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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 01:58 PM
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Military Covertly recruiting kids in High School. so Parents Opt Out !
Edited on Tue Sep-30-03 02:01 PM by protect freedom impe
But YOU as a parent can opt-out, that is -- remove your child's name & telephone number, address, so the military recruiters do not have direct access to your child.

Even your child's cell phone # and email address.

Its all for the military at your child's school records.

When your child lists his/her cell number for school records-
the military gets it too. Same with email address.

SO, EVEN If your child has already been contacted, and your child turned down the recruiters, the recruiters will continue to try to get your child to sign up months & years later. SO opt-out anyway.


My nephew, a 15 yr old High School Junior now gets emails from a military recuiter once a month.

They even call his cellphone too about once a month.

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http://www.sunspot.net/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.recruiting29sep29,0,3322006.story


Covertly recruiting kids

By David Goodman
Originally published September 29, 2003


A WEEK before school started this year, I noticed a small advertisement in my local newspaper. It was from my school district, and buried in the ad's fine print was an announcement that the local high school would be sending the names and phone numbers for all juniors and seniors to U.S. military recruiters.
This is more than a back-door assault on student privacy. It may have life-or-death consequences for unwitting kids who are contacted by recruiters.

This student information give-away was mandated in a little-known provision of the No Child Left Behind Act, President Bush's sweeping education law. The law went into effect in 2002, but many schools only became aware of the obscure military recruiting provision in the last year. Schools risk losing all federal aid if they fail to provide military recruiters full access to their students; the aid is contingent on complying with federal law.
This recruiting access provision is different from draft registration. Military conscription ended in 1973, but starting in 1980, 18-year-old males have been required to register for possible military call-up.

What does military recruiting have to do with education? Nothing. But it has everything to do with eliminating a community's ability to decide how it guards student privacy.
The military recruiting requirement has forced many schools to overturn longstanding policies on protecting student records from prying eyes. My local high school, like most in the country, carefully guards its student directory information from the countless organizations, businesses and special-interest groups that are itching to tempt impressionable teens.

No other parent who I asked noticed my school's ad. That's just what the Bush administration wants. This provision relies on stealth. If students and parents are alerted that military recruiters will come knocking, they might be tempted to take advantage of the law's opt-out clause: parents can notify the school in writing to withhold their child's name from recruiters.
Schools are given wide leeway in how they inform parents and students about this provision. In Bennington, Vt., the high school principal sent home a letter explaining the new military recruitment provision and included a simple opt-out check-off for parents and students to sign and return. The result: One-sixth of the student body opted out

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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 02:01 PM
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1. They called my house all the time by my sons junior year
I told them they had the wrong number and to call the White House. No parent in their right mind would allow the recruiters to brainwash their kids with Bush in office!
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 03:19 PM
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15. My friend was called by recruiters every week for months
starting when she was 17, and ending when she signed the paperwork a week after she turned 18. She said the recruitment tactics were pretty heavy-handed and they wouldn't take no for an answer.

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stopthegop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 02:03 PM
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2. headline on story is misleading
whatver you think of the military calling the home, or sending a letter is not 'covert'....
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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 02:07 PM
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4. contacting kids who are minors IS.
Contacting your minor child is covert.

Calling you home and asking to talk to your minor child
is covert.

ALL based on Taking information that is PRIVATE from
school records IS COVERT.

Be it a public school or private school, taking information
about your child from the school's records IS COVERT.
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stopthegop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 02:09 PM
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5. not what the word means...
covert: secret, disguised...

Have a good afternoon
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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 02:14 PM
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6. secret from parents
When a recuiter calls a minor without the parents ok,

THAT IS SECRET from the Adult in charge.

