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growlypants Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:23 PM
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HAS ANYONE ELSE HEARD THIS YET???
Ok, I was driving home from hell (work) tonight and heard that Condoleeza Rice (Sellout) was pressuring the Kurds to accept sharia (spelling) law in the new Iraq government which will give women LESS rights and impose religious LAW upon the entire citizenship of Iraq. Now, before we invaded this country, Iraq was NOT an Islamic government. Now they are. What in the hell have we done here, and why is Rice pressuring the Kurds to accept this????
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:25 PM
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1. Rice is pressuring them to get the constitution done, so we can
call the war a "success" and leave.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:27 PM
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8. we ain't going nowhere. eom.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 08:31 PM
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20. Right!! I should have phrased that "'leave' without leaving."
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:25 PM
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2. look on the list there is a dupe on it
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:25 PM
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3. It will be codified that a woman is "less" than a man.
Thanks, "W".
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:26 PM
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4. Because it's the path of least resistance
Regardless of it's the right thing or the wrong thing...it's just the easiest to get passed.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:26 PM
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5. My guess would be ...
if Iraq splits into three different countries, which is a possibility, there is no way in hell the Bushies could ever claim victory. They need everyone to agree on the Constitution ... though I suspect there will be an all-out civil war with or without it.
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:29 PM
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10. Civil war is inevitable is the opinion of many people in the know...
I've read a few articles and in fact they just had a whole segment on NPR about that inevitability.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:30 PM
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11. I think civil war is MORE likely if they put Sharia law in the constitutio
They've already made Islam the "official religion" of Iraq -- why can't they just allow people who are religious to abide by Sharia and those who aren't to go through secular courts? If I were a woman in Iraq, I'd be prompted to violence over this ...
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:27 PM
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6. They never intended to bring democracy to Iraq...
only Halliburton.
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A Simple Game Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:40 PM
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14. And they don't find anything wrong with religion,
as long as their people control the religion.
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Gronk Groks Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:53 PM
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16. Agreed, it was for the oil and corporate greed...
Edited on Fri Aug-19-05 07:53 PM by Gronk Groks
...definetly not for America.

Why does my blood boil whenever I say that....:nuke:
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:27 PM
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7. I heard it was one of the sticking points in the constitution
but not that anyone on behalf of the US was pressuring acceptance of Sharia law. The Kurds are going to be most against this, because they've had a very autonomous -- and I believe secular -- region for some time, even under Saddam. Are the Kurds majority Muslims, or are other faiths predominant in the north? I feel TERRIBLE for Iraqi women and I think it's particularly insidious to have a FEMALE Secretary of State advocating that ANY faction in Iraq give in on this point.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:41 PM
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15. She sold out her race
Edited on Fri Aug-19-05 07:42 PM by Horse with no Name
Why wouldn't she sell out her gender?

She is scum. Pure unadulterated scum.
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growlypants Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:28 PM
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9. So we ousted the Taliban in Afghanistan (supposedly) and
installed it in Iraq. That makes sense.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:30 PM
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12. The Taliban returned to Afghanistan ...
the "new Taliban" in Iraq is the evil twin that BushCo created! :eyes: :grr:

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:37 PM
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13. decision to trade women's rights for support from religious conservatives
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050818/iraqs_secondclass_citizens.php

Iraq's Second-Class Citizens

Yifat Susskind
August 18, 2005

Yifat Susskind is associate director of MADRE, an international women's human rights organization.

This week’s constitutional crisis in Baghdad demonstrates again that the Bush administration’s drive to recreate the Middle East in its own image is producing theocracy, not democracy, in Iraq. On Bush’s watch, Iraq’s once-secular government has been delivered to religious parties (Dawa and the Prime Minister’s Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq) that want Iraq to be ruled by Islamic law. In the provinces they control (which make up roughly half the country), Islamists have already imposed severe restrictions on the rights of women and religious minorities. Now, they are fighting to ensure that Iraq’s new constitution paves the way for the creation of an Islamic state.

Like religious fundamentalists in the United States and around the world, these parties use religion as a means of asserting a reactionary political agenda that begins with the subjugation of women within the family. That’s why the first battle over the new constitution concerns family status laws governing marriage, divorce and women's inheritance and property rights. The Islamists are pushing to replace Iraq’s current statutes—among the most progressive in the Middle East—with language that would subordinate women’s human rights to arbitrary interpretations of Islamic law.

The Bush administration bears direct responsibility for this crisis. Prior to the U.S. invasion in March 2003, Iraqi women in exile warned that religious extremists would step into any political vacuum created by the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. But rather than support Iraq’s formidable women’s movement and other democratic forces, the United States chose the politically expedient route of courting right-wing extremists. In summer 2003, Bush appointee Paul Bremmer—who headed the U.S. administration in Iraq—hand-picked several reactionary Muslim clerics to sit on the Iraqi Governing Council, empowering leaders with a stated commitment to restricting women's rights. Then, in the period leading up to this year’s election of the National Assembly, Bremer derailed a series of demands by Iraqi women's organizations, including calls to create a women's ministry; appoint women to the drafting committee of Iraq's interim constitution; guarantee that 40 percent of U.S. appointees were women; and pass laws codifying women's rights and criminalizing domestic violence, which has skyrocketed under U.S. occupation.

The administration’s decision to trade women's rights for support from religious conservatives has left Iraqi women worse off today under U.S. occupation then they were under the notoriously repressive regime of Saddam Hussein. The Ba'ath Party utilized women's rights only to consolidate its own power. Yet, for all its brutality, Saddam Hussein’s government guaranteed women’s rights to education, employment, freedom of movement, equal pay for equal work and universal day care, as well as the rights to inherit and own property, choose their own husbands, vote and hold public office. Ironically, these fundamental rights stand to be abolished in an Iraq “liberated” by the United States in the name of (among other things) promoting democracy.


..more..
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Gronk Groks Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 08:19 PM
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18. Since when has the Bush mis-administration cared...
...about women's rights ??? Let's be real, they want ALL women to be under the same control as Islamic Law gives Arab males. Arab or American women it makes no difference!

Any American woman who labors under the delusion that her lot will be any different than the women of Iraq is in for a rude awakening.
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marbuc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 08:08 PM
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17. Condi is not a sell out
She never had anything to sell in the first place.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 08:23 PM
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19. She is a sell out. She's selling us out.
She and they are putting us and our country in so much danger, but in their minds we are expendable once they have no more use for us. I keep wondering where they think they are going to exist once they destroy the world, but they don't seem to plan ahead that much.
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marbuc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 10:56 PM
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21. That is assuming she cared about us in the first place
She is not a sell out, just another neo-con fascinated by the game of American imperialism. Now, Colin Powell is a sell out, John McCain is a sell out. Condi not so much. Bush/Cheney is her meal ticket, and she never intended to let them down.
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