperated by the great divider. His Black Flag corporate war shall rage on unchecked. So come together, right now! ;)

As for the 60's. Why try to reinvent the wheel? That is Bush & Roves Thang. We simply need to reenforce some spokes and make it spin faster.

[shadowknows69]

104. OK to end this argurment

lets all just pledge to protest naked. tell me the MSM will fail to cover that.

[Wizard777]

118. I like it!

The symbology of that would be having nothing to hide and therefore nothing to fear. Boy that would really eat a hole in Bush's ass. A confident and self assured nation that doesn't need his Protection Racket

[jbnow]

121. Not funny...sun damage. We need

Greek togas or we'll dress like Jesus or perhaps Arab garb?

But not naked, think of the blistering breasts and buttocks

[TankLV]

228. Or "other" appendages!

Believe me, it's NOT a "good" feeling!

[Cha]

199. Why not?

bush walks around without any clothes on.

[shadowknows69]

216. I volunteer to generously apply sunscreen

to any cute, naked, female protesters that need it. :evilgrin:

[Redneck Socialist]

106. Can I at least bring my hacky sack...

or is that too lefty too? :eyes: :hippie:

[cap]

109. fashion statement

peasant skirts and blouses are very fashionable in NYC> I am starting to see them drift out to the burbs.

I dont know what to say. The sixties civil rights protests looked dignified in suits and dresses -- but that was a sign of the time.
Other folks looked more casual in the anti-war protest. Clothing reflected the desire for a loosening of the strictures

There is a need to start a spiritual revival and a longing for bright happier days is very evident in the population.

I think there needs to be a loosening of the spirit here. Dress is one way to affect this change. Periodically I wear my peasant clothes into the office as a quiet sign of protest on casual Fridays. I dress it up with nice jewelry and heels. I secretly smile and hum sixties music. Every so often I flash the V sign for peace. My husband calls me Moon Child on those days. We are happy.

[leesa]

112. Well, let's be good little dems and do whatever the gop wants

Especially wearing white because it's in the flag! When are we going to stop letting the GOP control us?

[Warren Stupidity]

113. Huh?

"If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution" - emma goldman, 1869 - 1940. Me and emma are like one. You go have your white t-shirt only parade, I'll be hanging with the hippies.

[Donailin]

114. I agree. And if you look at the pics from the vigil the other night

all you saw was middle class america -- VERY conservative looking people. I thought that was a good thing. We will not be taken seriously if we're portrayed as throwbacks from the sixties. We just won't.

[Warren DeMontague]

143. And if you rudely purge the ranks of all us "sixties throwbacks"

you're gonna have some lonely fucking rallies.

[Peace Patriot]

116. Dude, Dudette, you think you can control the image of protesters in the

El Sicko, bobble-headed, ghoul-mouthed, hair-doed, lying, war profiteering, Bush sucking, exit poll "adjusting," brainwashing, poison-pushing, planet-killing, public airwave stealing, rotten, good for nothing, fascist corporate news monopolies?

Har, har, har.

[Cha]

200. Excellent question!

:toast: Peace Patriot!

[Pepperbelly]

117. what a crock of shit ... dress codes?

Give me a break. What you perceive as an image problem means diddly shit to other independent and sentient beings.

[KyndCulture]

119. Long hair hippie people need not apply.... ????

You're off your rocker... all I can say is FUCK THAT!

Way to celebrate our differences and be the party of the big tent. Hey you damn hippie peacenix stay away from our protest you don't fit in.

OH man this post pisses me off.

[satya]

120. "Should be banned" doesn't work here, but it kind of proves your point --

I might be so put off by your choice of words that I won't hear what you're trying to say. And Corporate Media will show the most "out of the mainstream" people at the vigils if they want to marginalize our message.

The photo I saw here yesterday of the older woman getting out a of car and into her wheelchair at the Crawford vigil should be on the front page of every newspaper. I love the pictures of the grandpas and grandmas and kids. It's one of the things that makes me hopeful that our message is being heard. After years of seeing the same old diehards (bless their hearts) at local vigils, new faces are showing up now since Cindy went to Crawford,

[Cleita]

123. Why don't we just turn the vigil over to the Young Republicans.

Republicans judge on appearances and they are the ones who are snooting down their noses at the appearances of the protesters. I say the more tie-die the better.

[Tyranny_R_US]

125. "Middle" America also responds to shaved heads and nazi flags!

Maybe we should appease your "Middle American" friends by banning anyone of color from the camps and vigils then invite various bands from resistance records to play every night!

Jerk!

[meganmonkey]

138. Welcome to DU, Tyranny_R_US!

:toast:

[Tyranny_R_US]

139. Thank You

:hug:

[teach1st]

131. So are people who wear dress clothes...

..and ties throwbacks to the fifties?