Parents DO NOT want to be the first on their block
to have their child come home in a box!
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stopthegop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 02:14 PM
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7. right...have a good evening n/t
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 02:04 PM
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3. people have told me some crazy aggressive recruiter stories.
younger people I have talked do. High pressure sales stuff. People need to do their own outside research to determine if they care to join along with what one learns from the recruiter.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 02:33 PM
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8. Do Not Call List?
I know the Do Not Call List exempts political polsters and charities, what about military recruiters?
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LifeDuringWartime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 02:40 PM
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9. there was a specific date at my high school where you could opt-out
but i forgot about it....oops!

bastards wont get to me, thats for sure.
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Jack The Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 02:48 PM
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10. When I was a junior in HS...
They always had a booth at the college fairs my HS would put on. They were never invited to the school on their own, as I recall.

This was in the 1980s. Has that changed? Are they now allowed to just come into schools and recruit?

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 02:49 PM
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11. my 14 year old son came home last week .... the recruiters were there
last year 3 boys enlisted...they never got to graduate with the rest of the kids and are in Iraq as i type this :(....my son was very scared of them....as most of the kids were...makes me crazy maaaaad!

momma's sign the "opt out" papers NOW!!!
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 03:16 PM
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13. I as you know am a slight bit older than your son
I am sorry about those kids :(. I saw recruiters at our Spring job fair. They havent approached me yet guys but I do share your fears. Honestly although I have no problem with people who serve in the military, ROTC just freaks me out, I dunno its just that many of the people in it IIRC were real warhawks. Its an odd bunch at my school, pretty diverse in gender and in race. I never and never will see the appeal. There are people I get along with in it but I dont like ROTC. I dunno, they better not come after me.
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 03:13 PM
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12. They've been calling my 21 yr old for 4 years. Now my 17 yr old is
getting mail and about 4 calls a week from the army and marine corps recruiters.
I answer the phone quite often and tell them the Bu$h and Rumsfeld are not getting my kids and not to call back. Often I've been insulted and called "traitorous" by these recruiters.
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Jack The Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 03:37 PM
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19. I would immediately ask who their commanding officer is..
You shouldn't let anyone talk to you that way. I would raise holy hell! I would write a letter to my paper, I would call my congressman, I would be burning up the phone lines. I'd have that person's head on a platter.

I'm so SICK of these rightwing bastards tossing that "unpatriotic" shit around. It's time to start swinging back.

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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 03:17 PM
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14. Guys just to let you know I havent got anything yet
I do share your worries though.
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 03:44 PM
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21. I haven't heard anything from any recruiters either
If I do, there will be...issues. :evilgrin:
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Butterflies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 03:19 PM
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16. My 17 year old son has been called
the first call was from the Marines, and I'm glad my son wasn't home so I had a chance to talk to the recruiter. (He didn't tell me who he was when he asked for my son.) I told him my son would NOT become a Marine, and when he asked me if I would stand in his way if he decided to become a Marine I said "yes". He was polite and he asked me my reasons why, and I started to tell him that I disagree with military things that the government is doing but he hung up on me before I made my points. I didn't know anything about an opt out form that I could've given to the school, and I wish I had known. My son got a call from the Navy the other day while I was still at work, and he handled that one on his own (he has no interest, thank God.) These recruiters are sneaky.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 03:20 PM
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17. I am a year younger, really am sorry
I am sorry for you all. Do they start calling at 17? I havent heard about anything.
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Butterflies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 03:33 PM
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18. My son will be 18 in 3 months
so I guess they wait until close to age 18 and in the 12th grade. I'm sure they'll get to you next year. It feels like little sneak attacks on our family. I think these recruiters should set up a booth at the school on a particular day for students to come to them instead of them coming after the kids at home.
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Jack The Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 03:39 PM
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20. That's what they did when I was in HS..
There was none of this aggressive recruiting.

