Starbucks and Diebold in cahoots

[Zomby Woof]

While I am perusing today's Los Angeles Times at my local Starbucks, a barista goes to the window and places a "STOP" sign-shaped red warning sticker to tell potential robbers about the cash being kept in a time-delayed safe.

In big letters at the bottom of the sticker, is the logo for DIEBOLD.

I betcha a double tall vanilla latte that the cash is one thing that never gets miscounted or hacked, eh?

Anyway, I usually defend Starbucks, whose labor practices and benefits aren't nearly as bad as Naomi Klein wants you to think, but here I can draw the line.

Unfortunately, LOTS of companies use Diebold in this way, and a boycott may not even make a damn difference. Banks, credit unions, lots of retail outlets - many use Diebold for their security. But I suppose as long as I have the freedom of choice to some extent, I will exercise it. We shall see...

Our local Krispy Kreme makes better coffee anyway, but the only way to resist the evil temptation of the World's Best Donuts is to not go at all. I have to maintain my curvy voluptuous figure, after all...

I will seek out other coffee outlets, when I am not consuming at home.

Damn dilemmas. Damn conscience.

Fuck Starbucks AND Diebold.

[don954]

1. Diebold is one of the largest suppliers of $ related equipment in america

I would bet there is not a bank in america that dosnt use their equipment. Dibold also makes a large ammount of the ATM machines in the nation.

[Stephanie]

2. And every one of those ATM's prints out a receipt

[don954]

26. yep, strange that, they make just about every thing with a recept printer

by default, but voting machines, cant have that! on no!

[Zomby Woof]

3. That is what I am afraid of

I suppose I am just venting - and little can be done about it. Starbucks and banks in general have LOTS to account for with their practices.

[AlCzervik]

4. good luck finding an atm that doesn't use Diebold.

[Zomby Woof]

5. I addressed that in my post

Which nobody seems to acknowledge. I do say after all, that I very well can't stop banking.

Of course, if I want cash, I can get it from a teller with no fee at my bank. I just do it the old way - write a check for CASH.

[Desertrose]

9. Well, you can switch to herbal tea and don't you have an old sock...

hiding around somewhere for all your banking needs???

:evilgrin:

:hi::loveya::hug:
DMom

[Zomby Woof]

11. Herbal tea tastes like I filtered my old sock!

:P :loveya:

I will NEVER GIVE UP coffee!!!

Next thing I know, you will suggest I drink DON FRANCISCO! ;-)


Hey DMom! I am loving SoCal! Went to a vigil for Cindy the other night, and posted a thread in here (with a pic) - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4388310

Can't beat the 78 degree days and 65 degree nights! :woohoo:

Lots of flaming liberal DK supporters here too! :D

:hug: to you all in AZ!

[Desertrose]

22. Never gonna let me live ol Don Francisco down, are ya??

Glad you love SoCal :hug: sounds pretty sweet ;)

Did a vigil here in little ol' Sedona and we got about 60 people and the cops even came. You know us wild folk here. ;)

:loveya::hug: back to ya'll there in Socal,too:)
DR

(braces come off today...finally...that means we can eat :popcorn: again)

[Zomby Woof]

25. YAY!

I remember that day fondly! And popcorn was our dinner that evening! :popcorn: :toast: :D Happy day in Sedona! :bounce:

[mondo joe]

6. Kind of hard to hold them responsible for using DIEBOLD when there

isn't even a boycott or any organized movement.

And if you give up Starbucks because of that you'll pretty much need to give up banking and groceries (they use safes too) and so on and so on. Unless, of course, your righteousness is satisfied by Starbucks alone.

[Zomby Woof]

7. naw

I will probably head back there Monday. My righteousness flows out of me like a mighty stream, and then things resume normally. ;-)

[Caution]

8. Starbucks has a Dark Blue rating from buyblue.org

====quote====
Starbucks currently has a 100% BuyBlue rating due to its executives' political contributions for the 2003-2004 election cycle. During that election cycle, every Starbucks executive whose contributions we researched on the Federal Elections Commission site contributed to a Democratic candidate.
====end quote====

http://www.buyblue.org/detail.php?corpId=1

Krispy Kreme?