Tie-dye is cool. Whatever one likes to wear is cool. I'm not going to bother my pretty little mind with worrying about what the plastic folks will think.

I'm proud of my hippiness. It's a throwback to nothing, it ain't nostalgia, and it's me.

How one looks is soo-oo unimportant...unless we make it so. How one thinks, how one acts, the quality of one's heart...that's what matters.

Fit to be tie-dyed in Florida

[Cha]

201. "Fit To Be Tie Dyed"!

Would make a good caption on a Tie Dye shirt to wear to a Peace Rally! B-)

[Liberal In Texas]

135. "tired old 60's cliches" ? Like war is wrong? Sorry, it is not a tired

old cliche. People might be tired of hearing it, but a fact is a fact.

War was wrong in the '60s and '70s and is still wrong.

[Warren DeMontague]

136. No shit. I guess the 80s were better.

You know, Greed is good, fuck the other guy... But be sure to look sharp and well groomed doing it!

[Liberal In Texas]

140. Yeah. I loved "Looking Out For Number One" and "I got mine, now

now you get yours."

It seems like we still have that sentiment with a war thrown in.

[Warren DeMontague]

141. Middle America can't relate to gays and lesbians

clearly, they should stay in the closet and avoid upsetting anyone. Certainly "We" should not be affiliated with such types in public.

Much of Middle America can't relate to Jews, and most of middle America can't relate to atheists, agnostics, or other unbelievers. They better shut the hell up about their rejection of Jesus, if they get near a camera at a rally. In fact, we better leave that whole "separation of church and state" thing out of our party's agenda, because it might alienate Middle America.

Minorities? much of Middle America has a problem with them, unless they're sports stars or something. Better keep those rallies nice and white.

Obviously, the massive victory Bush won in last year's election was a mandate for "values", and as such, we really need to stop talking about stuff like reproductive choice, which has a tendency to alienate "middle America".

But, as long as we're talking about dress codes, I'm curious: Is it JUST tie-dyes that should be "banned" in Crawford? Or are there other fashion statements or appearance issues that "We" should be sure to do away with?

What about people with Tatoos?
What about people with mohawks?
People with Long Hair? Short Hair? Blue hair? Green Hair? Red Hair? No Hair?
What about people with facial hair? ZZ Top beards? Goatees? Handlebar Moustaches? (After all, they might be -gasp!- accused of dragging out "tired old '60s cliches"- 1860s, that is.) 5 o'clock shadow? Bad bowl haircuts? (I would say mullets, but I suspect the mullet crowd is on the other side)
People with pets?
Midgets?
People wearing t-shirts for bands like The Sex Pistols?
People wearing t-shirts for bands like Huey Lewis and The News?
People on Stilts?
How about people in Leisure Suits?
People with giant afros?
People with Pictures of Bill Clinton on their shirts?
People with Pictures of George Clinton on their shirts?
What about celebrity lookalikes?
Actual Celebrities?
Jugglers? No, absolutely, juggling in any form should be banned in crawford.

[titoresque]

146. No Stilts!

:rofl:

[jonnyblitz]

183. i have tattoos, a mohawk AND piercings..i better stay home

so as not to ruin it for all the "normal" folks in their sunday school outfits.:P

[Blue_Tires]

189. Huey Lewis and The News RAWKS!!! n/t

[Vincardog]

149. FK the Corporate Controlled Media. Wear what ever you wan just

Get your ass down to Crawford and stand by Cindy. She speaks for ME.

[RetroLounge]

150. Can we come as HUGE puppets and do street theatre

as long as we don't wear tie die?

:sarcasm:

RL

[Stil]

157. Okay,

You mean I have to leave my tie-die rolling stone tongue shirt at the house? And make sure I have my grateful dead steal your face tattoo covered up. Maybe cut my ponytail. ;) :D (Big, ugly, hippie, Texan, here.) BTW just having fun here. In case you miss the smilies.

[alcibiades_mystery]

160. Pffffffffffffttttt.... Stalinist bullshit

Yes, oh mighty vanguard! Draw out the strategy, and keep the masses in properly revolutionary formation! The revolution is greater than a temporary loss of freedom! To the front, comrades...and wear your uniforms!

Gimme a fucking break. Message discipline? How's this for message discipline: F-U-C-K Y-O-U.

[NoSheep]

163. I agree! Fuck You!

:eyes:

[htuttle]

164. You mean the revolution is going to have a dress code?

:eyes:

"If I can't dance, it's not my revolution."
-- Emma Goldman

[Fescue4u]

174. Will they provide loaner jacket and ties?

Like the finer restaurants do? (at least on tv)

[in_cog_ni_to]

178. I disagree

with every fiber of my being! We tie-dye freaks stopped the Vietnam War and we will stop the Iraqi war......WITH COLORFUL TIE-DYE STYLE!