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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 03:49 PM
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22. This is compliments of "Leave No Child Behind"
*
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 04:28 PM
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25. "This is compliments of "Leave No Child Behind""
Edited on Tue Sep-30-03 04:29 PM by bigtree
Access to High School Students and Information on Students by Military Recruiters-October 9, 2002

Q.What are the recent changes made by Congress concerning military recruitment of high school students?A.Congress has passed two major pieces of legislation that generally require local educational agencies (LEAs) receiving assistance under the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 (ESEA)1 to give military recruiters the same access to secondary school students as they provide to postsecondary institutions or to prospective employers. LEAs are also generally required to provide students' names, addresses, and telephone listings to military recruiters, when requested.

Q.Where are these statutory requirements found?A.These requirements are contained in § 9528 of the ESEA (20 U.S.C. § 7908), as amended by the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 (P.L. No. 107-110)
These requirements are also contained in 10 U.S.C. § 503, as amended by § 544 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2002 (P.L. No. 107-107), the legislation that provides funding for the nation's armed forces.

Q.What is the effective date for these military recruiter access requirements?A.While there are differences in the effective date provisions for 10 U.S.C. § 503 and § 9528 of the ESEA, both provisions apply to all LEAs receiving ESEA funds by not later than July 1, 2002.

Q.What are the requirements of § 9528 of the ESEA?A.Each LEA that receives funds under the ESEA must comply with a request by a military recruiter or an institution of higher education for secondary students' names, addresses, and telephone numbers, unless a parent has "opted out" of providing such information.
Section 9528 also requires LEAs that receive funds under the ESEA to provide military recruiters the same access to secondary school students as they generally provide to postsecondary institutions or prospective employers. For example, if the school has a policy of allowing postsecondary institutions or prospective employers to come on school property to provide information to students about educational or professional opportunities, it must afford the same access to military recruiters.

Q.Under § 9528 of the ESEA, what notification must LEAs provide to parents before disclosing names, addresses, and telephone numbers of secondary students to military recruiters and officials of institutions of higher education?A.Under FERPA, an LEA must provide notice to parents of the types of student information that it releases publicly. This type of student information, commonly referred to as "directory information," includes such items as names, addresses, and telephone numbers and is information generally not considered harmful or an invasion of privacy if disclosed. The notice must include an explanation of a parent's right to request that the information not be disclosed without prior written consent.
Additionally, § 9528 requires that parents be notified that the school routinely discloses names, addresses, and telephone numbers to military recruiters upon request, subject to a parent's request not to disclose such information without written consent. A single notice provided through a mailing, student handbook, or other method that is reasonably calculated to inform parents of the above information is sufficient to satisfy the parental notification requirements of both FERPA and § 9528. The notification must advise the parent of how to opt out of the public, nonconsensual disclosure of directory information and the method and timeline within which to do so.

Q.If an LEA has not provided notice relating to "directory information," may it release a student's name, address, and telephone number when requested by a military recruiter?A.As noted above, an LEA may provide a single notice regarding both directory information and information disclosed to military recruiters. If an LEA does not disclose "directory information" under FERPA, then it must still provide military recruiters access to secondary students' names, addresses, and telephone listings. In addition, the LEA must notify parents that they may opt out of this disclosure. In other words, an LEA that does not disclose "directory information" must nonetheless provide a notice that it discloses information to military recruiters. The notice must be reasonably calculated to inform parents.

Q.If a parent opts out of the public, nonconsensual disclosure of directory information (or any subset of such information), must the three data elements be released to military recruiters upon their request?A.If a parent opts out of providing directory information to third parties, the opt-out relating to name, address, or telephone number applies to requests from military recruiters as well. For example, if the opt-out states that telephone numbers will not be disclosed to the public, schools may not disclose telephone numbers to military recruiters.

Q.If the school does not list one or more of the three data elements (e.g., telephone number) among its directory information, may it release that information to military recruiters?A.If a school does not designate one or more of the three items as "directory information" under FERPA, it still must provide all three items to military recruiters upon request. Also, in that case, the school would have to send a separate notice to parents about the missing "directory information" item(s), noting an opportunity to opt out of disclosure of the information to military recruiters. An easier method, of course, would be for the school to designate all three items - name, address, and telephone listing - as "directory information."