Dark Red

====quote====
Krispy Kreme currently has a 0% BuyBlue rating due to political contributions for the 2003-2004 election cycle. Krispy Kreme executives (all of which left the company Jan 2005 due to a financial scandal) donated exclusively to one politician - James Helvey (R) NC House. We have also included the current executives in the profile, but their donations are not relevent as they were not in control of Krispy Kreme during the last election cycle. Krispy Kreme does not have a political action committee.
====end quote====

http://www.buyblue.org/detail.php?corpId=243

Edit: For link to Krispy Kreme profile.

[Zomby Woof]

10. I don't buy into the false red/blue dichotomy

First of all, Krispy Kreme is franchised, so there is a possibility that the local owner may not be "red". I live in a heavily "blue" area, as it were.

Secondly, think of the employees. Many of the employees of BOTH places are usually young people paying for college or trying to feed their kids.

Many of them vote Democratic.

So I question the effectiveness of any red/blue boycott because it could further deny money to where it is needed most: In the pockets of working Americans. I will not punish workers by "sending a message" to their masters.

Also, the idea of boycotting Starbucks is a ruse, because I am showing the folly of the red/blue dichotomy.

[Caution]

16. I disagree with your premise in three small areas

I tend to agree with you when it comes to franchised stores. However

1.) when the corporate parent exerts major control (Home Depot for example) I will not frequent their business (I go to Lowes)

2.) You are not hurting the workers to any great degree. The turnover in retail and most consumer driven business is so large that there is often no reason a worker cannot switch to a more responsible business.

3.) Corporations which are truly active politically (through PACs, corporate sponsorship of events, hiring of conservative speakers, etc) do not get my patronage.

Do I think my boycott will be effective? No.

Do I think that Starbucks is an evil organization because they use Diebold for monetary security purposes? No.

Do I think Diebold is evil? Yes.

I think that being a responsible consumer is important. It's often very difficult to keep it up though (Lowe's is a 15 minute drive each way from my home, Home Depot is a 2 minute drive...bastards!).

All that said, man does Krispy Kreme make some damned fine donuts.

[Zomby Woof]

20. I think we both agree

That this issue has many facets, and you have as many salient and valid points as I do.

You will note in my OP that I do say I defended Starbucks in the past for their labor practices. So that is in agreement with much of what you said.

It is likely both places will get my business again, and that it isn't that black and white. I would like to think, even in the short term, I am helping a good person earn a living, even if they leave for another job. But in this economy, many are staying put. It's a tough donut to crack, eh?

:toast:

[Caution]

21. Definitely! Cheers! n/t

[Ian David]

12. Krispy Kreme is a big Repuke donor. Starbucks is 100% blue.

Starbucks also sells Equal Exchange coffee, contributes to progressive causes, and "sah-ports the homer-sex-yew-all ajender."

It might be worth a polite call to Bucky's.

[Zomby Woof]

14. See my post above yours

I don't buy into the false dichotomy. Besides, Howard Schultz does support the Israeli agenda, so fuck him.

[DanCa]

13. Didn't Starbucks stop a Springsteens Devils and Dust give a way

Because it was too anti repug?

[Zomby Woof]

15. Probably!

But if BuyBlue (an organization of dubious merit) says they are blue, then by gum, who are we to use reason? :shrug: :evilgrin:

[DanCa]

17. Hmm well the boss has never gave me a reason to question him (nt)

[Caution]

19. BuyBlue is easily verifiable

They simply search the FEC database on the corporate executives (publicly available information for any publicly traded corporation). The entire corporate team at starbucks donates exclusively to Democrats.

(I'm defending Starbucks here when I personally think they are a HUGE ripoff...if only I could resist the damned Mocha Frappacinos!)

[Caution]

18. It was more due to springsteen's refusal to allow any branding

Which is really the only reason for starbucks to do something like this in the first place. They did cite lyrics as one of but not the only reason for the deal to fall through.

[DanCa]

23. May I Please have links to Starbucks side of the story

and any other info that you have. I'll be the first to admit there's more than one two sides two any story and I would like to research both sides of the debate and than get back to you. I am not infallible so I may have misread something. Thank you Danny :D

[Javaman]

24. Ironically, diebold makes ATMs with paper receipts. funny how that is.

[Deja Q]

27. Funny how a big banking firm says receipts aren't needed for a voting box.

If a vote was like money, there'd be a paper trail so long it'd put the toilet paper industry out of business...