As a LIBERAL, this is INSULTING!


For those with the desire to wear tie-dye...go here! GREAT hippie shop! :7

http://www.hippieshop.com/cgi-bin/gold/category/1001

[Cha]

204. Oh you're BAD!

[in_cog_ni_to]

210. hehe...Just can't help myself.

[Lorien]

179. Tie-dye is back in Vogue-LITERALLY

Open up this month's issue of Vogue, and you'll see ads and articles devoted to "hippie chic" and 'the New Bohemian"; the uber rich are now shelling out huge sums of cash for designer items that are nothing more than retooled looks from the late '60's anti-war movement. So what you're suggesting is a rejection of mainstream fashion trends.

[Cha]

205. Thanks, I didn't know that..

you find out the best things on DU! :D

[Bridget Burke]

237. The "Boho" styles remind me of the RIch Hippie look.

Yes, they are all over--with knock-offs available for the non-uber-rich. Hardly a slave to fashion, I did buy a couple of those bright gathered skirts adorned with **sequiins**! And I've got a few items from my checkered past that fit right in.

I didn't care for Tie Dye the first time it was hip. But people should dress as they wish. White t-shirts would, indeed, show the sweat stains--& pick up dust.

[lilsistah]

180. "Nothing but PETA, hippies and Naderites"

Just heard that one on Meet the Press this morning. Har. Which one is my big sis Elenahaha (or whatever her dang handle is on this thing)?

[in_cog_ni_to]

182. Welcome to DU, lilsistah!

:hi:

[Cha]

206. Yeah, Welcome to

DU, lilsistah!

[DistressedAmerican]

181. One Of The Stupidist Suggestions I Have Ever Seen Posted Here!

Seriously, are you kidding me? I guess we should just do it up right and ban hippies from the peace movement.

Jesus, what a steaming pile!

[dxstone]

219. You said it, buddy...

Totally!
Have you checked out my other related thread? It's gettin' some pretty good responses:

There's NOTHING TIRED About the Sixties! BRING 'EM BACK!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4416468

I hope you're all doing well out there; I'm gonna go look to see if you've posted any new pics yet!
d

[Cha]

186. There's room for EVERYBODY..

My local paper interviewed an 85 year old World War II Veteran who said.."that was a necessary war, I believed in that. I don't believe in this war at all."

Emphasis added by me.

And the picture the newspaper provided was one of a couple who looked in their '70's who said they were there to support Cindy Sheehan.

This paper is from a city with a republican mayor.

[Clark2008]

190. I've seen more camouflage than tie-die

You know - from the Iraqi War veterans who are protesting along with Cindy.

[Cha]

208. We got the Camouflage!

All kinds of colors protesting this Invasion that has been proven to be based on the LIES from the bushwa.

[McCamy Taylor]

191. Can you say "underarm sweat stains in an hour"? White shirt my ass.

[RSchewe]

209. The Message is the issue, too many unrelated causes is not going to help

The families of the troops should be front and center. That is what this is about. The unjust war. I have no problem with the support of anyone being there but it sometimes seems that these other activist groups are trying to milk the spotlight for their own exposure. There is no doubt that most of the activist groups have the same goals as Cindy and her cause but this is not their deal.

This is the whole argument about muddying the message I think is the most valid argument, not if hippies are there or any other anti-war group. Besides, for every anti-war group there is a pro-war group and those should be the people getting criticized. As far as I am concerned no one should be pro-war. One thing is being a strong defender of our country, but another is going out to attack countries that pose no threat to us. People just love to get sucked into that Frank Luntz new-speak. It drives me nuts.

One thing that would be of help to these protests, as I have noticed in many, is that they raise a flag for once. I know the way the right displays the flag is straight up silly, but there is a way to do it right. We are demonstrating because we want to take our country back. The first thing we should do is not let the super-patriots be the only people showing it at all. It would probably be a good idea for someone that works closely with Cindy Sheehan to have someone show one nice flag prominently behind her when she speaks. We all know how ignorant Bush is and how his policies are sinking the country, but if that is all you see in the pictures it gets a bit tired. Republicans when you see them on TV always have a flag behind them, Democrats, sometimes. It may sound silly but it is like a subliminal message. Again, it doesn't have to be a ridiculous display, but it shouldn't be absent either.

Anyway, that is just my take. Sorry if this is a little ranty but some kind of discipline or structure is needed. Democrats for too long have been all over the map on everything.

[dxstone]

215. WTF? The 60's should be the MODEL!!!

So I guess my assless chaps are right out, then?