Q.How are the requirements under § 9528 of the ESEA enforced?A.Schools that do not comply with § 9528 of the ESEA could jeopardize their receipt of ESEA funds.

Q.How does § 544 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2002 amend the former requirements under 10 U.S.C. § 503?A.Section 544 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2002 revises Title 10, Section 503(c) in several important ways. First, the recruiting provisions now apply only to LEAs (including private secondary schools) that receive funds under the ESEA. Second, these provisions now require access by military recruiters to students, under certain conditions, and to secondary school students' names, addresses, and telephone listings. Third, as discussed earlier, they require LEAs to notify parents of their right to opt out of the disclosure of their children's names, addresses, and telephone numbers and to comply with any such requests from the parents or the students.

Q.How are these requirements under 10 U.S.C. § 503 enforced?A.In addition to the potential for loss of funds under ESEA noted above for failure to comply with § 9528 of the ESEA, an LEA that denies a military recruiter access to the requested information on students after July 1, 2002, will be subject to specific interventions under 10 U.S.C. § 503.
In this regard, the law requires that a senior military officer (e.g., Colonel or Navy Captain) visit the LEA within 120 days. If the access problem is not resolved with the LEA, the Department of Defense must notify the State Governor within 60 days. Problems still unresolved after one year are reported to Congress if the Secretary of Defense determines that the LEA denies recruiting access to at least two of the armed forces (Army, Navy, Marine Corps, etc.). The expectation is that public officials will work with the LEA to resolve the problem.

Additionally, the Department of Defense has developed a national high school data base to document recruiter access. Presently, 95 percent of the nation's 22,000 secondary schools provide a degree of access to military recruiters that is consistent with current law.

Q.Are private schools subject to the military recruiter requirements?A.Private secondary schools that receive funds under the ESEA are subject to § to 10 U.S.C. § 503. However, private schools that maintain a religious objection to service in the Armed Forces that is verifiable through the corporate or other organizational documents or materials of that school are not required to comply with this law.

STUDENT REQUEST TO REFUSE RELEASE OF CONTACT INFORMATION TO MILITARY RECRUTERS
To: Your School Superintendent

I am writing to request that you do not make my name, address, or telephone listing available for military recruitment purposes, as is provided under Paragraph 2, Subsection (a) of Section 9528 of Public Law 107-110*. I look foward to your prompt response to this letter.
Sincerely,____________________

Name:_______________________School___________

Address:_______________________________________

City/State/Zip:__________________________________
*Public Law 107-110,
The No Child Left Behind Act,
Provides that either students or parents may request that information not be released to military recruiters without written parental consent and that schools must notify parents of the option to make such a request and must comply with any request.

~Project YANO Sample Outreach Educational Tools
http://www.returningsoldiers.us/Yano.htm

Students Not Soldiers is a youth & student campaign against military recruitment in our schools.
Contact:
-Trent Moyer at AFSC:
202-299-1050 or trent@mutualaid.org
-John Judge at the Washington Peace Center
202-234-2000
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 04:27 PM
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23. Simple solution:
have the kid tell them a) he's gay, b) he has spina bifida, or c) he's morbidly obese. They'll stop calling.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 04:28 PM
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24. They got my friend's son
who just started his senior year of high school. He wants her to sign a form so he can sign up now (he's not 18 yet) and she said NO WAY. But once he turns 18, there will be nothing she can do. She's sick about it.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 04:35 PM
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26. Odd definition of Covert

I noticed a small advertisement in my local newspaper.

Real sneaky bastards, aren't they?


And who are they to try recruiting seniors out of high school? They certainly never did that when I was graduating 20+ years ago. Oh, sure, they sent recruiters to the school. And I did get letters from them every couple months. But that's different. For some reason.
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