Sorry, but many of us just don't see it as you do...
Perhaps you simply joined the wrong side by accident?

The '60's should be the MODEL for what we are trying to accomplish today!
We need to REMEMBER and HONOR the remarkable achievement of those times, if we are ever to see such bright days come around again.

There was NOTHING TIRED about the 60's! BRING 'EM BACK!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4416468

PEACE! LOVE! REVOLUTION!
d

ps:
If you are going to Crawford, Texas
Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair...

pss:
Unless you don't want to... it's up to you.
The important thing is for people to get out there, tell the TRUTH about who they are and REPRESENT!
Everything else is just another brick in the wall.

[TankLV]

220. Yeah - "tired old 60's cliches" like racial equalilty, peace and love are

just so

so

"pre-911"!

You can politely go fuck yourself and this "great" idea.

I wish the 60's were back and the bozos who abandoned the ideals they espoused GONE!

[Lisa0825]

227. I love Tie-dye.

I love the Peace sign.

I love hippies.

I love diversity.

I love long hair.

I love real hippies reminiscing about past activism I was born too late for.

I love being free to express myself in any way I want.

Asking people to change the way they express themselves in order to appeal to the media is like asking us to become more like right wingers.

Diversity conforming... war peace... patriot act freedom...

[ima_sinnic]

229. oh right! "Middle America" will really "respond" well to

everybody wearing the same thing, white t-shirts. I guess Neal Boortz wasn't kidding when he said (incomprehensibly, to me at least) that "liberals" want to "destroy individualism."

"Hey, Martha, them nuts down there to the "Peace Camp" look like they're in a "collective" now or sumpin'. Dangdest thing I ever did see."

hey, news flash: I HATE wearing white t-shirts! I can't think of anything more insipid or boring. I will wear whatever I goddam please, WHEN and WHERE I goddam please.

And were you going to volunteer to go to Crawford to stand guard at Camp Casey to turn away those who are improperly dressed?

sheesh!

It must be so hard to be an unfulfilled control freak :nopity: ... :eyes:

[Hubert Flottz]

230. I hate it when I look chap...

it's just so chap looking!

[symbolman]

232. Bring LOTS AND LOTS OF FLAGS

Cover the place in flags, have people dancing around with a flag in their hands, little ones, big ones, etc..

Don't duct tape a nazi symbol on one, don't burn one, don't do like Kid Rock (and had I been there I would have knocked him on his ass) and make a "poncho" out of one by slitting it in the middle, then tossing it off on the stage to be trampled upon..

We need to take the FLAG BACK from the right wingers, it belongs to us much more than them.. WE respect it, WE don't let it turn into a bunch of little tattered filthy strings ratting around in the breeze from our car windows, etc..

Other than that, get a haircut, wear GAP clothing, big tennis shoes and only eat corporate approved foods :)

Kidding, but not about the flags, there can never be enough of them..

[Piperay]

233. Totally agree nt

:thumbsup:

[Hubert Flottz]

239. They act like they like the flag, but they are too good to ever go

and fight for it in a war they cheer on. Good idea symbolman, ram the flag down their throats, until they choke on them.

[rman]

234. so much for "big tent"...

big enough for liberalism denouncing moderates (aka DLC), not big enough for progressives...

[spuddonna]

235. Welcome to Thunderdome! lol

GEEZ!!!

Somewhere a Monty Python voice screams:
"Do not insult the holy tie-dye!" :7

Look, I understand where BrightKnight's heart was in this... We're trying to stop a war. BrightKnight was trying to emphasize how serious this is, but may have stated the case badly... But I get it - you want this to work so much, and anything that might turn people away becomes suspect...

I was looking at some of the vigil pictures and thinking, "What cool pics... There are so many people there, some with suits, some with shorts, kids, older people, etc."

And then I saw the tie dyes - and I smiled. Because even my little girl wears a tie dye shirt - it's a 'Palm Springs' souvenir shirt.

My son's school shirt is a blue tie dye shirt.

Tie dyes have changed. The world has changed. Banning tie dyes isn't really going to do anything...

The people who will be against the protesters will find something, anything that will eventually represent the 'evil' that is behind the demonstration... heck maybe even buzzcuts!

Maybe a decade from now, people will look back and think, "Whoa, there goes a guy with baggy shorts and high tops - why's he dressing like a protester?"

So I understand both points... and also have learned not to mess with the terrible tie-dye! :hippie:

[Bridget Burke]

236. When you go to Crawford, wear what you please.

Perhaps you can persuade the other protesters to set up a Dress Code.

[Lochloosa]

238. I will fly my Colors when ever and where ever I want

Don't tell me what and what not to wear...